Originally posted by Lord.Bachus It seems quite some old timers returned back to WoW for the Draenor expansion, it might be the first expansion to grab that warcraft feeling (lore and setting) again after Vanilla,are you in for it?
Quite Lord.Bachus, quite true.
I'm becoming rather excited to see some good friends log back into the game. Yes, many will level to max, then get bored. However the rest will be exploring dungeons and raids. Blizz arguably creates the best dungeons in the business.
Anyway, seeya in game as I used to say back in the day...
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
I didn't miss any of the WoW releases, and was never disapointed, you can be sure I'll be in this one too.
Originally posted by Impacthound
Originally posted by kikosforever
I don't care anymore about WoW.
I can understand people actively hating WoW(because it's still passion for a series, just negatively), but if you don't care, why are you browsing and posting on a forum for it? lol
Very simple:
Some people just enjoy peeing in other people's cheerios, specially when there's no risk for them as they are safely hidden behind a computer screen. It's a bit like those guys who gank newbies in the game. It's so simple to behave like that when you have the Internet between you and the other person.
I don't understand why from a whole sentence some1 picks a small part and makes assumptions. The thread asks if i m in and I said that after 10 years and almost 10k hours played i don't care anymore about wow and i wont be in this time. Where exactly is the hate?
I also responded to Impact 2 posts before saying:
< When i say i don't care about a game, i mean i don't care enough in order to play it. I care for all mmo's either i play them or not and i m keeping an eye for news, updates etc. For example i still haven't played ESO or FFA but i follow them and maybe some time in the future i ll play them also.
Btw you don't have to browse their forums. Every article appears in the main page of mmorpg so you can see it without get in some specific forum >
Do you see any hate?
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Yep I pre-ordered a while back... Got my warrior to 90 using the pre-order boost and had to l2p. Then I finished leveling my DK, and my Rogue which was already leveled has been impatiently awaiting the action. I'm psyched!
Originally posted by Hawkster Ahhh.....no. Not in. Loved Vanilla.....BC was great.....but with all the dumbing down.....loss of talent trees, etc etc.....it has no hold on me anymore....sigh.
I know this is an old argument, but it's a true one... especially from someone that's had access to the WoD Beta since June (until it was recently shut down).
The talent trees themselves are actually more meaningful now and, in a way, much more complex. They made it simpler to understand, but what was simple about copying a sheet online and never touching talents again?
Speaking only from WoD experiences, nearly every time I logged in and at least ten times per did I changed my talents for each class I played. When I entered a dungeon? Switched my talents around. PvP? Again. World PvE? Once more. That roaming boss over there that I was familiar with? Picked up a specific ability that counters it.
Speaking from the past expansion, this is what I did with battlegrounds as well. Some battlegrounds I wanted one thing, others something on the same tier was much better for the situation. But this wasn't always the case, especially with specific classes where something was always found to be better.
This is why I hate the term "dumbing down." If something is easier to understand, it does not make it dumb. I've found that people actually use difficulty of understanding as a means to enable them to be "better" than others. This is an artificial skill as a whole, as seen by them losing that edge when it becomes "simple". Though when things become "simple", it usually is accompanied by things that give it more depth or additional gameplay.
Take for example Challenge Mode Dungeons. Heroic Progression (now Mythic) raids. Very few people managed to beat these when they were relevant. Yet many still scream "easy game!" because they don't look for difficulty themselves and tackle the easy stuff to give themselves ego boosts.
The "dumbing down" argument is definitely one of the worst ones. Especially when people talk about how the game has been dumbed down since vanilla. That's an absolute joke. Every class has way more skills than they did in Vanilla. The entire reason they keep pruning the skills is because they kept adding more and more.
WotLK was the pinnacle of ability bloat. I can't think of a single class that had more going on in Vanilla than it does now. Paladin's being the starkest contrast between the two.
They went from Auto-attack + using judgement to actually having abilities and resources to manage.
The only class that I can say might have a little bit of a complaint is warriors who no longer stance dance, but even then, if they're honest they usually switched stances to use one ability and then switch back. And to balance that out, they're getting a 4 spec (gladiator).
And yeah they removed dumb attributes like Hit and expertise, but in return there's 6 new ones. Again, "dumbing down" is the opposite of what's going on. Vanilla was actually really dumbed down compared to where the game is now - not to mention the content requiring so much more of players than it used to. Think about it. Why did people wipe on Gehennas in Molten Core? Because people didn't decurse. LOL one thing, one mechanic. Are you kidding me? Or running away on Baron Geddon when you're the bomb. Come on. Can you even believe raids used to wipe on that?
One thing that has become easier is heroic dungeons. That area of the game has left me wanting. I don't like that dungeons are just a stepping stone portion of the game now, something to play and discard. I wish they were part of the endgame where you wanted to spend time. I loved running undead strat and BRD. Or other sprawling dungeons like Mauradon, like you knew that when it was time to run Mauradon, you were going to spend a day doing it. By the time you got your party, everyone spent 30 minutes to get to the dungeon and then you started going through the wings it was a real trek. So in this regard, I will say WoW has let the ball drop. But they've added lots of balls to everything else!
Unless they increase the overall difficulty of the game, I will never re-join that tab-targetting & raid pugging game. Yesterday, a friend of mine logged in for the first time in 1 year, one of his friends said: "Wanna pug 25-man Siege of Orgraimmar HC?" and he said "sure".
They downed 4 bosses before 1 wipe on trash disbanded the group
For someone like me, this suggests serious problems: 1st, the content is not difficult enough if 4 bosses on the hardest mode available can be PUGGED?
2nd: One wipe on trahs on its a disband? Comeon, thats just pathetic. Even if I did PuGs in TBC, we would still wipe a 1000 times before disbanding if he had downed more than 1 boss.
The game has lost its hardcoreness and is now more casual-friendly than Hello Kitty Online and together with that, it has lost the community that I like to play with. A community that strives for achievements that are difficult to obtain and dont give up or flame because of 1 single wipe on trash.
I'm not hardcore, but looking for a good laid back guild on Saurfang (Oceanic).
That's the one thing I haven't had in WoW for far too long and I think I would have more fun. The reason I'm still in ESO is because I love my guild (I love Elder Scrolls, too, but Zeni is having problems these days and I have a wary eye on them).
Not yet, first work and family. Will try to logg in tonite, Eu-server. Im prepared for lagg and lagg and endless queues. But thats how it should be on a new release.
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus It seems quite some old timers returned back to WoW for the Draenor expansion, it might be the first expansion to grab that warcraft feeling (lore and setting) again after Vanilla,are you in for it?
I have no problem with any expansion. They were ALL great. All had something innovative or presented in new way. Still even after played for several hours Wod ... maybe WOTLK remain my favorite, not even sure why.
Yes, I was "in", and now am back "out" again. Never in all my gaming years have I found such a frustratingly linear gaming experience. Cutscenes, phasing, being led from quest to quest. Quests that are set up in "chapters". Huh? Is this a story or a world? The game is like an interactive trailer in a sense. I could not bear to get through this with one toon, much less all of them.
What puzzles me is how some people enjoy this form of gameplay, but this expac has cured me of WOW forever. I'm NEVER going back.
Did you make it out of Tanaan Jungle? The intro experience there takes about 25 minutes, and is about 24 quests. Once you escape that scenario and establish your garrison, Frostfire Ridge(or Shadowmoon Valley if you're Alliance) is an open ended experience.
It sounds like you didn't finish that introductory experience and if you don't like it, believe me when I say you're not hand-holded like that through the rest of the expac. It just sets the mood. The vast majority of the zones are open-ended, finding random quests in the middle of nowhere and hunting rare spawns.
Yes, I was "in", and now am back "out" again. Never in all my gaming years have I found such a frustratingly linear gaming experience. Cutscenes, phasing, being led from quest to quest. Quests that are set up in "chapters". Huh? Is this a story or a world? The game is like an interactive trailer in a sense. I could not bear to get through this with one toon, much less all of them.
What puzzles me is how some people enjoy this form of gameplay, but this expac has cured me of WOW forever. I'm NEVER going back.
Cataclysm was the exact same way, lots of cut-scenes and phasing, linear quest-lines that you had to do in exact order otherwise you couldn't advance to the quests in the next area. What exactly were you expecting from a WoW x-pac? Also, it's been live for a total of 8 hours now and you've given up on it already?
Cutscenes, phasing, being led from quest to quest. Quests that are set up in "chapters". Huh? Is this a story or a world? The game is like an interactive trailer in a sense
i have to try WOD for myself next year but phasing is a big turnoff for me
Quests are also phased in high quantities, making the phasing of The Elder Scrolls Online look almost nonexistent. This, as I mentioned in the first part this series, is where my wife and I were functionally blocked from progressing together, which was also around the time that she clocked out entirely because she just wasn't having fun. (I wasn't either, but I wanted to be fair.)
No. I learned to accept that the game I liked wasn't around anymore and even if they've brought back the old stomping grounds (sort of) it's still not going to be what I want. They say that you can never go home again, here's a proof of that saying.
Yes, I was "in", and now am back "out" again. Never in all my gaming years have I found such a frustratingly linear gaming experience. Cutscenes, phasing, being led from quest to quest. Quests that are set up in "chapters". Huh? Is this a story or a world? The game is like an interactive trailer in a sense. I could not bear to get through this with one toon, much less all of them.
What puzzles me is how some people enjoy this form of gameplay, but this expac has cured me of WOW forever. I'm NEVER going back.
Cataclysm was the exact same way, lots of cut-scenes and phasing, linear quest-lines that you had to do in exact order otherwise you couldn't advance to the quests in the next area. What exactly were you expecting from a WoW x-pac? Also, it's been live for a total of 8 hours now and you've given up on it already?
I asked, in open chat, other folks whether the game opened up, and they all said "no." So, yes, after and hour or two of playing, and with the thought that it wasn't going to change, I logged off. I've played this game for 10 years, I don't need my hand held any longer.
I have had the opposite happen to me. I have been able to travel where I want and the quest hubs are split up so much that I'm kinda confused about where everything is! I'm usually pretty good at directions, but I feel all turned around and not in a bad way.
It took me an hour or two just to get to my Garrison, so I hope you at least gave that a chance. imho WoW can lose archeology and put all the effort into the Garrison and followers. To me it's tied the Warcraft that my kids grew up with into WoW. It is actually very fun and is worth the expansion cost itself.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Too many other games to play right now, but Garrisons are indeed the new feature that will make me try this expansion sooner or later, at this rate I'll be checking it out sometime next spring. Though I have to say, without Garrisons I doubt I'd try it at any point, so good job Blizzard for adding in something new and fresh yet nostalgic!
"Are you in?" NO! I'm trying to get back in. After playing some this morning, this broken down old game some have called it, has a 1k queue! I have been waiting for 45 minutes with another 20 to go.
Be prepared if you are heading home from work expecting to jump into the game. Right when you walk in the door fire it up!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
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Quite Lord.Bachus, quite true.
I'm becoming rather excited to see some good friends log back into the game. Yes, many will level to max, then get bored. However the rest will be exploring dungeons and raids. Blizz arguably creates the best dungeons in the business.
Anyway, seeya in game as I used to say back in the day...
Alyn
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
I don't understand why from a whole sentence some1 picks a small part and makes assumptions. The thread asks if i m in and I said that after 10 years and almost 10k hours played i don't care anymore about wow and i wont be in this time. Where exactly is the hate?
I also responded to Impact 2 posts before saying:
< When i say i don't care about a game, i mean i don't care enough in order to play it. I care for all mmo's either i play them or not and i m keeping an eye for news, updates etc. For example i still haven't played ESO or FFA but i follow them and maybe some time in the future i ll play them also.
Btw you don't have to browse their forums. Every article appears in the main page of mmorpg so you can see it without get in some specific forum
>
Do you see any hate?
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Playing Now: WoW, ESO, GW2
I'm coming back for 2-4 weeks like I did for every expansion. Tell me what you want, questing and storyline is always top notch in WoW..
The "dumbing down" argument is definitely one of the worst ones. Especially when people talk about how the game has been dumbed down since vanilla. That's an absolute joke. Every class has way more skills than they did in Vanilla. The entire reason they keep pruning the skills is because they kept adding more and more.
WotLK was the pinnacle of ability bloat. I can't think of a single class that had more going on in Vanilla than it does now. Paladin's being the starkest contrast between the two.
They went from Auto-attack + using judgement to actually having abilities and resources to manage.
The only class that I can say might have a little bit of a complaint is warriors who no longer stance dance, but even then, if they're honest they usually switched stances to use one ability and then switch back. And to balance that out, they're getting a 4 spec (gladiator).
And yeah they removed dumb attributes like Hit and expertise, but in return there's 6 new ones. Again, "dumbing down" is the opposite of what's going on. Vanilla was actually really dumbed down compared to where the game is now - not to mention the content requiring so much more of players than it used to. Think about it. Why did people wipe on Gehennas in Molten Core? Because people didn't decurse. LOL one thing, one mechanic. Are you kidding me? Or running away on Baron Geddon when you're the bomb. Come on. Can you even believe raids used to wipe on that?
One thing that has become easier is heroic dungeons. That area of the game has left me wanting. I don't like that dungeons are just a stepping stone portion of the game now, something to play and discard. I wish they were part of the endgame where you wanted to spend time. I loved running undead strat and BRD. Or other sprawling dungeons like Mauradon, like you knew that when it was time to run Mauradon, you were going to spend a day doing it. By the time you got your party, everyone spent 30 minutes to get to the dungeon and then you started going through the wings it was a real trek. So in this regard, I will say WoW has let the ball drop. But they've added lots of balls to everything else!
That's a pretty low standard to set yourself. It won't last.
Unless they increase the overall difficulty of the game, I will never re-join that tab-targetting & raid pugging game. Yesterday, a friend of mine logged in for the first time in 1 year, one of his friends said: "Wanna pug 25-man Siege of Orgraimmar HC?" and he said "sure".
They downed 4 bosses before 1 wipe on trash disbanded the group
For someone like me, this suggests serious problems: 1st, the content is not difficult enough if 4 bosses on the hardest mode available can be PUGGED?
2nd: One wipe on trahs on its a disband? Comeon, thats just pathetic. Even if I did PuGs in TBC, we would still wipe a 1000 times before disbanding if he had downed more than 1 boss.
The game has lost its hardcoreness and is now more casual-friendly than Hello Kitty Online and together with that, it has lost the community that I like to play with. A community that strives for achievements that are difficult to obtain and dont give up or flame because of 1 single wipe on trash.
I'm not hardcore, but looking for a good laid back guild on Saurfang (Oceanic).
That's the one thing I haven't had in WoW for far too long and I think I would have more fun. The reason I'm still in ESO is because I love my guild (I love Elder Scrolls, too, but Zeni is having problems these days and I have a wary eye on them).
its 80 min on queue, because my dad, out of all the time he have in this world, decided to bitch about life all of a sudden just when WoD is live
see you all tonight!
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I have no problem with any expansion. They were ALL great. All had something innovative or presented in new way. Still even after played for several hours Wod ... maybe WOTLK remain my favorite, not even sure why.
I'm in.
After the steaming pile of crap I've tried recently (ESO,Archeage,GW2), it's nice to have fun again.
EDIT: typo
Did you make it out of Tanaan Jungle? The intro experience there takes about 25 minutes, and is about 24 quests. Once you escape that scenario and establish your garrison, Frostfire Ridge(or Shadowmoon Valley if you're Alliance) is an open ended experience.
It sounds like you didn't finish that introductory experience and if you don't like it, believe me when I say you're not hand-holded like that through the rest of the expac. It just sets the mood. The vast majority of the zones are open-ended, finding random quests in the middle of nowhere and hunting rare spawns.
I'm IN!
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Cataclysm was the exact same way, lots of cut-scenes and phasing, linear quest-lines that you had to do in exact order otherwise you couldn't advance to the quests in the next area. What exactly were you expecting from a WoW x-pac? Also, it's been live for a total of 8 hours now and you've given up on it already?
i have to try WOD for myself next year but phasing is a big turnoff for me
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/07/23/wows-warlords-of-draenor-beta-questing-mechanics-and-concern/
Quests are also phased in high quantities, making the phasing of The Elder Scrolls Online look almost nonexistent. This, as I mentioned in the first part this series, is where my wife and I were functionally blocked from progressing together, which was also around the time that she clocked out entirely because she just wasn't having fun. (I wasn't either, but I wanted to be fair.)
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hmm, Dumb and Dumber to and Interstellar are out, but I can see both movies. You can probably handle playing more than one game at a time!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I have had the opposite happen to me. I have been able to travel where I want and the quest hubs are split up so much that I'm kinda confused about where everything is! I'm usually pretty good at directions, but I feel all turned around and not in a bad way.
It took me an hour or two just to get to my Garrison, so I hope you at least gave that a chance. imho WoW can lose archeology and put all the effort into the Garrison and followers. To me it's tied the Warcraft that my kids grew up with into WoW. It is actually very fun and is worth the expansion cost itself.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
"Are you in?" NO! I'm trying to get back in. After playing some this morning, this broken down old game some have called it, has a 1k queue! I have been waiting for 45 minutes with another 20 to go.
Be prepared if you are heading home from work expecting to jump into the game. Right when you walk in the door fire it up!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Nope.
And you are not much "in" either, OP, judging by the amount of threads you are starting here vs playing the actual game...
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/423531/Are-you-in.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/423631/It-feels-like-i-am-playing-a-Blizzard-game.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/423413/Garissons.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/423396/So-if-i-pre-order-now.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/423295/Choosing-a-server-for-WoD.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/423256/Server-full-and-locked-500-queues.html