So the #1 subscription game is still #1? This is news. :P Though it IS kind've impressive that a site that is known to hate WoW had such positive things to say about the expansion in another thread. Some 100+ comments with all of them being positive at the date I accessed such.
That aside, I was a bit perturbed by some posts on here about someone saying the same thing over and over again with each response. "Blind fanboy this, do your research that." Yet, he always avoided answering questions, and used a common sense statement to create the delusion in his mind that he was some how correct.
Though I'm not upset about the -- in my opinion -- childish tactic to use the fact that all things devalue in time to presumably give himself an ego boost or to carry his further statements that everyone is blind and don't do their research, it's that it was quite apparent the man doesn't even know what research is on the academic level. What being trained as a qualified researcher bestows upon someone is enabling them to avoid the base human nature of putting your fingers to your ears and pretending you know what you're talking about; blissfully ignoring responses with rhetoric will only hurting your cause. In this case, you aggressively repeated the same information, cited sources that aren't peer reviewed by an authority and spoke insults such as "blind fanboy" in each "retort".
There is a lot of work that extends beyond looking on wikipedia for a website or clicking on a random website that is found on the internet. You find a source? You identify that source. You identify that source's source. You identify that source's source's source. You do no stop until there is no more trail to follow and you find where it originates from. Is the point of origination a primary source? An authority on the matter that was there, has the facts or a reasonable hypothesis based on first hand discoveries or witness to such thereof? Even when you find the end of the trail, you try to find other places with the same data that leads to a credible primary source over and over again. It's at that point, when you can reasonable cite at least five different sources that lead to one point or to five credible origin points that you can reasonably place something down as "it might be true." Then a colleague of the same field will peer review it themselves. And so on and so forth. That one statement that there was a blue flower growing in a field on a specific day? That better be backed by months of research. It should also be written that there was very likely, due to your research, a chance that it grew if you yourself didn't see it and not simply stated as fact. Academic research is serious business and it's an absolute duty and responsibility of our researchers to maintain extensive proof not only for yourself, but for future generations who may use you as a source. This is why some call the Internet the Dark Days of Mass Information. No matter what, lies are more powerful than the truth. If you say something often enough, people will start believing it. Mob mentality also plays a factor. This I think, is something that you believe you're advocating against. That people say something so much and overwhelm naysayers. But pride and a bias nature are also enemies of research; human nature and the mob mentality to hate what is popular or just to argue for the sake of arguing and make false assessments, saying that research has been done.
This is why we have no true sources other than the companies themselves, as well as investor calls to which it is illegal to lie within. Why no one could pinpoint the numbers of ESO or Wildstar if they do not come out and say it themselves. Why people speak of programs that track game use or even get tricked into going to sites -- such as yourself -- thinking it's conducting research and that they're a reliable source that has gone through the trials and tribulations of actual research when information is fairly dry as a whole due to the nature of business and this multi-billion currency industry.
This is the internet. These are forum posts. Let's not get into the trap of saying "do your research" and only responding to questions by repeating the same things over and over again and linking a site that has no true credibility in a time when it's hard to acquire such publicly. We all say wrong things, we all get lazy (many of us -- myself included -- don't even care about grammar or structure in forum posts; it's a rare thing for me to proof read, and I even alter sentences half way, without editing thereafter to make it flow). Using "fact" in a lazy way and on the internet is fine, but when you start asking others do to do their research, then be ready for your own to be called into question and your "fact" shown for what it is. Folly. Rhetoric. Drivel. Incitement. Poppycock. It seems to me like you were just relying on people to be lazy (preying on them)-- or knew that there are no true sources out there aside from primary ones (from the source, or in this case Blizzard Entertainment) that are further investigated for fraud after each investor call thereafter -- as you posted such (which isn't indicative of a proper post, in my opinion). You're just using everything you can to set yourself up, in your mind, to be "correct" because fact is things decay in time. Your posts offered nothing but potential insults in every comment by others "Blind Fanboys". It is therefore highly likely that you're just trolling people; this is an assertion of my own opinion as written in this post. Your posts are doing nothing but agitating people as they have no real content. One post would have been fine and of your own opinion, but you have made many with nothing new to say, just belittling others and spouting rhetoric without answering questions that arise.
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Interesting figures, as they imply WoW's decline was quite significant. 3.3 mil on top of the last quoted subscription base, indicates its returning/new players buying the expansion. Otherwise they'd not reach 10+ mil. Clearly this wouldn't be the case, leading to the vast majority of the declared 10+ mil are with in the Asian region and the pre-expansion NA/EU was below 2 mil. It also evidences Blizzard are playing with numbers, which aren't a true representation.
Shuffeling 3 mil compies of their latest expansion... I would call that doing very well.
WE all know that WoW will never reach back up to the 12 mil it had at it´s peak. But that does not take away that they just sold a metric do-ton of games... Even if these new/returning people only stay for a month or two... Blizzard have secured the money needed to make the next expansion...
Face it.... Warlords of Draenor is a runaway success so far sales wise and we will see in 30-ish days how good the retention is.
I wouldn't be so sure, I think WoW might hit the 12million mark again. The hype in the west is still pretty damn strong, people are enjoying it, except us Shamans, we hate it.
These numbers are from 11/13/14, WoD released in China yesterday. So going by mmorpg.com logic since China is almost all WoW "subs", we could see potential numbers near 20million.
I know my sarcasm will be wasted on a few, however I do firmly believe we could see a new peak.
Extremely unlikely seeing as WoW dropped consistently in subs from 2009 to 2014 with 1 exception being a rise in 2011 before falling again despite its expansions on the past.
If you were trying to forecast future results on wows past data, it would be that the decline will continue despite expansions as it has done since 2009.
Also it being at 7.5 million subs at the start of 2014, the lowest its ever had, sure its had a boost from WoD but we have yet to see the 6 monthely figures for that cuz WoD is new but if you base it on what happened on the last 2 expansions, 6 monthes after the expansion release, the number of subs were less than pre expansion.
I didn't mention anything about retention, I said peak. Screw past data, WoD is not MoP and it isn't Cata. Unless Blizzard again cuts WoW's team in half they should be able to hit a new peak. Yes that number will drop, it happens. However it has a strong chance at breaking its 12million mark back in Wrath. We still have Asia numbers to add.
To say it is extremely unlikely means you're just hoping for it to fail, we have week old numbers on a new release. Asia hasn't been added to the mix yet. A new peak for WoW is well within Blizzards grasp. Unless you fail at understanding trends.
Very unlikely. Name one MMO that had retained their subs from a launch. And WoW's peak was when they pretty much had a monopoly of the market which the reality is that the market is very competitive. More so with each coming year.
Name one MMO that was able to ADD 3million+ subscribers from only part of their region in a week?
How bout SWTOR, GW2, ESO, and Wildstar?
Their launches had similar sales.
You know full well he said ADD meaning not initial launch but from a co tent patch or expansioin, ADDing to an existing player base.
Who cares??? Not a single one of those games sold 3 million in a week.
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There's a graph on MMOchampions front page that shows wow subscribers throughout all of wow. It's pretty cool. The WOD increase is very dramatic, much larger than any expansion, which could explain why Blizzard truly wasn't prepared for overcrowded servers.
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Funnt, i use to like Wow but mist of pandaria put a bad taste in my mouth. WotLK all ready was killing it for my friends and my self, then that expansion came out. I read a lot on the new one and was going to rejoin until i noticed the insta lvl 90 for 60 bucks in their cash shop. I try to avoid games like that, it does not "ruin" the game per say but it does get a lot of newbs behind the lvl 90 group and last game i played that did that ended badly.
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In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
In 3 monthes, wows subscribers will drop again dramatically like it has done for every expansion since cataclysm.
And you'll still be posting about it on this account or one of your other 3 or 4 alt accounts lol. Gotta love WoW, game's so addictive that even the haters can't stop talking about it.
And soon we all be playing EQN with at least 20 mill subs.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
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I wonder how many are actually ACTIVE subscribers...
Everyone who ever paid like 7 cent in a chinese internet cafe for an hour-based account that never expires is an active subscriber... something like that.
I wonder how many are actually ACTIVE subscribers...
Everyone who ever paid like 7 cent in a chinese internet cafe for an hour-based account that never expires is an active subscriber... something like that.
Actually, they had to have played within the last 30 days.
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At a time when "x million registered users" is a point of bragging for an MMO, 3.3 million people paid $49.99 (or currency equivalent) to play WoD. In this super saturated market that is a feat no other MMO will probably reach which is why WoW will always be the anomaly.
Will a chunk break off after they have eaten through the content? Yep, like every other content based game or MMO. Still, WoW is the most expensive sub game if you don't consider the CS. Up until the release of WoD one had to pay for each previous expansion and a monthly sub. I wonder if the new side activities and condensed buy-in price can hold more subs long term.
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So the #1 subscription game is still #1? This is news. :P Though it IS kind've impressive that a site that is known to hate WoW had such positive things to say about the expansion in another thread. Some 100+ comments with all of them being positive at the date I accessed such.
That aside, I was a bit perturbed by some posts on here about someone saying the same thing over and over again with each response. "Blind fanboy this, do your research that." Yet, he always avoided answering questions, and used a common sense statement to create the delusion in his mind that he was some how correct.
Though I'm not upset about the -- in my opinion -- childish tactic to use the fact that all things devalue in time to presumably give himself an ego boost or to carry his further statements that everyone is blind and don't do their research, it's that it was quite apparent the man doesn't even know what research is on the academic level. What being trained as a qualified researcher bestows upon someone is enabling them to avoid the base human nature of putting your fingers to your ears and pretending you know what you're talking about; blissfully ignoring responses with rhetoric will only hurting your cause. In this case, you aggressively repeated the same information, cited sources that aren't peer reviewed by an authority and spoke insults such as "blind fanboy" in each "retort".
There is a lot of work that extends beyond looking on wikipedia for a website or clicking on a random website that is found on the internet. You find a source? You identify that source. You identify that source's source. You identify that source's source's source. You do no stop until there is no more trail to follow and you find where it originates from. Is the point of origination a primary source? An authority on the matter that was there, has the facts or a reasonable hypothesis based on first hand discoveries or witness to such thereof? Even when you find the end of the trail, you try to find other places with the same data that leads to a credible primary source over and over again. It's at that point, when you can reasonable cite at least five different sources that lead to one point or to five credible origin points that you can reasonably place something down as "it might be true." Then a colleague of the same field will peer review it themselves. And so on and so forth. That one statement that there was a blue flower growing in a field on a specific day? That better be backed by months of research. It should also be written that there was very likely, due to your research, a chance that it grew if you yourself didn't see it and not simply stated as fact. Academic research is serious business and it's an absolute duty and responsibility of our researchers to maintain extensive proof not only for yourself, but for future generations who may use you as a source. This is why some call the Internet the Dark Days of Mass Information. No matter what, lies are more powerful than the truth. If you say something often enough, people will start believing it. Mob mentality also plays a factor. This I think, is something that you believe you're advocating against. That people say something so much and overwhelm naysayers. But pride and a bias nature are also enemies of research; human nature and the mob mentality to hate what is popular or just to argue for the sake of arguing and make false assessments, saying that research has been done.
This is why we have no true sources other than the companies themselves, as well as investor calls to which it is illegal to lie within. Why no one could pinpoint the numbers of ESO or Wildstar if they do not come out and say it themselves. Why people speak of programs that track game use or even get tricked into going to sites -- such as yourself -- thinking it's conducting research and that they're a reliable source that has gone through the trials and tribulations of actual research when information is fairly dry as a whole due to the nature of business and this multi-billion currency industry.
This is the internet. These are forum posts. Let's not get into the trap of saying "do your research" and only responding to questions by repeating the same things over and over again and linking a site that has no true credibility in a time when it's hard to acquire such publicly. We all say wrong things, we all get lazy (many of us -- myself included -- don't even care about grammar or structure in forum posts; it's a rare thing for me to proof read, and I even alter sentences half way, without editing thereafter to make it flow). Using "fact" in a lazy way and on the internet is fine, but when you start asking others do to do their research, then be ready for your own to be called into question and your "fact" shown for what it is. Folly. Rhetoric. Drivel. Incitement. Poppycock. It seems to me like you were just relying on people to be lazy (preying on them)-- or knew that there are no true sources out there aside from primary ones (from the source, or in this case Blizzard Entertainment) that are further investigated for fraud after each investor call thereafter -- as you posted such (which isn't indicative of a proper post, in my opinion). You're just using everything you can to set yourself up, in your mind, to be "correct" because fact is things decay in time. Your posts offered nothing but potential insults in every comment by others "Blind Fanboys". It is therefore highly likely that you're just trolling people; this is an assertion of my own opinion as written in this post. Your posts are doing nothing but agitating people as they have no real content. One post would have been fine and of your own opinion, but you have made many with nothing new to say, just belittling others and spouting rhetoric without answering questions that arise.
"Warlords of Draenor releases in South Korea, mainland China, Taiwan, and Macau today, which may add to the pool of subscribers. "
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Gratz on them.
As for the 'doom & gloom' chaps that say 'Do your research..'
Why? All I need to do is play a game to see whether or not I like it.
I do? I stay.
I don't? I leave.
The amounts of F&^% given on the number of subscribers it has is about the numbers of stars in the universe multiplied by zero.
What you said! I'm just playing and having fun. It doesn't matter how many it sold to me. Why do people bicker about something they can't change?
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Who cares??? Not a single one of those games sold 3 million in a week.
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They have 10 million subscribers?
I wonder how many are actually ACTIVE subscribers...
My only point was that this happens with every expansion.
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Yup, this is exactly correct. CM's were hinting that they had planned for a pop increase but this was far beyond what they expected.
From everything I've seen about EQN, it seems awful...
It was clearly sarcasm.
Yes. But why would aliens travel many light years to get to Earth just to mess WoD launch?
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Everyone who ever paid like 7 cent in a chinese internet cafe for an hour-based account that never expires is an active subscriber... something like that.
Actually, they had to have played within the last 30 days.
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Will a chunk break off after they have eaten through the content? Yep, like every other content based game or MMO. Still, WoW is the most expensive sub game if you don't consider the CS. Up until the release of WoD one had to pay for each previous expansion and a monthly sub. I wonder if the new side activities and condensed buy-in price can hold more subs long term.
You nailed it.
It is very well known that in a P2P game
players pay a sub and then stay inactive.
I don't understand the numbers I guess 3.3 million folks bought the game and 6.7 million didn't ?