Is it better then Cata? Yes, levelling experience wise
Is it better then MOP? Yes, levelling experience wise
Is it the best expansion eva? No, not by a long shot, it peaks very early and then becomes tedious.
The reviewer is still overcome with garrison hype. The game has the same grind and tedium it had before, just behind the, 'garrison', wall rather then the dailies or key grind wall.
The garrison is the only real new feature in this expansion and it's fun at first but then it becomes the same old wow format, 'need this, to grind this, for this most benefit, which is best for pvp/raiding'. That of course takes rather a while to get while the new dungeons are okay but not amazing.
The levelling experience is great, (although the story forgets it's principal characters at times), but after that it's the same old WoW.
I've played WoW for years, this is the first expansion I've quit after two weeks, why? Lack of investment or caring for the rest of it. For me WoW has run out of tricks and just doesn't, 'do it', for me anymore.
These points are just what keeps me from going back to WoW for WoD. I bought the addon, got a gametimecard and was ready to jump right in when something said "wait a few weeks..."
At first i was amazed by the seemingly overall coherent concept of garrisons, but on a second look it looks like nothing more but a grindy browsergame which you will have to play over and over again the same way for every character. Something that was fabricated to keep players logging in and harvest their herbs every day to make sure WoW won't lose subs at lightspeed like MoP did.
I played many alts back then and i'm not sure garrisons are fun doing them the third time. The other addons gave me various pathes to go and routes to chose for every character, but WoD seems to be all garrison for every one of them.
Since i don't play atm, of course i can't speak of first hand experience and might be wrong here, but this is how it looks to me after having followed WoD closely since launch.
It's not so much that some random dude on the forums is not pleased, it's 23 pages of people saying the samethings.
Oh look bc going through his daily WoW forum scan. No agenda in this guy staying "it's 23 pages of people saying the same thing" when in FACT it's a combination of people agreeing and disagreeing with the OP. But hey why tell the truth right? That would hurt your agenda...
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To put your link into perspective there are 450 post on it. Most are post from the same people. So for fun we will say 200 original posters. I'll even give you 3/4 are negative just for fun and because well that's what wow forums are. That means out of 10,000,000 people you are claiming that because 150 (this is probably high) are negative in one post you found while doing your forum daily that the entire community feels this way and it's proof about how the game A GAME YOU DONT PLAY is?
Is it better then Cata? Yes, levelling experience wise
Is it better then MOP? Yes, levelling experience wise
Is it the best expansion eva? No, not by a long shot, it peaks very early and then becomes tedious.
The reviewer is still overcome with garrison hype. The game has the same grind and tedium it had before, just behind the, 'garrison', wall rather then the dailies or key grind wall.
The garrison is the only real new feature in this expansion and it's fun at first but then it becomes the same old wow format, 'need this, to grind this, for this most benefit, which is best for pvp/raiding'. That of course takes rather a while to get while the new dungeons are okay but not amazing.
The levelling experience is great, (although the story forgets it's principal characters at times), but after that it's the same old WoW.
I've played WoW for years, this is the first expansion I've quit after two weeks, why? Lack of investment or caring for the rest of it. For me WoW has run out of tricks and just doesn't, 'do it', for me anymore.
These points are just what keeps me from going back to WoW for WoD. I bought the addon, got a gametimecard and was ready to jump right in when something said "wait a few weeks..."
At first i was amazed by the seemingly overall coherent concept of garrisons, but on a second look it looks like nothing more but a grindy browsergame which you will have to play over and over again the same way for every character. Something that was fabricated to keep players logging in and harvest their herbs every day to make sure WoW won't lose subs at lightspeed like MoP did.
I played many alts back then and i'm not sure garrisons are fun doing them the third time. The other addons gave me various pathes to go and routes to chose for every character, but WoD seems to be all garrison for every one of them.
Since i don't play atm, of course i can't speak of first hand experience and might be wrong here, but this is how it looks to me after having followed WoD closely since launch.
It's not so much that some random dude on the forums is not pleased, it's 23 pages of people saying the samethings.
You know same thing happens to just any MMO including ESO? i don't know if you even realise the irony in your posts when you point out such specifics with regards to WOW. It amazes me really.
Just to point out further the hypocricy in the above post i just checked ESO and how soon people got fed up of it and i didn't even have to try too hard..
Just to point out further the hypocricy in the above post i just checked ESO and how soon people got fed up of it and i didn't even have to try too hard..
Is it better then Cata? Yes, levelling experience wise
Is it better then MOP? Yes, levelling experience wise
Is it the best expansion eva? No, not by a long shot, it peaks very early and then becomes tedious.
The reviewer is still overcome with garrison hype. The game has the same grind and tedium it had before, just behind the, 'garrison', wall rather then the dailies or key grind wall.
The garrison is the only real new feature in this expansion and it's fun at first but then it becomes the same old wow format, 'need this, to grind this, for this most benefit, which is best for pvp/raiding'. That of course takes rather a while to get while the new dungeons are okay but not amazing.
The levelling experience is great, (although the story forgets it's principal characters at times), but after that it's the same old WoW.
I've played WoW for years, this is the first expansion I've quit after two weeks, why? Lack of investment or caring for the rest of it. For me WoW has run out of tricks and just doesn't, 'do it', for me anymore.
These points are just what keeps me from going back to WoW for WoD. I bought the addon, got a gametimecard and was ready to jump right in when something said "wait a few weeks..."
At first i was amazed by the seemingly overall coherent concept of garrisons, but on a second look it looks like nothing more but a grindy browsergame which you will have to play over and over again the same way for every character. Something that was fabricated to keep players logging in and harvest their herbs every day to make sure WoW won't lose subs at lightspeed like MoP did.
I played many alts back then and i'm not sure garrisons are fun doing them the third time. The other addons gave me various pathes to go and routes to chose for every character, but WoD seems to be all garrison for every one of them.
Since i don't play atm, of course i can't speak of first hand experience and might be wrong here, but this is how it looks to me after having followed WoD closely since launch.
It's not so much that some random dude on the forums is not pleased, it's 23 pages of people saying the samethings.
You know same thing happens to just any MMO including ESO? i don't know if you even realise the irony in your posts when you point out such specifics with regards to WOW. It amazes me really.
No, no it doesn't. Even if it did how would that excuse WoD?
As far as ESO if a post was made about bugs or AoE caps are bad, yeah you will get pages of people agreeing. You know why? It's true! You just don't see threads about people being disappointed with the content and bored, let alone post after post agreeing.
No, no it doesn't. Even if it did how would that excuse WoD?
As far as ESO if a post was made about bugs or AoE caps are bad, yeah you will get pages of people agreeing. You know why? You just don't see threads about people being disappointed with the content and bored, let alone post after post agreeing.
yeah i will go with Kitarad about 'selective memory' thing.
There are multiple threads of people getting bored of ESO, nothing do with bugs..just getting bored of content. I infact even linked to one of that topic. There are many more..you really want me to spam the forums with links after links?
These points are just what keeps me from going back to WoW for WoD. I bought the addon, got a gametimecard and was ready to jump right in when something said "wait a few weeks..."
At first i was amazed by the seemingly overall coherent concept of garrisons, but on a second look it looks like nothing more but a grindy browsergame which you will have to play over and over again the same way for every character. Something that was fabricated to keep players logging in and harvest their herbs every day to make sure WoW won't lose subs at lightspeed like MoP did.
I played many alts back then and i'm not sure garrisons are fun doing them the third time. The other addons gave me various pathes to go and routes to chose for every character, but WoD seems to be all garrison for every one of them.
Since i don't play atm, of course i can't speak of first hand experience and might be wrong here, but this is how it looks to me after having followed WoD closely since launch.
It's not so much that some random dude on the forums is not pleased, it's 23 pages of people saying the samethings.
You know same thing happens to just any MMO including ESO? i don't know if you even realise the irony in your posts when you point out such specifics with regards to WOW. It amazes me really.
No, no it doesn't. Even if it did how would that excuse WoD?
As far as ESO if a post was made about bugs or AoE caps are bad, yeah you will get pages of people agreeing. You know why? It's true! You just don't see threads about people being disappointed with the content and bored, let alone post after post agreeing.
Now it's no shocker you completly skipped linking this thread...it would have not helped your agenda....whatever that is...
now we all know you don't actually read the links you post "23 pages of people saying the same thing" when in FACT IT WAS people agreeing and disagreeing with the op. But IF you did read the thread I linked you would see phrases like
"Oh wow a positive post on the forum"
"better get ready for the down votes on a positive thread"
you see this illustrates what you should know from doing your forum daily quest that the WoW forums lean majority NEGATIVE and you posting links with maybe 150 people crying doesn't prove crap...except YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME YOU ARE FAILING AT DAILY TRYINY TO BASH!
What I do not like about this expansion is the quests. WoW came back to the usual formula of "kill x of that, collect x of that." You do the same thing in different areas of one zone, and then progress to the other. If we compare WoD quests to MoP quests, it's like day and night. Don't get me wrong, WoW always had these kinds of quests, but MoP has a variety of quests that felt really different, interesting, memorable and contributed much to the story. I still remember the agents and assembling the picture with Cho in Jade Forrest, training to be a kung-fu badass and exterminating pests in the Valley, washing Yaks at the Yak wash, and helping fight off hozen off the caravans in Kun-Lai... It was an adventure. WoD is all about war, killing, collecting artifacts that were lost or stolen, closing demon gates, and guess what, a final scenario in each zone where you need to slaughter 60 orcs. It's not a good first time experience for me.
For me, WoD is quickly loosing its shine.... quickly.
Garrisons I don't like the concept as its just turned into private instances of solitude lobbies while waiting for queues and a time sink of maintenance instead of putting in quality content in the world. Between a few toons one easily spends at least an hour without even playing the game between the daily mining and weed pulling of private mine n garden, follower mission orders, workorders, and a lot more if one needs to trap elite mobs.
Crafting is completely gutted and simplified that is a slap in the face to any dedicated crafter. It's jsut a work order and CD numbers waiting game. Very bland, boring, and unimaginative that requires zero work. Gathering professions are completely destroyed since they give you zero benefits as you can mine n pull weeds at your private garden and mine without any skill in mining or herbalism. Ore I have stockpiles of in the thousands with nothing to do with it as CDs n work orders take a trivial amount.
Game world is full of boredom. You have great quests but once you hit lvl 100 the lull boredom takes full effect as your options boil down to waiting for raids in Highmaul, queueing for heroics (which after the 1st toon geared up one would rather poke their eyes out with hot pokers than grind em again because they are non challenging and boring), do you weekly invasions (The new Heroic Scen).... and that's bout it for a PvEer. World "bosses" are just zerg fests essentially and LFR is a complete and utter friggin joke that are just welfare epics. Apexis dailies are non socializing and simply people zerging through elite mob areas (which aren't really elite as people can easily do it solo just time consuming vs a grp) which there is no point as the itemization of items of the very limited gear you can purchase has horrid itemization and the cost is ridiculous.
Gear itemization is ridiculous and RNG is all over the place. People call it World of RNGcraft and its aptly named so.
Once again WoW is boiled down to waiting round for raids with a world full of nothing to do-ness once you hit lvl cap. I want to play an MMO where I play in a game world where playing with OTHER people is to my benefit and a world to explore. WoW has long departed from this and the simple fact might be that WoW is the type of MMO I have no interest in and so now am looking to see if any MMO fulfills the desire I want. Sadly the most promising MMO, EQN, is a long ways away.
For me, WoD is quickly loosing its shine.... quickly.
Garrisons I don't like the concept as its just turned into private instances of solitude lobbies while waiting for queues and a time sink of maintenance instead of putting in quality content in the world. Between a few toons one easily spends at least an hour without even playing the game between the daily mining and weed pulling of private mine n garden, follower mission orders, workorders, and a lot more if one needs to trap elite mobs.
Crafting is completely gutted and simplified that is a slap in the face to any dedicated crafter. It's jsut a work order and CD numbers waiting game. Very bland, boring, and unimaginative that requires zero work. Gathering professions are completely destroyed since they give you zero benefits as you can mine n pull weeds at your private garden and mine without any skill in mining or herbalism. Ore I have stockpiles of in the thousands with nothing to do with it as CDs n work orders take a trivial amount.
Game world is full of boredom. You have great quests but once you hit lvl 100 the lull boredom takes full effect as your options boil down to waiting for raids in Highmaul, queueing for heroics (which after the 1st toon geared up one would rather poke their eyes out with hot pokers than grind em again because they are non challenging and boring), do you weekly invasions (The new Heroic Scen).... and that's bout it for a PvEer. World "bosses" are just zerg fests essentially and LFR is a complete and utter friggin joke that are just welfare epics. Apexis dailies are non socializing and simply people zerging through elite mob areas (which aren't really elite as people can easily do it solo just time consuming vs a grp) which there is no point as the itemization of items of the very limited gear you can purchase has horrid itemization and the cost is ridiculous.
Gear itemization is ridiculous and RNG is all over the place. People call it World of RNGcraft and its aptly named so.
Once again WoW is boiled down to waiting round for raids with a world full of nothing to do-ness once you hit lvl cap. I want to play an MMO where I play in a game world where playing with OTHER people is to my benefit and a world to explore. WoW has long departed from this and the simple fact might be that WoW is the type of MMO I have no interest in and so now am looking to see if any MMO fulfills the desire I want. Sadly the most promising MMO, EQN, is a long ways away.
That is because you think the only thing there is to do in WoW is sit around and wait for raids. There is plenty to do in WoW if you choose to do it. You do not, hence, you have nothing to do but wait for raids. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy... you reap what you sow.
Played for years on private servers with vanilla WoW and again when TBC came out. Those days were really fun, but also I was new to MMOs at that time and new to WoW. The fun lasted a good 2 years of play.
I never played on a Blizzard server until Cata came out, and I did play it through and enjoyed it. Never finished playing through MoP. I gave up fairly quickly on it.
WoD has been great so far!
Originally posted by Arskaaa "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".
Originally posted by Bladestrom @apthug if you hav never Pjayed wow before why the hell would you boost yourself past 90% of the content lol ?
I did it because I had the option to do it. The "lvl a character to 90" option came with the expack purchase as a bonus. I also wanted to play with my high lvl friends as soon as possible.
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Oh look bc going through his daily WoW forum scan. No agenda in this guy staying "it's 23 pages of people saying the same thing" when in FACT it's a combination of people agreeing and disagreeing with the OP. But hey why tell the truth right? That would hurt your agenda...
Edit:
To put your link into perspective there are 450 post on it. Most are post from the same people. So for fun we will say 200 original posters. I'll even give you 3/4 are negative just for fun and because well that's what wow forums are. That means out of 10,000,000 people you are claiming that because 150 (this is probably high) are negative in one post you found while doing your forum daily that the entire community feels this way and it's proof about how the game A GAME YOU DONT PLAY is?
You know same thing happens to just any MMO including ESO? i don't know if you even realise the irony in your posts when you point out such specifics with regards to WOW. It amazes me really.
Just to point out further the hypocricy in the above post i just checked ESO and how soon people got fed up of it and i didn't even have to try too hard..
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98853/this-is-the-end
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98668/good-bye-have-had-enough
Just few weeks after launch. Zenimax back then was very quick on locking threads where as Blizzard isn't so anal aboout it.
There are 100's of such topics on ESO forum less than a month into release.
You know what they say about glass houses and all?
+10
Bravo sir...well done!
Yep tell me about it. Not just ESO but every MMO goes through this. So being shocked at this is just 'drama' nothing more.
No, no it doesn't. Even if it did how would that excuse WoD?
As far as ESO if a post was made about bugs or AoE caps are bad, yeah you will get pages of people agreeing. You know why? It's true! You just don't see threads about people being disappointed with the content and bored, let alone post after post agreeing.
You did not need a post you had a whole video from Angry Joe talking about being bored.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/95273/questing-boring-craglorn-more-useless-quests
yeah i will go with Kitarad about 'selective memory' thing.
There are multiple threads of people getting bored of ESO, nothing do with bugs..just getting bored of content. I infact even linked to one of that topic. There are many more..you really want me to spam the forums with links after links?
That too
Now it's no shocker you completly skipped linking this thread...it would have not helped your agenda....whatever that is...
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15538974667
now we all know you don't actually read the links you post "23 pages of people saying the same thing" when in FACT IT WAS people agreeing and disagreeing with the op. But IF you did read the thread I linked you would see phrases like
"Oh wow a positive post on the forum"
"better get ready for the down votes on a positive thread"
you see this illustrates what you should know from doing your forum daily quest that the WoW forums lean majority NEGATIVE and you posting links with maybe 150 people crying doesn't prove crap...except YOU DONT PLAY THE GAME YOU ARE FAILING AT DAILY TRYINY TO BASH!
For me, WoD is quickly loosing its shine.... quickly.
Garrisons I don't like the concept as its just turned into private instances of solitude lobbies while waiting for queues and a time sink of maintenance instead of putting in quality content in the world. Between a few toons one easily spends at least an hour without even playing the game between the daily mining and weed pulling of private mine n garden, follower mission orders, workorders, and a lot more if one needs to trap elite mobs.
Crafting is completely gutted and simplified that is a slap in the face to any dedicated crafter. It's jsut a work order and CD numbers waiting game. Very bland, boring, and unimaginative that requires zero work. Gathering professions are completely destroyed since they give you zero benefits as you can mine n pull weeds at your private garden and mine without any skill in mining or herbalism. Ore I have stockpiles of in the thousands with nothing to do with it as CDs n work orders take a trivial amount.
Game world is full of boredom. You have great quests but once you hit lvl 100 the lull boredom takes full effect as your options boil down to waiting for raids in Highmaul, queueing for heroics (which after the 1st toon geared up one would rather poke their eyes out with hot pokers than grind em again because they are non challenging and boring), do you weekly invasions (The new Heroic Scen).... and that's bout it for a PvEer. World "bosses" are just zerg fests essentially and LFR is a complete and utter friggin joke that are just welfare epics. Apexis dailies are non socializing and simply people zerging through elite mob areas (which aren't really elite as people can easily do it solo just time consuming vs a grp) which there is no point as the itemization of items of the very limited gear you can purchase has horrid itemization and the cost is ridiculous.
Gear itemization is ridiculous and RNG is all over the place. People call it World of RNGcraft and its aptly named so.
Once again WoW is boiled down to waiting round for raids with a world full of nothing to do-ness once you hit lvl cap. I want to play an MMO where I play in a game world where playing with OTHER people is to my benefit and a world to explore. WoW has long departed from this and the simple fact might be that WoW is the type of MMO I have no interest in and so now am looking to see if any MMO fulfills the desire I want. Sadly the most promising MMO, EQN, is a long ways away.
That is because you think the only thing there is to do in WoW is sit around and wait for raids. There is plenty to do in WoW if you choose to do it. You do not, hence, you have nothing to do but wait for raids. It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy... you reap what you sow.
Played for years on private servers with vanilla WoW and again when TBC came out. Those days were really fun, but also I was new to MMOs at that time and new to WoW. The fun lasted a good 2 years of play.
I never played on a Blizzard server until Cata came out, and I did play it through and enjoyed it. Never finished playing through MoP. I gave up fairly quickly on it.
WoD has been great so far!
Originally posted by Arskaaa
"when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".
I did it because I had the option to do it. The "lvl a character to 90" option came with the expack purchase as a bonus. I also wanted to play with my high lvl friends as soon as possible.
90-100 was probably the best to date. 100+ is easily the worst. It's very jarring how bad the game gets one you level cap.