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Superman0X
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Three major MMO titlesFINAL FANTASY XIV: A
REALM REBORN, which began operation last August,
DRAGON QUEST X, which was launched in August
2012, and FINAL FANTASY XI, which has entered its
thirteenth year of operationmaintain nearly 1,000,000
paying subscribers all together, and have established a
solid revenue base.
Reference
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2014_01en.pdf
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3 MMOs with high name recognition? I did not even know 2 out of the 3 were still going. I have zero doubt 99% of those subs belong to FFXIV. Either way, with the MMO market saturated as it is, how many MMOs out there do you think can even boast 1 million subscribers? Even most f2p games cannot get 1 million active players.
I smell a hater.
I can't say I'm surprised. I figure a little over half of that is from FFXIV.
I think it is a good sign for the industry though. If you can be profitable for a big company like SE with less than a million subs maybe we'll stop seing the industry trying to follow current trends. Maybe they'll realize they can make profit with a couple hundred thousand subs and make a more diverse genre like it used to be.
Also I think it should be noted that dragon quest 10 is a japanese only game that will limit subs and it should be noted that FFXI has been SEs most profitable game in the history of the company by a long shot.
The 2 mil subs were a misquote that fanboys kept repeating over and over again until they started believing it themselves.
1 mil subs (even if spread out over 3 different games) is a decent number.
If SE was smart they would make something like a bundle subscription. I would pay again if a sub allowed me to play both FFXI and FFXIV.
I did not know Dragon Quest was a MMO,i think however it is not a true sense MMO but more and offline game with ability to co-op online,however not played it i am not totally sure how it works.I know it was a top 10 seller for Wii so not too bad.
As for the numbers,i am sure they would like more than a million overall,however those are also maintained subs,there can be many more players via other means and payment.That si not the case so much over here in NA however over seas it is very common.
I think and this is my opinion,Square biggest drawback is lack of marketing and their whole registration process often has a lot of gamer's up in arms ,leaving them angry and often not wanting any part of Square's systems.
As for the game's they produce,imo always of the highest quality and far more stable and bug free than any other developer's products including many developer's using very low end graphics.Square achieves a stable product and a solid game even using the highest end graphics.
Overall my feeling is Square was much better back in the day,imo the very best,however it seems a lot of the corporate people in charge have really ruined Square's ability to be creative.They tried to blame Tanaka for the original FFXIV however the yforced a new team on him and weather he allowed that team to get their own way or was forced to let them,i will never know,i just knwo what i have seen Tanaka do before and what i saw after the corporate bumblings.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Clearly this data is a year old. It's not even a million anymore.
Please reference the source for these numbers....
Only data that can be verified is valid... and even if this is old, it is clearly data that was accurate at that time. Any changes since then are simply speculation (unless verifiable).
First of all a game doesnt need millions of subs to be profitable.
Second of all Square is still pushing content out fast for the game and with a paid expansion coming.
Servers are alive and well for the most part, theres no issues getting anything done, FFXIV is alive and well, it does not need WOW type numbers to sustain itself.
And I dont remember anyone here claiming it had millions of subs ever, only thing that was ever said was registered accounts, but I guess some people just moan for the sake of moaning.
I realise for alot of clueless forum hoarders in here anything less than WOW type numbers means a game is dying.
No game can have 1 million active players. Few million subs, yes, active logins - no.
Blizzard does it, but then they claim they have been struck by a DDoS attack.
Go figure.
Outdated information is outdated. It has since been released in different areas around the world, as well as being spoken of in interviews since. According to such -- and observable evidence such as adding more servers and staff whereas most games ditch such by now -- the game has grown in population. There was further elaboration when all three producers of these games got together and spoke of the future of online games for Square Enix (which came down to FFXIV having the vast majority of subscriptions even with the other two combined). Though this was also with one of the Three not being out on the world market, with FFXIV also (at the time) still not being released in China (in addition to the PS4 version not yet released). Irregardless, at the time they noted some 600,000 unique account log-ins per day with FFXIV, if I recall. With many more only logging in every other day (this was without a trial version at the time; they have since released a trial version, which no doubt netted even more subscriptions for those who enjoyed it).
I'd expect the next expansion will also increase it's numbers as well, in addition to many of the positive improvements made over the year. In addition to Gold Saucer bringing a lot of the FF7 fan community in for a test ride.
Still haven't touched the game since they released personal housing, however. Though I hear the servers I played on are still quite full. No real interest or excitement in going back myself.
"Pathetically uninformed" rofl. No, I was making a logical deduction based on the fact I doubt no more than a few thousand must play those older games anymore, and FFXIV is a popular AAA MMO. I called you out as a hater and you are reacting, I get it.
Seemed like more of an attack against a community rather than a game. In addition to a possible implication that the P2P MMO industry is on it's last leg, if "three known franchises can't muster it". Though it does ignore a game's age (or locations of release) as a factor in it. Kind've funny that people say "misinformed" when they don't count all factors themselves, and take a nine month old link seriously and without looking at more recent evidence, or even analyze how things were at the time of the link's creation.
But that's just the internet.
lol Polygon being Polygon the writer of the article should be fired. this is posted in 2nd of January 2015, discussing a year old report that discuss the fiscal financial period of FFXIV from Aug- (release day) until Dec 2014 ONLY. the reason it is in march is because companies usually can only issue their financial reports after external auditor verify the data and takes few months after end of each financial year.
since then , the game went to many patches and released PS4 version, trail version and so on. they even mentioned in their side ( correction) as their data is outdated lol.
/caseclosed
Who cares if it was accurate at the time and what's the bearing a year later? If you're into it so much, can't you tell from that sentence, right there, the data is old?
Also, what's it matter if 17 million people are playing the chinese version of the game? You're on NA server or EU server. How does it affect or benefit you?
Feel free to revisit this post with the updated numbers in May.
Oh, you're just mad I caught you in an error you didn't catch. I speak well of the game often, particularly its crafting system, but it's a "come and go" game. People check it out a couple months and move on.
Also, you don't buy a modern gen console so you can play FFXIV. They can say, well we sold so-and-so number of copies, but look around you. Do you know of 10,000 people on your server in end game content? 1,000? The game's a year old, surely by this time there are 800,000 level 50 dual class people running around, split between how many servers? There aren't? Where did they go?
What are you arguing? What does it matter? If you like it, play it. Don't get mired in this "well one MILLION people think it's awesome so I'm part of a larger family!". No you're not. Most of those people don't even care they bought a FF title, they just got it because it was cheap or friends were playing it, and their particular experience amounts to playing to level 15 and forgetting to cancel the next month's billing cycle.
I think you misread OP. It says near a million across 3 different Square mmorpgs.
Maybe, but he got defensive when I opined there aren't a million anymore. I'm relatively certain it's OP's intent to discuss how very many participate in SE games. As far as I'm concerned, not being an investor in this company and all, 400 or 500k is a great, substantial subscriber base, and IF FFXIV still has that, well, I've very happy for them, but also very surprised, because they're not "physically there". You don't see them. They're trans-dimensional subscribers who only appear in revenue reports.
If you don't like the numbers, go yell at Square-Enix.
If you don't like the fiscal reporting system, go yell at... accountants?
The information provided, is what it is. Speculation about changes after the date are just that... speculation.
I don't like numbers posted today from year-old data, so I'll yell at you, ok. This high-road backtracking is giving me a headache.
I am sorry, but it will take a year for me to hear you... ok, maybe I will check back in 5 months, and we can compare your random wild guesses with new data.
The only thing players enjoy seeing more than a new MMO hit the market - Is that new MMO crashing, burning, and going free to play.
"That thing you like sucks, and here's why." is a statement that brings many people great joy.
This ^
It really baffles me why people continue to make threads like these. it's all political BS. 'My game is doing better than your game and here's proof!' type BS. Do we really have nothing better to do than to tear down each other's games? Wait.. don't answer that.
Inspite of my issues w/ some of the games on that list, they are all (all 3) of them good games. It's amazing that we cling to this idea that if a game doesn't have a mil+ subs it's a failure. And yet, when you look at how many online games there are that are active, it's impossible for most of them to have anywhere near that number. Sure there are a lot more gamers now, than there were 20-30 yrs ago, but there are also a hell of a lot more games.
Data is over 8 months old. used in that report. At that point it said XIV had about 500-600k subs when you factor into the other games sub counts. XI can actually be tracked more easily through the /see all function over time.
The data was calculated before the PS4 launch and China Release.
Was calcaulated 3 months before SE released that 2.5million copies sold which was a month or so before they annouced the 1million pre-orders in China.
FFXIV is bleeding subs but it is getting new ones at about the same rate. The servers are about as crowded as they were last year this time. Still the occasional QUE to get in during weekend primetimes.
Have to remember that 1,000,000 number came from their year end report. Which was as of March 31st, 2014.
Game is more then likely around 550-750k subs atm. Using that posting to bash XIV is like saying WoW is dying it is down to 6.5 million subs currently, the article in August said so.
XIV is stable atm, this year if the expansions is 10 more levels of the same stuff as now with a new skin expect a sub drop of large proportions.