Looking for a MMOs with good PVE and a real death penalty.

cmorris975

Hey all,

 

I miss the days of early EQ, where a death could be painful and something you took great care to avoid.  It made the fear in dungeon crawls palpable, it really made things intense.  When you pulled something off, like getting that hard to get gear piece from deep in Lower Guk, it really was an achievement.  

Are there any games these days, games with decent and complex PvE, that have a real death penalty to add that sense of excitement and intensity to a challenging dungeon run?  Eve and Darkfall come to mind but those games are PvP focused and I often don't feel like doing that. 

 

Thanks for your ideas!

Chris

vaktu.com

Thats something I'm also interested in. The closest thing I can think of is Diablo 3 Hardcore - but I guess you'd rather the death penalty just to hurt your character, not to permanently kill it. I enjoyed both D2 hardcore and D3 hardcore, and the reason was the same: I like it when stupid or wrong actions are penalized.

booniedog96

Wizardry Online

vaktu.com

Now that is something worth playing It looks great and sounds very predatory and hardcore Especially stealing the belongings from dead players. For further reading about death penalty check the wiki: http://wizardryonline.wikia.com/wiki/Death

Reizla

Originally posted by booniedog96
Wizardry Online

Didn't SOE announce to pull the plug recently?

booniedog96

It's supposedly going to make a come back soon if it hasn't already done so.  The Wizardry fans pleaded with the Devs, not sure if it will be under SOE flag.

vaktu.com

I got pretty excited watching the gameplay, but yeah, the wikipedia says its dead, and the links to the game's page redirect to soe home... Thats a sad information... Yet another example that its hard to monetize a good and unique game with a bit higher difficulty level. Thats why most of the developers follow the crowd and mindlessly copy the freemium casual model, just changing the graphics and not touching the gameplay... Its just cheaper to develop AND it makes more money on top of that...

Anyway, end of whining... Again, I suggest Diablo3 Hardcore. Its PvE focused, permanent death (but the items and gold that were in the store are shared, so its much easier to start again after the death). Also, there is no skill system like in D2, so it does not restrict you that much - you can use any available skill that gives you the advantage while leveling up, and you can keep the items with reduced requirements in the chest, that will greatly increase leveling another character.