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WoW is missing the WC
Paladin101
Member Posts: 187
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=3435976&p=1&tmp=1#post3435976
This is someone who feels very similiarly to myself. Although no one cares what he has to say, if i could post on WoW forum i would tell him that he just about hit the nail on the head. WoW is so opposite to Warcraft story and it's predecessors it is mind boggling.
The races feel too generic and the factions are too similiar. The culture of each race is represented well in their cities but not by the players why don't have that option.
There are hundreds of things i could point out, but some things, like this guy pointed out, will always boggle my mind. Undead priests can use holy spells and even spec into holy magic? Where did the necromancy and undeath go?
If Blizzard can make WoW feel and play out more like their games before i will join WoW in a heart beat. Just seems like a no brainer to me that they try to make you feel like your in WC3 since they made the graphics and animation look almost exactly like WC3 as well.
It's worth reading his post and i think blizzard could incorporate many of these ideas to make WoW more like Warcraft...... sad so many people who play this don't care because they never were really fans of WC anyhow.
My point is, if Middle earth online was nothing like LOTR novels then people would be upset. Well that is how I and others feel as well.
Comments
I know this is a dumb and lame excuse but most of the 1.5 million people who play WoW could careless about the role-playing factors of the game. The l33t skillz in farming gold, farming PvP titles and items, and farming instances and grinding asap to 60 is what counts at the end for most.
The most role-playing anyone will ever get out of this game is a guy and a girl (2 dudes in reality) cybering each other.
yep
You jumped to all of these conclusions and you don't even own the game? I'm curious, what is it you do play?
Very nice sugestions, he should be a came devolper!
Cheers! I'm out
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You jumped to all of these conclusions and you don't even own the game? I'm curious, what is it you do play?
Do you really think he needs to pay $49.95 and give out his credit card info to blizzard for him to form an opinion about a game that's been online for 7+ months?
There were the over-hyped reviews from offical sites who played for a few weeks at most and gave a MMORPG 10s across the board. Which in itself moronic because how are you going to review a MMORPG in a matter of weeks? It's kind of like seeing a movie with a great beginning, then they (reviewers) leave because they saw enough and decided it was the best of the year. While the other people who actually watch the whole movie either decide it's good, bad or so-so. And there is the buzz coming from actual players who are spreading the word (good and bad) about WoW now.
What he is hearing is of big concern to him and he doesn't want to waste money on a game that will not meet his needs.
Would you ignore concerns about game and waste money on it you may possibly not like?
WoW may be an awesome game for you and others, but not all feel the same way you do about it.
You jumped to all of these conclusions and you don't even own the game? I'm curious, what is it you do play?
Do you really think he needs to pay $49.95 and give out his credit card info to blizzard for him to form an opinion about a game that's been online for 7+ months?
There were the over-hyped reviews from offical sites who played for a few weeks at most and gave a MMORPG 10s across the board. Which in itself moronic because how are you going to review a MMORPG in a matter of weeks? It's kind of like seeing a movie with a great beginning, then they (reviewers) leave because they saw enough and decided it was the best of the year. While the other people who actually watch the whole movie either decide it's good, bad or so-so. And there is the buzz coming from actual players who are spreading the word (good and bad) about WoW now.
What he is hearing is of big concern to him and he doesn't want to waste money on a game that will not meet his needs.
Would you ignore concerns about game and waste money on it you may possibly not like?
WoW may be an awesome game for you and others, but not all feel the same way you do about it.
It's obvious you have a personal agenda BarryManilow stop trying to mask it with your have in open mind bs. Why can't you just discuss eq in your section instead of flaming WoW?
p.s. You also sound like an online predator and I don't think you should be playing online games or left alone with young children
So you can't think of anything else but call me an online predator? Where in the world have you got the impression that I am a predator? Please do tell, so I have more fuel to send to my lawyers when I sue you and your daddy for slander.
Think I will let the Mods deal with you.
I hate to say it, but if you think the plots are any different please elaborate because I am a big Warcraft fan and I found the plot very engrossing and Warcraft-like. Please elaborate on the topic, and maybe I can see what you mean.
Pissed for what? We were discussing about what WoW is missing its RP value. And its not just WoW that lacks alot of RP value, but alot others as well.
When you decided tp hijacked this thread to personally attack me, you crossed the line for no reason at all. I never personally attacked you or even knew who you were til you started to slander me and for that reason I reported you.
It's one thing to hijack a thread for game related issues, but when you resort to slanderous personal attacks. That where the line is drawn.
I am not mad, just disappointed as MMORPG.com while has alot of spirted and sometimes heated dedate, I have never seen any type of attack as you just did. Very low indeed...
You jumped to all of these conclusions and you don't even own the game? I'm curious, what is it you do play?
Do you really think he needs to pay $49.95 and give out his credit card info to blizzard for him to form an opinion about a game that's been online for 7+ months?
There were the over-hyped reviews from offical sites who played for a few weeks at most and gave a MMORPG 10s across the board. Which in itself moronic because how are you going to review a MMORPG in a matter of weeks? It's kind of like seeing a movie with a great beginning, then they (reviewers) leave because they saw enough and decided it was the best of the year. While the other people who actually watch the whole movie either decide it's good, bad or so-so. And there is the buzz coming from actual players who are spreading the word (good and bad) about WoW now.
What he is hearing is of big concern to him and he doesn't want to waste money on a game that will not meet his needs.
Would you ignore concerns about game and waste money on it you may possibly not like?
WoW may be an awesome game for you and others, but not all feel the same way you do about it.
It's obvious you have a personal agenda BarryManilow stop trying to mask it with your have in open mind bs. Why can't you just discuss eq in your section instead of flaming WoW?
p.s. You also sound like an online predator and I don't think you should be playing online games or left alone with young children
So you can't think of anything else but call me an online predator? Where in the world have you got the impression that I am a predator? Please do tell, so I have more fuel to send to my lawyers when I sue you and your daddy for slander.
Think I will let the Mods deal with you.
Praps you got this reputation by being stupid on the forums before this?
Yes please threaten to sue some one over an internet fight... hell even if that was a joke,
Why even bring something like that up?
God your lame.
I agree with you. WoW without Warcraft is well i guess just ''World''
Good post.
"You jumped to all of these conclusions and you don't even own the game? I'm curious, what is it you do play?"
No i have played for 5 months, i still have an account because my wife and little brother like playing it. So i still see plenty of what is going on in the game. Lol of course i would play it befor ei criticised anything. I feel WoW doesn't pull me into the world like WC 1, 2, and 3 did. I think the characters look a lot like the wc characters, although tauren are a bit too small now and look a bit different but still look good.
I would have to write a 6 page paper to list everything i feel is missing from the originals, and from what i thought the pvp would be like. When blizzard said this is going to make you feel like your an actual unti or hero in the WoW universe, i was expecting armies assaulting keeps or strongholds and destroying and capturing outposts ect. Not only that but that each race would play like they did in WC and feel/ sound more like the characters of the originals.
A couple things that pissme off about WoW is taurens for example use guns!? This is so ridiculous considering Taurens hate technology, as well as night elves becuase technology destroys and land and needs a vast amount of natural resources to keep it fueled. When i chose a tauren hunter, i could see using a bow or sling... maybe even a throwing spear but not guns that ONLY dwarves and gnomes developed. I mean, technology was a thing that made alliance unique considering they were small, and weaker compared to other races they fought so they used technology as a way to compensate. Magic was another strong advantage the Alliance had when the High Elves were with them.
Maybe to the rest of you this seems stupid but if you really lvoe the WC story and read the novels then you'd understand. Each culture offers unique and intreguieing. There was a need to intergrate cultures other than the need to lessen the work blizzard had to do to get WoW going. The horde had all the art and concept to impliment into WoW, there wasn't a need to make the horde have plate mail/knight armor or use blunderbus muskets..... engineering is something ONLY goblins and Gnomes are good at because they are smarter than other races and use it to compensate for their feeble bodies...orcs, trolls, and tauren should ahve nothing to do with this. I think the way the WoW team has tried to justify this in quests is an insult to the story. I remeber early on in the game the "From the Wreckage" quest made you go and swim out to find the sunken alliance ships and retrieve the lost gnomish tools, when you complete the quest the orc says we need to learn technology to compete and survive against the alliance. When i saw that i was disgusted, and shocked. What a smack in the face that is to Horde fans. I played the horde proudly in wc3 online and my "barberous" Horde did just fine slaughtering the alliance. Blood Lust, shaman magic, and the strong arm of the orc and tauren were more thna enough to dominate.
The only thing im asking is that they take the exact concept of how each race fought, looked, fought, built, and felt and impliment it in to WoW.... much of that is there. I love Thunder Bluff, Undercity, Ogrimmar, Stormwind ect ... all the cities and outposts are great. When you go to the Night Elven land it feel, sounds, and looks tremendously different than the Plague lands. Really the creatures you fight and the lands you explore are excellent. The music is as epic as WC3 and im proud that that carried over. I honestly feel that it is a little work but not enough that couldn't be done shortly to make new armor designs from wc3 and give it to each faction in WoW, considering that much of the concept and artwork is already done and could be used from wc3.
I'd like each race to play along these lines -
Orcs = Berserker strong arms able to call on great strength and do tremendous damage with their battle axes and massive broad swords. They also call upon the shamanistic powers of the earth to enrage their friends and use the the gifts of nature to protect allies and attack their foes. The Orcs main advantage is great physical strength and constitution but use little armor and attack with slow yet hard hitting weapons. Orcish Blacksmith's craft armor to make front line fighters more tenacious than their natural skin, but mainly as a symbol of strength and ornament. The greatest of Orc warriors leave the armor behind and trust in their own skill and strength to win battles, Blade Masters represent the pinnacle of the orc Warrior code , donning their mighty War swords and clan flags on their backs, the Blade masters represent everything Orcs represent. Orc's believe that through great bravery and death in battle can they have the honor of their people restored. Grom Hellscream has become the idol to all Orc warriors.
Tauren = They are the avatars of battle. They live only by their endurance and strength in battle, while maintaining a calm and focus that only the Night elves know. Their love of nature and the Earth mother make the tauren a empathetic race that connects them to the world of Azeroth . Tauren use their tremendous Druidic and Shamanistic powers to morph into wild beast and call upon great waves of natures healing to cure and replenish their allies bodies and minds. Only the most devout and wise of the Tauren can walk through the spirit realm and transverse great distances, they may also use their spirit walking to escape from danger and become an elusive foe. Tauren care little for the armor of the Orc, and Humans and rely on their hides and protective magics to pummel through enemies.
Trolls= Dark, cunning, mysterious, and brutal are the characteristics all races have come to know them by. Physically weak, although strongether than Elves or Gnomes, Trolls are highly dexterous and deadly with their precise blows. Trolls use their hunter's instinct and sharp smell to track down and locate the enemies of the horde. Throwing spears, throwing axes, and poisoned tip weaponry seperate troll war tatics from the rest. Trolls prefer to hit hard and fast from the dense jungles and forests from ambush points. Trolls can be ruthless while in melee combat but no troll while stand toe to toe with a heavily armed Paladin or Warrior for long. Only by weakening the ranks of enemies with their ranged attacks and poisoned blades can they hope for a decisive victory. Troll regeneration is renowned and while enemies believe a retreating troll force will be gone for good, while that same force is ready to strike again before an enemy has time to re-order ranks. The voodoo of the troll priests and shamans is known only to the troll tribes across Azeroth. Although not as dark as the warlock or Necromancy magics of the Demonic legion, troll voodoo twists the mind and body alike. Troll priests are revered among Trolls, while their allies and enemies alike look upon the Voodoo as a dark and sinister magic. Orcs, and Tauren have learned to accept these practices to an extent although have forbid their own from practicing in their ways. The jungle trolls of the horde have learned to use the ways of nature to balance their magic so their culture does not become as twisted as the vast majority of cannible trolls across the world. The totems of the Trolls were a life saver in many batles for the horde. The Shamans of all races of learned to incorporate the skills of Orcs, Tauren, and Trolls and create a new and more powerful shamanism.
(Although i don't feel the idea of undead allied with the Horde is realistic, i can accept it)
Forsaken Undead = Liberated from Nerzul, yet fanatical in worship of the Dark Lady Sylvannas, the Forsaken cling to the only ways they know. Necromany is still a driving force that gives the new found Forsaken sustained life and power. Warriors crave for the flesh of their enemies and renew in combat at rapid rates while consuming the slain. Undead are not very strong but are more determined than any of the races in azeroth. They clad the ancient armor of fallen warriors and heroes, and overwhelm their enemies wih limitless reserves. The races of the Horde even feel overwhelmed at times by their allies overwhelming presence on the battlefield. As their ghoulish warriors kill, the dark priests bring forth fallen men at arms to fight for the Horde. The undead have taken up the ways of Sylvannas and become rogue like in nature, Undead rogues are prehaps the most feared of them all , while only comparable to the Night Elf in their elusiveness and cunning. Undead tactics mainly consist of a frontal attack. They have little need for ambushes, droves of undead and a uncanny ability to replenish their fallen seemlessly has any army hard pressed to withstand the mighty legions of the Forsaken.
These are soem of my views about how eacg race of the horde is so different and unique in culture, magic, and war. I'd like to write some facts about the alliance after if any of you can agree with what im saying.
Sadly most of what people see is the fast leveling and l33t action and forget about the rich lore WC had. Samething with other games, so its not just WoW that suffers from this problem. Alot of the bnet kids could careless about the background that gives life to these games. All that some care is that they are better in this virtual world then the next guy.
Wish their were more RPGers like yourself playing MMORPGs but sadly they are plaqued by teenage boys like above who can't defend thier point of views, only mindless flame because they "love" thier game people dare to say otherwise.
Well knowing a great deal about Warcraft loreputs a stale taste in my mouth when i see so much missing from WoW. I love WoW a lot but i just have had a poor rp expirience overall and have grouped with a very few RP'ers on different RP servers, which is confusing?
I don't expect Blizzard to impliment everything ive listed but considering it is their content it is kind of sad that they wouldn't. I'm shocked that Metzen hasn't done more to insure that the lore of WC stays intact in WoW. The story/quests is still there to an extent but the races and factions really don't play out much like they did in all the previous games or novels. I am hopeing that there wil lbe large battles eventually between the scourge and the rest of the world.
An invasion into kalimdor and Lorderon would be exciting. I don't see the scourge as much as a threat in WoW currently. In FT the scourge only became more powerful with Nerzul in a living embodiment of himself, and becoming the most powerflu being in Azeroth. That Lord KAzzak video actually looks a hell of a lot more fun than anything that the Dev's have ever came up with. I'd like to see home cities be attacked by factional npc's more often. It be nice to see a 3 way battle of Horde, Alliance and Scourge..... seeing that the scourge is just as much a faction in the world as the Horde and Alliance.
I feel the Scourge should be playable and be a 3rd faction, but i don't see blizzard doing that now after everyone is content with a 2 party war..... lol Nerzul must be pissed that he is going to be a exploitable npc and his vast armies nothing more than npc drones instead of player controlled Legions.
It's depressing to think of the possibilities that wil lnever be realised
Don't you think it is an insult that one of the most ancient races of Azeroth (Night Elves) have to be sided with the alliance... lol i remeber Priestess tyrande looking at the humans and orcs and being totally disgusted by their careless actions toward nature and their land.... lol now they are paired up with the 3 races that totally disregard nature and cut down forests to fuel their kingdoms..... yea im sure the Night Elf leaders looked at them and said "YEP that's who we want to be best friends with". Hey atleast the undead have an uneasy alliance with the Horde, yet there is not mention of this on the NE side?
Not only that but i loved seeing the paladins leading the grunts and footmen against the legion... that was classic after seeing them battle for so many years, then take up arms together. I can understand why they broke their alliance though, but i'll never understand why the Night elf are with the Alliance and not the Horde considering the Taurens have been accepted into the Cenarion circle..... uhg it makes me dizzy to think where this story went wrong, especially when "fans" of warcraft see no problem with the story in it's current state.
WoW is an excellent and fun game but the story is so screwed up that i can't overlook it really. I ply MMO's for a RP expirience........
ok im going to stop before i have a siezure lol.
Edit: J-monster I am going to let this horse die a quick death.