Labor points, auction house certificate and RNG are the reasons I left. I doubt these aspects of the game, have or will ever change.
But I would think that at this point in time, the undead zombie horse that is Archeage; has been beat enough.
The code of the pessimistic loner: "We unpopular loners are realists, who follow the three non- popular principles: Not having any (Hope), Not making any (Gaps in your heart); And not giving into (Sweet talk)".
Recently came back to the game after leaving it in disgust about a month or so ago and here's some observations:
The community numbers seem to have stabilized on the servers I play on. The mass exodus has stopped but while there is less bleeding there is also very few new players. During non prime time in NA the whole joint is a ghost town.
Still no land available on the original servers but plenty on the newer ones. Land is no longer a valuable commodity it seems. No one cares about land hacking anymore...bots seem to have dried up as well.
The economy is in a perilous state. Workers pots are selling for around 80 gold (25 gold a month ago) and APEX for an incredible 750+ gold (90 gold a month ago). Inflation is rampant, so if you are new to the game bring your credit card or don't bother playing. Price of rare mats and decent armor are so ridiculously high that nothing sells on the AH anymore. Non patrons are literally working full time in game grinding enough gold to buy Apex just so they can play another week. Vicious circle that looks to only get worse.
PVP has become a joke. Only those with the best gear do arena because no one else can compete. My toon has around 11k health and I'm constantly battling opponents with 20k health and they literally kill me with 2 shots. I will never catch up to them unless I use the credit card. Oh, and you only ever see the same 3-4 builds running around as the rest are not viable.
To summarize, no don't come back unless you have money to throw at it to catch up. You are probably better off waiting for 1.7 and see what happens then.
Recently came back to the game after leaving it in disgust about a month or so ago and here's some observations:
The community numbers seem to have stabilized on the servers I play on. The mass exodus has stopped but while there is less bleeding there is also very few new players. During non prime time in NA the whole joint is a ghost town.
Still no land available on the original servers but plenty on the newer ones. Land is no longer a valuable commodity it seems. No one cares about land hacking anymore...bots seem to have dried up as well.
The economy is in a perilous state. Workers pots are selling for around 80 gold (25 gold a month ago) and APEX for an incredible 750+ gold (90 gold a month ago). Inflation is rampant, so if you are new to the game bring your credit card or don't bother playing. Price of rare mats and decent armor are so ridiculously high that nothing sells on the AH anymore. Non patrons are literally working full time in game grinding enough gold to buy Apex just so they can play another week. Vicious circle that looks to only get worse.
PVP has become a joke. Only those with the best gear do arena because no one else can compete. My toon has around 11k health and I'm constantly battling opponents with 20k health and they literally kill me with 2 shots. I will never catch up to them unless I use the credit card. Oh, and you only ever see the same 3-4 builds running around as the rest are not viable.
To summarize, no don't come back unless you have money to throw at it to catch up. You are probably better off waiting for 1.7 and see what happens then.
There is ABSOLUTELY no way people can get 20k hp through gear alone. Arena players are rich players. They buy the 4500pdef and 4500mdef pots. They also buy the HP regen / buffs from food.
But like you said, non patrons will find it very difficult because of inflation.
Recently came back to the game after leaving it in disgust about a month or so ago and here's some observations:
The community numbers seem to have stabilized on the servers I play on. The mass exodus has stopped but while there is less bleeding there is also very few new players. During non prime time in NA the whole joint is a ghost town.
Still no land available on the original servers but plenty on the newer ones. Land is no longer a valuable commodity it seems. No one cares about land hacking anymore...bots seem to have dried up as well.
The economy is in a perilous state. Workers pots are selling for around 80 gold (25 gold a month ago) and APEX for an incredible 750+ gold (90 gold a month ago). Inflation is rampant, so if you are new to the game bring your credit card or don't bother playing. Price of rare mats and decent armor are so ridiculously high that nothing sells on the AH anymore. Non patrons are literally working full time in game grinding enough gold to buy Apex just so they can play another week. Vicious circle that looks to only get worse.
PVP has become a joke. Only those with the best gear do arena because no one else can compete. My toon has around 11k health and I'm constantly battling opponents with 20k health and they literally kill me with 2 shots. I will never catch up to them unless I use the credit card. Oh, and you only ever see the same 3-4 builds running around as the rest are not viable.
To summarize, no don't come back unless you have money to throw at it to catch up. You are probably better off waiting for 1.7 and see what happens then.
There is ABSOLUTELY no way people can get 20k hp through gear alone. Arena players are rich players. They buy the 4500pdef and 4500mdef pots. They also buy the HP regen / buffs from food.
But like you said, non patrons will find it very difficult because of inflation.
Either way, the cash shop whales (who are the ones that can afford to buy all those potions in the first place) make PvP a joke.
Originally posted by OhhPaigey Hey, so I'm wondering if this game is worth coming back to now, I haven't played really since beta/the very start of launch, where there were hour long queues and a lot of complaint threads. How is the game doing now?
I stoped playing like a month ago.
There are no queues now. I got 3 or so months of so of fun so I'd say its worth coming back if ya did not play on release.
Worth coming back or not, I have to say this is probably the first otherwise good MMO I have ever played, where the business model was a primary reason for a game's "non-success". (With the possible exception of Allods when it was first released, I think it was.)
The population in most games fall off because the games themselves are lacking. With AA, there is relatively broad and deep game play, but an absolutely atrocious business model and cash shop funneling mechanisms, that suck all the "fun" out of things and make everything about buying labor potions or other things from the cash shop.
That is not fun.
That and the absolutely terrible game management on the part of Trion/XL to the many issues, killed this title for most Western players.
Either way, the cash shop whales (who are the ones that can afford to buy all those potions in the first place) make PvP a joke.
Well one thing is for sure ....you aren't talking about anything you have experienced yourself !!
I don't need to experience things to know that gravity makes things fall down or that a duck quacks (also, even if I did a write-up on my own personal Arena experiences, I'm sure people like you would just brush them off as invalid because they dared to critique Archeage, anyways. After all, that's what you're doing to the poster I was quoting on by ignoring his own experiences with the whale-based arena). The original poster also does not care to experience these things for him/herself if s/he doesn't have to (the poster being smart enough to not learn things the hard way if learning it via an easier way exists) but instead is asking for other peoples' opinions. So here's another person's opinion on the matter of PvP and the cash shop ruining it, in wonderful video form for the topic creator's perusal. The video's kinda old by now but nothing in the game has really changed regarding it since then (if anything, it's only gotten worse. The inflation on those APEX prices now is crazy!).
Either way, the cash shop whales (who are the ones that can afford to buy all those potions in the first place) make PvP a joke.
Well one thing is for sure ....you aren't talking about anything you have experienced yourself !!
(if anything, it's only gotten worse. The inflation on those APEX prices now is crazy!).
It isn't any more difficult to survive in America's economy now than it was in 1950... Why would Archeage's inflation even matter? Yeah everything costs more money, but everyone who makes money is making more money to compensate, because they are getting more money on what they craft/sell/grow.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
It isn't any more difficult to survive in America's economy now than it was in 1950... Why would Archeage's inflation even matter? Yeah everything costs more money, but everyone who makes money is making more money to compensate, because they are getting more money on what they craft/sell/grow.
Trade routes, fishing returns, coin purses, and anything else that comes from the game instead of players (quest rewards, whatever) have not increased in gold output since the game was released. It's the equivalent of America inflation without any minimum wage increases whatsoever. Which, as you'd expect in real life as well, is extremely bad on the "lower class" (newbies and, in many cases, returning players). Or on anyone that isn't into buying and selling with other players in the economics sub-game that exists in many MMOs (which in my experience is actually most people).
People still come here to bash the game, that shows how much of an impact it still has on their lives.
Or they like me and still here because they enjoyning playing the best game on the market.
(by best i m refering exclusively to the MMORPG genre)
The original poster already played the game before. Given that this "best on the market" gameplay was apparently not "best enough" for him to stick around the first time, I highly doubt it's "worth coming back" if nothing has changed, which seems to be the case given that you didn't mention any changes or improvements since the last time he's played at all.
People still come here to bash the game, that shows how much of an impact it still has on their lives.
Or they like me and still here because they enjoyning playing the best game on the market.
(by best i m refering exclusively to the MMORPG genre)
The original poster already played the game before. Given that this "best on the market" gameplay was apparently not "best enough" for him to stick around the first time, I highly doubt it's "worth coming back" if nothing has changed, which seems to be the case given that you didn't mention any changes or improvements since the last time he's played at all.
Its good enough for him to come back to it after several months and for you to still be here after so much time you disliking it.
I played it extensively for 3 months and ended up quiting in disgust of all the exploiting and cheating (hello AH sniper bots) going on. Besides the whole game being a nasty casino which could work if there wasn't a cash shop tailored for whales on top. Trion came out full greed mode basicaly and I'd stay far away. Wish I had seen that comming when they offered 150$ alpha access of a game already completed.
People still come here to bash the game, that shows how much of an impact it still has on their lives.
Or they like me and still here because they enjoyning playing the best game on the market.
(by best i m refering exclusively to the MMORPG genre)
The original poster already played the game before. Given that this "best on the market" gameplay was apparently not "best enough" for him to stick around the first time, I highly doubt it's "worth coming back" if nothing has changed, which seems to be the case given that you didn't mention any changes or improvements since the last time he's played at all.
Its good enough for him to come back to it after several months and for you to still be here after so much time you disliking it.
Its the best game in the market of MMORPG's.
Um... now, I might have actually missed something in this thread, but I'm pretty sure he HASN'T come back yet.
Also, saying something is good enough for someone to still be disliking it on forums is like saying a piece of dog dung is good enough because people still think dog poo stinks.
Originally posted by OhhPaigey Hey, so I'm wondering if this game is worth coming back to now, I haven't played really since beta/the very start of launch, where there were hour long queues and a lot of complaint threads. How is the game doing now?
This game had potential.
Problems that made me leave (I still have 5 months subscription remaining) and delete my credit info are.....
1. People cheating and getting banned and then getting right back in after petitioning since Trion wants all money (even from exploiters and cheaters).
2. Cash shop (credits store) is almost a need to use due to how the game is set up.
3. Most of the really great concepts in the game like tending crops and things become a full time job instead of something fun due to the quick death cycle of crops (don't tend to them in a few days = all dead and gone).
4. Labor point system is set up in such a way that it limits certain activities you would find enjoyable.
5. There are exploits still going like making a guy on the EU server with seperate labor pool and using that only to get lots of gold to then sell for credits to then pay for all your subscriptions. Then you can have more than 1 account going and continue this cycle. (Basically becomes a full time job in which you really aren't playing the game as much as gaming the system).
6. There are still many activities and items that need to be re-addressed and fixed, but instead the devs choose to contually add things to the cash shop to make more $$ from players.
7. The high end crafting and random Number Generater style is basically gambling and not very fun.
lol archeage is fine, everyone has their reasons for leaving, bored, hackers, exploiters, etc. but alot have stayed also and made a small community, most stayed because of the competitive pvp in owpvp or constructed by calling guilds out for 10v10 , 30v30, etc. truth be told the only way to catch up is still play as yous top for months, you will behind in gear as this is a korean mmo. where you get left in the dust unless you p2w really hard. waiting for the 55 update and well see how Trion does there and how many old players actually come back.
Originally posted by Valentineless truth be told the only way to catch up is still play as yous top for months, you will behind in gear as this is a korean mmo. where you get left in the dust unless you p2w really hard.
Just in case the OP missed it because it starts with "archeage is fine", I've cut down this post to the most relevant part that answers the OP's question, 'Is it worth coming back?"
Originally posted by VastoHorde Downloading the game now to try it again. I also have not played since launch and did not play much then.
Finally, someone who gets it!
For about a month, and then realizes the insane grind, the bots/cheaters problem and the blatant cash shop funneling, and he'll be gone again.
Which is the normal response for most Western players. (And to my mind, the correct one.)
An otherwise good game ruined by the worst game mismanagement I have seen since SWG, and the the worst cash shop funneling I have seen, ever. (And the grind, I have a job already, thanks.)
Originally posted by VastoHorde Downloading the game now to try it again. I also have not played since launch and did not play much then.
Finally, someone who gets it!
Hope he remembers how to get rid of all the stealth versions of hackshield that will be left on his computer once he uninstalls it again. Getting Hackshield off your computer is actually harder than hacking Archeage itself.
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Labor points, auction house certificate and RNG are the reasons I left. I doubt these aspects of the game, have or will ever change.
But I would think that at this point in time, the undead zombie horse that is Archeage; has been beat enough.
The code of the pessimistic loner: "We unpopular loners are realists, who follow the three non- popular principles: Not having any (Hope), Not making any (Gaps in your heart); And not giving into (Sweet talk)".
Recently came back to the game after leaving it in disgust about a month or so ago and here's some observations:
The community numbers seem to have stabilized on the servers I play on. The mass exodus has stopped but while there is less bleeding there is also very few new players. During non prime time in NA the whole joint is a ghost town.
Still no land available on the original servers but plenty on the newer ones. Land is no longer a valuable commodity it seems. No one cares about land hacking anymore...bots seem to have dried up as well.
The economy is in a perilous state. Workers pots are selling for around 80 gold (25 gold a month ago) and APEX for an incredible 750+ gold (90 gold a month ago). Inflation is rampant, so if you are new to the game bring your credit card or don't bother playing. Price of rare mats and decent armor are so ridiculously high that nothing sells on the AH anymore. Non patrons are literally working full time in game grinding enough gold to buy Apex just so they can play another week. Vicious circle that looks to only get worse.
PVP has become a joke. Only those with the best gear do arena because no one else can compete. My toon has around 11k health and I'm constantly battling opponents with 20k health and they literally kill me with 2 shots. I will never catch up to them unless I use the credit card. Oh, and you only ever see the same 3-4 builds running around as the rest are not viable.
To summarize, no don't come back unless you have money to throw at it to catch up. You are probably better off waiting for 1.7 and see what happens then.
There is ABSOLUTELY no way people can get 20k hp through gear alone. Arena players are rich players. They buy the 4500pdef and 4500mdef pots. They also buy the HP regen / buffs from food.
But like you said, non patrons will find it very difficult because of inflation.
Either way, the cash shop whales (who are the ones that can afford to buy all those potions in the first place) make PvP a joke.
I stoped playing like a month ago.
There are no queues now. I got 3 or so months of so of fun so I'd say its worth coming back if ya did not play on release.
Well one thing is for sure ....you aren't talking about anything you have experienced yourself !!
Worth coming back or not, I have to say this is probably the first otherwise good MMO I have ever played, where the business model was a primary reason for a game's "non-success". (With the possible exception of Allods when it was first released, I think it was.)
The population in most games fall off because the games themselves are lacking. With AA, there is relatively broad and deep game play, but an absolutely atrocious business model and cash shop funneling mechanisms, that suck all the "fun" out of things and make everything about buying labor potions or other things from the cash shop.
That is not fun.
That and the absolutely terrible game management on the part of Trion/XL to the many issues, killed this title for most Western players.
I don't need to experience things to know that gravity makes things fall down or that a duck quacks (also, even if I did a write-up on my own personal Arena experiences, I'm sure people like you would just brush them off as invalid because they dared to critique Archeage, anyways. After all, that's what you're doing to the poster I was quoting on by ignoring his own experiences with the whale-based arena). The original poster also does not care to experience these things for him/herself if s/he doesn't have to (the poster being smart enough to not learn things the hard way if learning it via an easier way exists) but instead is asking for other peoples' opinions. So here's another person's opinion on the matter of PvP and the cash shop ruining it, in wonderful video form for the topic creator's perusal. The video's kinda old by now but nothing in the game has really changed regarding it since then (if anything, it's only gotten worse. The inflation on those APEX prices now is crazy!).
It isn't any more difficult to survive in America's economy now than it was in 1950... Why would Archeage's inflation even matter? Yeah everything costs more money, but everyone who makes money is making more money to compensate, because they are getting more money on what they craft/sell/grow.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Trade routes, fishing returns, coin purses, and anything else that comes from the game instead of players (quest rewards, whatever) have not increased in gold output since the game was released. It's the equivalent of America inflation without any minimum wage increases whatsoever. Which, as you'd expect in real life as well, is extremely bad on the "lower class" (newbies and, in many cases, returning players). Or on anyone that isn't into buying and selling with other players in the economics sub-game that exists in many MMOs (which in my experience is actually most people).
no! dont matter how many patchs going . game still pay2win
but if you not believe me go ahead feel free to test and regret
The gameplay is that of the best on the market.
People still come here to bash the game, that shows how much of an impact it still has on their lives.
Or they like me and still here because they enjoyning playing the best game on the market.
(by best i m refering exclusively to the MMORPG genre)
The original poster already played the game before. Given that this "best on the market" gameplay was apparently not "best enough" for him to stick around the first time, I highly doubt it's "worth coming back" if nothing has changed, which seems to be the case given that you didn't mention any changes or improvements since the last time he's played at all.
Its good enough for him to come back to it after several months and for you to still be here after so much time you disliking it.
Its the best game in the market of MMORPG's.
Um... now, I might have actually missed something in this thread, but I'm pretty sure he HASN'T come back yet.
Also, saying something is good enough for someone to still be disliking it on forums is like saying a piece of dog dung is good enough because people still think dog poo stinks.
This game had potential.
Problems that made me leave (I still have 5 months subscription remaining) and delete my credit info are.....
1. People cheating and getting banned and then getting right back in after petitioning since Trion wants all money (even from exploiters and cheaters).
2. Cash shop (credits store) is almost a need to use due to how the game is set up.
3. Most of the really great concepts in the game like tending crops and things become a full time job instead of something fun due to the quick death cycle of crops (don't tend to them in a few days = all dead and gone).
4. Labor point system is set up in such a way that it limits certain activities you would find enjoyable.
5. There are exploits still going like making a guy on the EU server with seperate labor pool and using that only to get lots of gold to then sell for credits to then pay for all your subscriptions. Then you can have more than 1 account going and continue this cycle. (Basically becomes a full time job in which you really aren't playing the game as much as gaming the system).
6. There are still many activities and items that need to be re-addressed and fixed, but instead the devs choose to contually add things to the cash shop to make more $$ from players.
7. The high end crafting and random Number Generater style is basically gambling and not very fun.
Just in case the OP missed it because it starts with "archeage is fine", I've cut down this post to the most relevant part that answers the OP's question, 'Is it worth coming back?"
Finally, someone who gets it!
For about a month, and then realizes the insane grind, the bots/cheaters problem and the blatant cash shop funneling, and he'll be gone again.
Which is the normal response for most Western players. (And to my mind, the correct one.)
An otherwise good game ruined by the worst game mismanagement I have seen since SWG, and the the worst cash shop funneling I have seen, ever. (And the grind, I have a job already, thanks.)
Hope he remembers how to get rid of all the stealth versions of hackshield that will be left on his computer once he uninstalls it again. Getting Hackshield off your computer is actually harder than hacking Archeage itself.