It sure ain't looking like "Business as usual + Xbox" is it? Can't wait to see what their new Russian overlords do next.
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Originally posted by Agnostic42 I have a feeling that EQ next is dead in the water, however, if it does go on, it will be released a rushed mess meant to appease the bottom line/ red tape guys. /RIP SOE
SOE usually release their games rushed in a mess. In 2004 most people thought EQ 2 would be the next big thing but it's state was so crappy at release that it wouldn't have been that even if Wow hadn't released 6 weeks after.
Vanguard... Yeah, not just their fault but they could have fixed it up and the game would still be running today.
SWG was in many ways a great game but it was still rushed and incredible buggy at launch.
You honestly thought that EQN would be well polished and bug free before hearing about this?
Nah, if Daybreak is smart they actually release this game as a winner instead of a half finnished mess as usual. If they are dumbed they just close it down but it would be a waste.
I do wish David the best and I blame Smed for the whole early release thing, I wish they fired him instead.
Dude EQ2 was a hard release because too many poor ass wallet clinchers never upgraded their PCs to play the game. no one was able to decently play the game on max for around 2 years. this was designed that way. at same issues are now happening in EQ Lnadmark and even H1Z1. these poser pc gamers with dell pcs and or ver prices under performing alienwares have no clue that a sub $200 gfx card and a quad core anything will not allow you to play games on max.
As for DGC making mobile games.. does no one read th pres release. SONY sold SOE so they could make mobile games and DROP PC market.. DGC will make PC PS and xbox games now...
Definitely sad news but honestly I was never that excited with what they have shown with Landmark and EQ Next. Both games reek of nothing but "ideas" and with a questionable ability to execute on those ideas. Voxels, dynamic questing and destructibility in online games has always had issues that I have little confidence they can pull off. The engine Landmark uses is an absolute mess right now even with only 5-10 people on the shard, this game would be unplayable with hundreds of players and dynamic AI running around fighting. I think they have bitten off more then they can chew at this point and I don't think this game is going to even come close to its original vision.
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Originally posted by Acvivm Definitely sad news but honestly I was never that excited with what they have shown with Landmark and EQ Next. Both games reek of nothing but "ideas" and with a questionable ability to execute on those ideas. Voxels, dynamic questing and destructibility in online games has always had issues that I have little confidence they can pull off. The engine Landmark uses is an absolute mess right now even with only 5-10 people on the shard, this game would be unplayable with hundreds of players and dynamic AI running around fighting. I think they have bit off more then they can chew at this point and I don't this game doing anything close to what they want by the time its over.
While a little more negative, this is my feeling on EQNext. I think the game was far less "developed" than people really think, especially if Landmark was any sort of "testing" field or benchmark to progress (like they claimed).
As the list of people let go grows, it really wouldn't surprise me if they completely pulled the plug on EQNext as we know it and just used the name. It would probably be easier than trying to live up to all the promises David made regarding to the list of features in EQNext.
Originally posted by Siug Good news. I'd love to play a new Everquest game but this dude was all about that awful Disney adaption. Maybe EQN will become a bit more EQ now.
The art direction is from Rosie Rappaport who was also the lead art designer of the original Everquest. For all we know right now, she is still at the company.
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
Business talk. Have to love it. Highlighted the core elements which are in my oppinion the only real information in there. There will be further rationalizing and the future of DBC will be set on multi-platform development.
Not hard to tell in what kind of games that will result.
Originally posted by mrneurosis EQ next will still go on. I knew someone would make a topic like this. Is it a big loss? yes but there is no way EQ NEXT is going to be cancelled.
I hope you are correct. I don't share your optimism though, not at this point.
Not optimism but common sense? Cancel EQNEXT and then do what? make apps for android? makes no sense to cancel the most anticipated title.
You forget the company wasn't bought by a gaming company, but by an investment firm. They DO NOT care about games, they saw something worth something they can exploit (probably SoEmote or something) and will salvage the tech they need for their other projects and leave the rest to rot.
Or worse, they simply bought the company to make their own stocks go up and have no plans to do anything with SoE lol...
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
We will see.
You don't need too many people to keep games running without patching and updates...
I played EQ from launch 1999. I dont want the above screen to be anything for EQN. As for the screen you are looking at for EQN, the build quality has gone way up. That pic is some player standing in front of a shack.
And those still look like crap. And the distance of the screenshots are about the max distance you can get before everything turns into an even bigger mess.
LM and EQN are dead. IMO the franchise will be sold off before long as the team gets moved into cash shop mobile games and side scrollers for Live and PSN.
Originally posted by mrneurosis EQ next will still go on. I knew someone would make a topic like this. Is it a big loss? yes but there is no way EQ NEXT is going to be cancelled.
I hope you are correct. I don't share your optimism though, not at this point.
Not optimism but common sense? Cancel EQNEXT and then do what? make apps for android? makes no sense to cancel the most anticipated title.
You forget the company wasn't bought by a gaming company, but by an investment firm. They DO NOT care about games, they saw something worth something they can exploit (probably SoEmote or something) and will salvage the tech they need for their other projects and leave the rest to rot.
Or worse, they simply bought the company to make their own stocks go up and have no plans to do anything with SoE lol...
I'm going to have to concur with this, if anything SOE may have been more desperate then they had led people to believe and did what any company would do to survive. We have no idea the real current state of EQ Next but if Landmark is anything to go by the game probably isn't even close to the beta stage and is just eating up funding at this point. Of course this is all speculation on my part but come on, this is pretty typical in the business world sometimes you bat a home run and other times you just don't make it to home plate.
I played EQ from launch 1999. I dont want the above screen to be anything for EQN. As for the screen you are looking at for EQN, the build quality has gone way up. That pic is some player standing in front of a shack.
And those still look like crap. And the distance of the screenshots are about the max distance you can get before everything turns into an even bigger mess.
LM and EQN are dead. IMO the franchise will be sold off before long as the team gets moved into cash shop mobile games and side scrollers for Live and PSN.
I played EQ from launch 1999. I dont want the above screen to be anything for EQN. As for the screen you are looking at for EQN, the build quality has gone way up. That pic is some player standing in front of a shack.
And those still look like crap. And the distance of the screenshots are about the max distance you can get before everything turns into an even bigger mess.
LM and EQN are dead. IMO the franchise will be sold off before long as the team gets moved into cash shop mobile games and side scrollers for Live and PSN.
Far from looking like crap. I will admit it does not look as good a a polygon word but when you are making a voxel 100% destructible world their looks are miles better then...
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
Business talk. Have to love it. Highlighted the core elements which are in my oppinion the only real information in there. There will be further rationalizing and the future of DBC will be set on multi-platform development.
Not hard to tell in what kind of games that will result.
Yeah. They will try to spin anything into a positive.
One thing I keep noticing though, is repeated comments about "current games" and "future multi-platform." I don't see anything that gives me any confidence about "games in development" unless you want to stretch the boundaries of "current games" to include LM and by inference, its role as an EQN precursor.
I wish I wasn't so negatively biased against Russian corporations, but I am. They do flagrantly what Western companies at least have the sense to do quietly
I mean... This is the parent company, Renova, at its most blatant using militia and corrupt courts to steal an oil field from Canadian oil company Norex in 2011... and a 2014 NY court ruling for Norex
That's who Smedley works for now.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
Business talk. Have to love it. Highlighted the core elements which are in my oppinion the only real information in there. There will be further rationalizing and the future of DBC will be set on multi-platform development.
Not hard to tell in what kind of games that will result.
Yeah. They will try to spin anything into a positive.
One thing I keep noticing though, is repeated comments about "current games" and "future multi-platform." I don't see anything that gives me any confidence about "games in development" unless you want to stretch the boundaries of "current games" to include LM and by inference, its role as an EQN precursor.
I wish I wasn't so negatively biased against Russian corporations, but I am. They do flagrantly what Western companies at least have the sense to do quietly
I mean... This is the parent company, Renova, at its most blatant using militia and corrupt courts to steal an oil field from Canadian oil company Norex in 2011... and a 2014 NY court ruling for Norex
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Hey folks, thanks for the kind words. I am no longer at Daybreak, but the lore will live on. Peace.
It sure ain't looking like "Business as usual + Xbox" is it? Can't wait to see what their new Russian overlords do next.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Dude EQ2 was a hard release because too many poor ass wallet clinchers never upgraded their PCs to play the game. no one was able to decently play the game on max for around 2 years. this was designed that way. at same issues are now happening in EQ Lnadmark and even H1Z1. these poser pc gamers with dell pcs and or ver prices under performing alienwares have no clue that a sub $200 gfx card and a quad core anything will not allow you to play games on max.
As for DGC making mobile games.. does no one read th pres release. SONY sold SOE so they could make mobile games and DROP PC market.. DGC will make PC PS and xbox games now...
According to pantheon site...
Looks like we've lost Georgeson...
A lot more than that so far:
Linda "Brasse" Carlson
Amnerys
Kelduum (H1Z1)
Lyndro (EQ2)
Endymion (EQ2)
Gnobrin (EQ2)
Noah W. (H1Z1 - web)
Felgon (Landmark)
Moorguard (?)
Lot more to come i am told. Sad sad day
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Press releases... yeah, they always tell the truth...
Here's the official blurb they sent to Polygon:
"As part of a strategic decision to rationalize the business, Daybreak Game Company announced today that it will eliminate positions in both its San Diego and Austin studios. This alignment of resources better positions the newly independent studio for future growth opportunities and developments, including delivering on its legacy of making top online games and establishing a solid foundation for future multi-platform success. These reductions will not affect the operation of current games and the company will continue on its mission to partner with its player community to drive the future and push the boundaries of online gaming."
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
While a little more negative, this is my feeling on EQNext. I think the game was far less "developed" than people really think, especially if Landmark was any sort of "testing" field or benchmark to progress (like they claimed).
As the list of people let go grows, it really wouldn't surprise me if they completely pulled the plug on EQNext as we know it and just used the name. It would probably be easier than trying to live up to all the promises David made regarding to the list of features in EQNext.
The art direction is from Rosie Rappaport who was also the lead art designer of the original Everquest. For all we know right now, she is still at the company.
We will see.
Business talk. Have to love it. Highlighted the core elements which are in my oppinion the only real information in there. There will be further rationalizing and the future of DBC will be set on multi-platform development.
Not hard to tell in what kind of games that will result.
Thanks Elmberry for the info.
I wonder who is left now? Just Smedly and the interns when all this is done?
Dumbest notion here. So Microsoft just likes to turn down money now? Why would they?
You forget the company wasn't bought by a gaming company, but by an investment firm. They DO NOT care about games, they saw something worth something they can exploit (probably SoEmote or something) and will salvage the tech they need for their other projects and leave the rest to rot.
Or worse, they simply bought the company to make their own stocks go up and have no plans to do anything with SoE lol...
You don't need too many people to keep games running without patching and updates...
And those still look like crap. And the distance of the screenshots are about the max distance you can get before everything turns into an even bigger mess.
LM and EQN are dead. IMO the franchise will be sold off before long as the team gets moved into cash shop mobile games and side scrollers for Live and PSN.
I'm going to have to concur with this, if anything SOE may have been more desperate then they had led people to believe and did what any company would do to survive. We have no idea the real current state of EQ Next but if Landmark is anything to go by the game probably isn't even close to the beta stage and is just eating up funding at this point. Of course this is all speculation on my part but come on, this is pretty typical in the business world sometimes you bat a home run and other times you just don't make it to home plate.
HEAVEN OR HELL
Duel 1
Lets ROCK!
Is it bad that I am far more worried about everything I have invested into a 16-year EverQuest run than EQ:N or Landmark?
I dabbled in Landmark for about two days. And my excitement for EQ:N evaporated the day they showed the character and (pseudo) game-play videos.
You better save those pics. lol
Far from looking like crap. I will admit it does not look as good a a polygon word but when you are making a voxel 100% destructible world their looks are miles better then...
Yeah. They will try to spin anything into a positive.
One thing I keep noticing though, is repeated comments about "current games" and "future multi-platform." I don't see anything that gives me any confidence about "games in development" unless you want to stretch the boundaries of "current games" to include LM and by inference, its role as an EQN precursor.
I wish I wasn't so negatively biased against Russian corporations, but I am. They do flagrantly what Western companies at least have the sense to do quietly
I mean... This is the parent company, Renova, at its most blatant using militia and corrupt courts to steal an oil field from Canadian oil company Norex in 2011... and a 2014 NY court ruling for Norex
That's who Smedley works for now.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
They haven't fired everyone, Domino and Steve Klug have confirmed that they were not fired.
edit: Dexella too is staying, that means they didn't fire all the CMs.
https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/562352848390733824
Only news on that, no word on Landmark.