There are also people in the official forums lobbying for sub-only forums and all kinds of other sub-only perks. I don't share their attitude nor misguided sense of entitled superiority.
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I wouldn't consider it superiority. It could be based on a segregation tactic to keep the new model palatable to them. The people who played the game previously obviously liked or accepted the subscription model. To maintain that atmosphere they are only asking that those who pay subs are clumped together - you might think of it as the only way they could request it because of the megaserver instance tactics. Their intentions could just be to maintain the atmosphere they desire by ignoring the things they don't like about the change. I could def. see a request like that as a way to cope.
Fair enough and on the surface, I can see that... but then you start reading the posts and see just a repetition of the same myths about free players being a lower class of player (even though this is a B2P game, not F2P lol)... it definitely comes accross as self-entitled snobbery.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
and as for no AVA development or new features scheduled.....the lack of any remarks says it all.DON"T look for any in the near future(or as the devs said...NO NEW FEATURES OF ANY KIND till after the June console launch "settles down" )
Two of the questions without knowing it actually baited some sad answers.
It sounds like cash shop content being at maximum every month likely more often,will get more attention than game content,which of course is one of the reasons these models are sad.If i was paying a subscription i would want 100% of the game NO locked out cash shop items.
Secondly they claim they made the decision on payment model based on player reactions and how they play.Well that indicates that a sub fee was not warranted because players were not playing enough to warrant a sub fee.Is that actually a good sign your game is enjoyed if players are not playing enough to warrant a sub fee?What other answer could there be when you say based on how players play?If they are skipping content or zones that's a good thing?
DLC any mention of a test server to test dlc and give feedback before it reaches the game?
It really indicates cash shop and dlc will receive 100% of the resources.In the past games have always or at least usually given us some free content in between expansion packs,i don't see this happening at all with this setup.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Also I'm not talking about being legally fair. I'm talking about showing no loyalty to your past subscribers. Dirty business is what they are doing. A slap in the face to the people that supported the game.
Your stance sounds like Zen's. Stern and by the book, strictly business. It is too painfully obvious suits run this game not developers. Which is normally the case, but when its obvious that means they have disconnected from their customers. That is why I lost faith in the games future.
There are also people in the official forums lobbying for sub-only forums and all kinds of other sub-only perks. I don't share their attitude nor misguided sense of entitled superiority.
I'm just realistic. I know what I'm paying for and don't expect extra considerations for loyalty. And when they gift me something for my "loyalty" as a promotion, like all the pets and the upcoming mount I don't look at the gift and piss on them because I'm entitled to a better gift...it's a gift.
The 100 crowns per month subbed are just another gift. And the only two reasons they're doing that is to 1) get you used to having and spending crowns and 2) as a perk to entice players who let their sub lapse to come back.
They don't owe me anything and I don't owe them anything - that's the way I like it and that makes it a lot easier for me to enjoy the game.
If that's your opinion that's fine. I'm glad it helps you enjoy the game.
To me they used dirty business with bait and switch. Advertising one thing but giving us another. I can't so easily forget that.
I was happy to give them money for access, but only while the game was being improved. That is the reason I'm a fan of the sub model. It brings constant and unfiltered improvements. It wasn't part of the small print but it was what they were advertising. If they were forthright, I would be disappointed but not upset.
And please don't present my opinion as snobbery because I disagree with you (by association not directly).
I tried hard to make myself believe that I'll buy the game and enjoy it as b2p, but then I spend 5 minutes watching it on twitch and want to kill myself
All the idiots at Zenimax should have never been born.
Future content (not cosmetic and convenience items) can be bought in the crown store.
Does anyone else see the issue here?
So... if McDonald's decides they're going to give you a cheeseburger every month for free, you're going to see an issue because you had to pay for them when they weren't free?
Past sub value = you got to play the game when a sub was required... the 100 crowns are just a bonus.
That isn't the point I'm getting at.
These crowns buy you future DLC. The value of a new sub will afford them DLC while past subs will not.
If I don't spend another dime once its B2P then someone comes along and spends the same exact amount of money as I did in the past, they will also get several future DLC's included in that price. Zen kept subbers on by advertising this content for them.
I'm not worried about access, I'm worried that the money I've spent is being devalued.
I understand your perspective but that's not the way value and commerce work. When something changes price there is no entitlement to a refund or price adjustment for those who paid the old price.
The old cost of ESO was the box price + a monthly sub and if you wanted to play, that's what you paid. All the monthly sub got you was the ability to play for a month and not one single thing more than that.
The new price is just the box price. And in addition to that, if you want to sub they will give you some value for that sub, namely the 10% boosts, 1500 crowns and access to any DLC. That's what $15 a month gets you now that a sub is no longer required.
And sorry but no, subbers were not kept on to play future content. They were there presumably because the $15 was worth it for them to play the content that was already there. Anyone who was just there for future content should have just canceled and come back if and when the content they were interested in got added... many did just that,
As far as subbers staying on, I am going by what people have said on forums. They kept subbing because they believed it would help improve the game. It took a while before the game was even worthy of a sub. Zen should have been using that money to develop the content. Instead they are using it on cosmetic junk and holding that content behind a pay wall. Content that could have already been released. How long did they keep Tamriel Unlimited under wraps while they kept advertising spell crafting, the imperial city and other zones. Why would they do that unless they knew it was dirty.
Also I'm not talking about being legally fair. I'm talking about showing no loyalty to your past subscribers. Dirty business is what they are doing. A slap in the face to the people that supported the game.
Your stance sounds like Zen's. Stern and by the book, strictly business. It is too painfully obvious suits run this game not developers. Which is normally the case, but when its obvious that means they have disconnected from their customers. That is why I lost faith in the games future.
There are already comments by Zen strongly suggesting that PvP won't be part of the Justice system. I'd imagine that is because it will be free so the suits won't see a quick enough return. The game will wither to a shadow of their promises because it is strangled by strict business.
When your business starts to experience serious hiccups, yeah, SOMEONE has to start thinking about money.
Or do you prefer all games that switched models just shut down instead?
Or put on maintenance mode, with no new content just bug fixes here and there but still charging a sub?
And what loyalty? You got exactly what you paid for - access to the servers. Its long known sub money doesnt go to content development or "helping improve the game", thats why majority of people said f...k you to sub model. You paid for OH so EXCLUSIVE access to OH so EXCLUSIVE game. if you dont find THAT worth the sub - easy - DONT PLAY SUB GAMES.
Will these people ever learn? How many lessons do you need on this one lol
Any time the cash shop gets this involved, it's not a good sign. Elder Scrolls Online, deeply over complicated cash shop that removes time I could spend enjoying the game from the game. I do not find shopping to be a fun experience that adds to my overall enjoyment of any game. Furthermore, making a sophisticated cash shop is a definite sign that one should stay away from it, sophisticated cash shops are sophisticated so that you mess up on non refundable purchases, or purchase obsolete or irrelevant items, now you might say well that's your fault for not doing your homework, I would say you're are right, however because of that homework I simply will not play the game.
Originally posted by Holyavenger1 Any words on the box price changing? That's the biggest entry barrier to play imo and the reason I didn't give that game another try after beta.
Definitely not changing box price on Steam, retail of official site any time soon. You can get it for under $30 at key resellers right now. Incidentally, that means your B2P actually starts now as all game code currently include 30-days of game time too.
My biggest concern remains with the DLCs. If a level 1 player will be scaled up and able to do the content with no skills, gear, etc. then a VR14 with gold set gear, 300 skill points, stat points, champion points, etc. will utterly destroy the content and won't have any challenge. Max leveled players will get bored very quickly and will not buy further DLCs, and the game will lose players. ZOS, please tell us this is not what you want and that you will prevent this from happening in any way, shape or form.
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Originally posted by Holyavenger1 Any words on the box price changing? That's the biggest entry barrier to play imo and the reason I didn't give that game another try after beta.
Definitely not changing box price on Steam, retail of official site any time soon. You can get it for under $30 at key resellers right now. Incidentally, that means your B2P actually starts now as all game code currently include 30-days of game time too.
If they had made the game less shit they wouldn't have to go this route. Also, it's a nice big "fuck you" to players who started at launch: paid beta.....
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Fair enough and on the surface, I can see that... but then you start reading the posts and see just a repetition of the same myths about free players being a lower class of player (even though this is a B2P game, not F2P lol)... it definitely comes accross as self-entitled snobbery.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Two of the questions without knowing it actually baited some sad answers.
It sounds like cash shop content being at maximum every month likely more often,will get more attention than game content,which of course is one of the reasons these models are sad.If i was paying a subscription i would want 100% of the game NO locked out cash shop items.
Secondly they claim they made the decision on payment model based on player reactions and how they play.Well that indicates that a sub fee was not warranted because players were not playing enough to warrant a sub fee.Is that actually a good sign your game is enjoyed if players are not playing enough to warrant a sub fee?What other answer could there be when you say based on how players play?If they are skipping content or zones that's a good thing?
DLC any mention of a test server to test dlc and give feedback before it reaches the game?
It really indicates cash shop and dlc will receive 100% of the resources.In the past games have always or at least usually given us some free content in between expansion packs,i don't see this happening at all with this setup.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If that's your opinion that's fine. I'm glad it helps you enjoy the game.
To me they used dirty business with bait and switch. Advertising one thing but giving us another. I can't so easily forget that.
I was happy to give them money for access, but only while the game was being improved. That is the reason I'm a fan of the sub model. It brings constant and unfiltered improvements. It wasn't part of the small print but it was what they were advertising. If they were forthright, I would be disappointed but not upset.
And please don't present my opinion as snobbery because I disagree with you (by association not directly).
I tried hard to make myself believe that I'll buy the game and enjoy it as b2p, but then I spend 5 minutes watching it on twitch and want to kill myself
All the idiots at Zenimax should have never been born.
When your business starts to experience serious hiccups, yeah, SOMEONE has to start thinking about money.
Or do you prefer all games that switched models just shut down instead?
Or put on maintenance mode, with no new content just bug fixes here and there but still charging a sub?
And what loyalty? You got exactly what you paid for - access to the servers. Its long known sub money doesnt go to content development or "helping improve the game", thats why majority of people said f...k you to sub model. You paid for OH so EXCLUSIVE access to OH so EXCLUSIVE game. if you dont find THAT worth the sub - easy - DONT PLAY SUB GAMES.
Will these people ever learn? How many lessons do you need on this one lol
Definitely not changing box price on Steam, retail of official site any time soon. You can get it for under $30 at key resellers right now. Incidentally, that means your B2P actually starts now as all game code currently include 30-days of game time too.
https://www.g2a.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-key-global.html
Hmm that thing looks fishy.Why do you say they won't drop the price? Have they said so?
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I've bought the game few days ago from that same website/link. It's legit.
i forgot my security question came back after a long time away, ive all the rest of the info but i cant get playing f2p ....
thats sad and im not bothering anymore on this game