The MSRP sounds good. Relatively speaking - that is. I'm never really thrilled with a $1k video card, especially when we have been so used to top tier being $500-600... but I guess in for a penny, in for a pound if your in the market for a top tier GPU.
I will reserve judgement until I see what supply and demand does for that. Availability means a lot here too, not that I expect demand to be huge for a $1k card, but if this is a paper launch like the 680 was -- "released" in March, but you could hardly get your hands on one for several months after that.
I am impressed with a 250W stock TDP
Apparently it's available for sale on Nvidia's web site:
"24 GB system memory (48 GB or higher recommended)"
I don't know if that's a typo or what, but there's something severely wrong with a consumer graphics card that won't function properly in a desktop with "only" 16 GB of memory.
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My speculation is that Nvidia is doing this to rush the cards to market more quickly, as they can start selling cards immediately without having to wait for them to be shipped all over the world. Of course, this could turn into quite a fiasco if you buy a card today and it takes three weeks to get shipped to you because nearly all of the cards were in Taiwan when they went up for sale. And then the Radeon R9 390X launches before you get the Titan X you ordered, and you regret the purchase before you even have the card in your hands.
Will that actually happen? Probably not. But Nvidia has done crazier things.
Ill honestly be surprised if we see a 390x in the next 3 months. My guess is 4-6
I'd be surprised if it's not in the next three months; I'm expecting weeks as opposed to months, though it wouldn't be terribly surprising if it's two months or so. AMD has already shown off the card, and you usually don't do that several months away from launch; indeed, barring last-minute manufacturing problems, you can't show off a working card several months before launch because they don't exist. It's highly probable that the card will be on a mature, well-understood process node, so you shouldn't get manufacturing difficulties there. If the card has HBM--a big if--then it's plausible that trying to make the first commercial HBM controller could cause problems, though AMD has been the best in the world at high-performance memory controllers ever since they bought ATI.
Furthermore, AMD knows that they're behind Nvidia if you restrict to cards available at retail. Thus, I'd expect them to launch the card quickly rather than accumulating inventory until they can do a hard launch with a zillion cards available at retail. Given a choice between a soft launch (but not a paper launch) in two weeks or a hard launch in two months, they'd likely prefer the former--and that will hasten the launch date.
On the second, the Titan X is not a Quadro card, and the chip doesn't have the GPU compute stuff that they'd ordinary put into Tesla cards. It's a GeForce card through and through, and while there probably will be Quadro variants on the same GPU chip, the Titan X isn't it.
Originally posted by Timesplit Even if those things are true about AMD's next card, i'm positive that the TDP will limit its possibilities. I believe it's 2x as much as a Titan X is what the rumours are.
That's extremely unlikely. Even if AMD got no energy efficiency gains over what they had three years ago, they still wouldn't need double the TDP of Titan X to match its performance. And if AMD did need double the TDP of a Titan X to match its performance, it's very unlikely that they'd make such a card; they'd go with a slower, lower power card instead.
One can hope.
If the AMD rumours are true then the new card(s) - not available for another c. 12 months of course - will use the same cooling solution as that used on the 295. Is that because it is an excellent design - it needs to be - or because the new card wil, like the 295, require huge amounts of power.
As it stands under artificially high loads the 295 doesn't quite require twice the power of the Titan X. For many games however it is around x2.
As you say we can hope that this won't be the case - because its good for all of us if there is a healthy rivalry between NVidia and AMD; with Intel nipping at the tail of them both with their on-board graphics solution.
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I'd be surprised if it's not in the next three months; I'm expecting weeks as opposed to months, though it wouldn't be terribly surprising if it's two months or so. AMD has already shown off the card, and you usually don't do that several months away from launch; indeed, barring last-minute manufacturing problems, you can't show off a working card several months before launch because they don't exist. It's highly probable that the card will be on a mature, well-understood process node, so you shouldn't get manufacturing difficulties there. If the card has HBM--a big if--then it's plausible that trying to make the first commercial HBM controller could cause problems, though AMD has been the best in the world at high-performance memory controllers ever since they bought ATI.
Furthermore, AMD knows that they're behind Nvidia if you restrict to cards available at retail. Thus, I'd expect them to launch the card quickly rather than accumulating inventory until they can do a hard launch with a zillion cards available at retail. Given a choice between a soft launch (but not a paper launch) in two weeks or a hard launch in two months, they'd likely prefer the former--and that will hasten the launch date.
The first thing there is quoted for irony.
On the second, the Titan X is not a Quadro card, and the chip doesn't have the GPU compute stuff that they'd ordinary put into Tesla cards. It's a GeForce card through and through, and while there probably will be Quadro variants on the same GPU chip, the Titan X isn't it.
One can hope.
If the AMD rumours are true then the new card(s) - not available for another c. 12 months of course - will use the same cooling solution as that used on the 295. Is that because it is an excellent design - it needs to be - or because the new card wil, like the 295, require huge amounts of power.
As it stands under artificially high loads the 295 doesn't quite require twice the power of the Titan X. For many games however it is around x2.
As you say we can hope that this won't be the case - because its good for all of us if there is a healthy rivalry between NVidia and AMD; with Intel nipping at the tail of them both with their on-board graphics solution.