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Is the (soon) optional sub worth it?
Rzep
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Do you guys think the sub is worth it once the game goes B2P?
10% more xp, and some cash for what seems to be a cosmetics store does not really sound too good.
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Subscribing is just signing up to spend $15 a month in the cash shop.
If you would like the developer to maintain a sub focus, there will need to be more spending on subs, than the cash shop. If people stop subbing, then only the cash shop will remain, which will be the main focus.
Can you define a "sub" focus? It certainly doesn't guarantee content. Blizzard with their 14 month content holiday made that abundantly clear and Zenimax haven't exactly produced a great deal of new "content" since launch. Changes yes but not content.
And there is an alternative. Skyrim didn't have a sub or a cash shop. Destiny doesn't have either. Lots of games operate this way.
Zenimax produce content; people buy the content. Very simple. The way almost every product we buy operates.
Interestingly there is actually a "subscription" alternative. Nearly 2.5M people took it out for BF3. And EA made it available in Titanfall and BF4 as well. Not the old sub model - that Activision tried to roll out for CoD that withered and died but a new approach. One in which content was guaranteed. OK you have to trust that it will be "decent" DLC but it is guaranteed.
And this approach has implications for the company. No content holidays.
And when the launch goes bad you cannot say - as Carbine did for example "content cancelled" staff working on bugs or as Zenimax did "content now every other 6-8 week patch rather than every 4-6 weeks" they have to do what EA had to do with BF4. That is run two teams, one to fix the launch the other to produce the content.
1500 crowns at the start of each 30-day membership period
This alone is 15$ in the crown store as 1$=100 crowns, then on top of that you get other bonuses.
It is the very definition of worth it if you plan to spend 1500 crowns per month in the crown store and like extra XP and gold gains and such.
What other bonuses?
Everyone says the 10%'s are no big deal. And as of today there is no DLC and none is planned until after the console launch.
If you want to spend money in the cash shop then do so - you can do that without subscribing.
My "fear" is that by subscribing you are guaranteeing a $15 spend in the cash shop; and therefore guilty of encouraging cash shop fluff.
I would rather see content; the creation of DLC for people to buy. And encourage people to buy that.
Work on content .... or work on cash shop fluff. I know my preference..
Well i dont know why are they discontinuing loyalty rewards, lot of people bought game time cards for whatever days they needed to get 300 days paid for "unique" tiger mount ;P
They will also sell DLCs, something that Rift doesnt do, and if there will ever be expanson they will charge standard rate for it.
Also if we presume that they will sell crowns at 100=1$, if someone wants to buy crowns to get something from the cash shop theres no reason to not subscribe for that first 1500.
the way i see it sub=buy 1500 crowns and get some boni attached to it for a month
yes but eso is supposed to be b2p not f2p, i don't see why they have the sub option at all other than to just take peoples money that are willing to pay it.
at least until there actually are some DLC's that would make it worth it to more people.
You can also look at it this way: if they are getting enough money to make profit from initial purchases and ESO+ subs, they can make new quality content in the form of DLCs while having the cash shop as a side source of revenue. If, however, the company is not making enough money to sustain the game from subs & box prices, they have to concentrate on the cash shop more to make it more appealing and force people to buy there. Kinda like what happened in LOTRO - the cash shop seemed like a good idea, just selling quest packs and xp boosts. Now you can get stat tomes, legendary traits, crafting levels and other bullsh*t.
All pure speculation of course, but the point is - if the developer is making money on the game, there is little to no incentive for them to add more and more stuff into the cash shop and cripple non-subbed players' experience. Morale of this story? If you like the game, support the devs by paying the sub. This is what I'll be doing, at least...
Problem with Lotro was they were spending too much money on other stuff and Lotro money was funneling out of the game. Lotro also full on F2P. Lotro also had to find a way to appease lifetime subscribers once F2P happened. They gave lifers( i am one) way too much.
As for ESO I dont think the sub is worth it right now. Not until they get more stuff in the store. A year supply of crowns buys everything the store has to offer with some left over. Without any DLC yet then that means the only things sub gets you is crowns and bonuses, so a third (biggest third IMO) of what a sub gives you isnt in the game yet.
I like the game am glad they improved it and look to try and make it better going forward. People are obviously cynical by stores in MMOs but theyre going ot be the standard from here on out so eventually it will be a comparison game where games are judged by how little pay to win there is and how unnecessary store items are for game play.
Sad state of the genre but its the way it is going ot be.
If they were to offer a "premium subscription" along the lines of BF4 say it would be different.
In BF4 the premium sub gets you 5 quarterly DLCs for the price of 4. In the case of BF3 just under 2.5M people became premium subscribers; supporting the game.
Zenimax could offer something along the same lines. So many DLC drops for an upfront payment. For Destiny it was 2 drops; for BF4 5 quarterly drops; for Titanfall I think it was 3. Three studios, two publishers all offering the same type of subscription. Nearly 2.5M signed up for the BF3 subscription - and people say console players won't pay a sub. If the deal is attractive enough they clearly will.
This type of sub however - and EA count the revenue as subscription income in their results, it is upfront money for goods yet to be delivered - commits a company to actually producing content. No content holidays. No working on just mounts and costumes for the cash shop.
Are Zenimax unable to offer this type of subscription?
At current rate of 15/month that would mean they would have to release 5 DLCs in next 3-4 months.
The closest you will get to BF would be, sowhere down the line in about 2-3 years they offer bundled DLCs at 5 for 50 or some such ;P
Their current score is: 1 DLC in about a year and still counting
That changes when the Sub becomes Optional, since the whole point of them going B2P with the Cash Shop is the fact that even they don't think the game is worth paying for therefore they have to give you incentives to spend your money on it...
If they thought their game was that good, they'd have just stayed with the subscription model and pumped out more content updates to increase the value of the existing subscription.
OP
Only you know what kind of game entertains and satisfies YOU.
Personally I've given up on the game for the foreseeable future.I though the game would have WORLD CLASS faction conflict(after all the basic premise was DAOC in an Elder Scrolls world).
That is not what the developers decided to do.
Instead they made an action combat /twitch pve game with almost ZERO testing or development of the AvA(faction conflict feature).
I played my subscription for almost a year(just to help fund the console version development) and now I've walked away and have little interest if the game is free or subscription.I'm resigned to at least in the near term that the game will not entertain me.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
It's not that simple, with 40% it's possible that people burn through Vet content too fast resulting in a loss of subs instead.
i'm so sick of reading asshats using the term "pay to win". its not pay to win. i cant understand how people bitch about paying for a sub but also bitch they want new content. do you think this shit just gets pulled out of zenimax's ass? it costs money. if everyone wants to be freeloaders then where is that money gonna come from? buying the game? no. quit being so damn cheap and support the game you play or stop playing.
If they thought their game was that good, they'd have just stayed with the subscription model and pumped out more content updates to increase the value of the existing subscription.
you obviously didnt play the game. it had alot of issues. they heard the complaints of people wanting the game fixed before they kept adding new stuff to a broken game. so they focused on fixing the game. i havent played since then but ive read its alot is better. so i will resub if it plays better. i will support the game if i play it. be thankful there are people like me who support our games to keep em goin so freeloaders can bitch about what they feel they deserve to get for nothing
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
I didn't know the game was going f2p next week.