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I know that there are better sites than mmorpg for this question but I really like the comments that others have given for new setups.
I am looking to build a new pc and I have not done this in a very long time. I am not set on anything in particular although for some reason I just seem to really like the look of this case.
Case - Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition (VN10006W2N)
GPU - MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
CPU - Intel Core i5-4690K Devil's Canyon Quad-core 3.5Ghz LGA 1150
MB - MSI Z97 Gaming 5 LGA 1150 Intel Z97
RAM - 16GB HyperX Fury Black Series DDR 3 1600
SS - PNY Optima 480GB SATA III
HD - WD Black Series 3TB 7200 RPM
PS _ XFX TS SEries P1550SXXB( 550W
Cost is about $1,450.
So what does everyone think should I change out some items? Thanks in advance for all comments.
Comments
Where are you looking to buy parts? I'd like to see the prices you're paying for individual parts, as if you're getting a great deal on some things but paying way too much for others, there are easy ways to improve the overall build.
Why do you need a 3 TB hard drive? Maybe you do, but most people don't have any use for anywhere near that capacity.
Is the power supply any good? Maybe it is, but I don't see a decent review of it anywhere.
Quiz is right for asking where your buying from and what your paying.
If your asking will it all work together, then I am sure it will. If your asking if thats a good deal at that price, we have no way of knowing.
My opinion is that if your going to build a gaming rig then dropping a ton of money into a 480g SSD , 3tb HDD and 16gb RAM but getting a GTX 970 is off. I would go with a smaller SSD & HDD, 8gb RAM and spring for a GTX 980. There may be a reason i am unaware of why you need the extra storage and RAM tho.
Plus you are missing an OS and a CPU cooler, so tack on another $130+ to that price. Which puts you near $1600. On that kind of budget you have many options.
easiest thing to do is list your budget, where you want to buy from. Newegg, tigerdirect, amazon, ect. and let someone suggest a build or two for you based on that.
A buddy of mine have it and it seems to be working as intended but how long it lasts is unknown. He had it for a while and it at least isn't total crap like some are but since I don't have done much besides run a benchmark I can't give you much of a review.
I would rather get one of Corsair better PSUs myself and I would go for 650W or so instead of 550W, 550 should be enough but I prefer to play safe there (particularly since I have 5 harddrives of 14 TB altogether, I need more than 3 myself). Well, I actually have a 950W but I plan to use it for my next 2 or so builds in the future so I bought some extra juice if power consumption goes up or something.
OP: The parts are good, but you can get a somewhat cheaper media drive since it's speed hardly matters, a Green instead of black saves you some cash.
And consider a Corsair or OCZ PSU instead. A good PSU will outlast the rest of your computer and worth to put some money on.
The price seems a bit high, consider check around a bit and see if you can't get the parts cheaper. I think you should be able to cut 10% of it at least.
Here is 16GB RAM for $109
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568
A 3TB HDD for $100. Its 5400 speed but thats fine for bulk storage, with a 480g SSD for games it should do.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136874
That saves you almost $100 right there.
For $209 that case better make toast and massage my feet while I play to justify the cost
That's way too much to pay for memory, even if you want 16 GB. There's a shell shocker deal for this at the moment:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211897
But the $100 price tag won't last long. Failing that, you could grab this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231560
The power supply might be perfectly good. Or it might not. But on your budget, you can easily afford something where you don't have to wonder if it's any good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073
For the SSD, I'd sooner grab this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226673
PNY has actually switched controllers in the "same" model:
http://techreport.com/review/26664/alleged-bait-and-switch-tactics-spur-kingston-pny-ssd-boycott
Yeah, the Mushkin SSD has the same SandForce controller as PNY is accused of switching to. But at least you know what you're getting, and it will be fine. Cheaper than the PNY, too.
You should also be aware that buying a new computer usually means that the old OS license is not valid on the new computer. There are exceptions, but they're much less common than people who come in wanting a new computer but think they already have a perfectly valid OS license.
The GTX 980 is about due for a big price drop and soon, unless AMD's next top end card is a major disappointment. Right now, Nvidia is charging a big price premium for the GTX 980 on the basis that, if you want the top end card, you can pay what Nvidia is charging or do without. But it's not going to be the top end card for long, as both AMD and Nvidia have shown off new flagship cards coming soon.
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I wouldn't pay $200 for a case myself, but the original poster has a big enough budget that if he wants to spend it on a case he loves, I'm not going to argue against that. It's not like he's saying he can't afford an SSD because the case is eating all of the money.
True enough
But in the PC hardware world something is always just about to be released that is bigger, better and cheaper, Its always just around the corner from when you want to buy.
If he is willing to wait until the price drop then he can save some money. If he wants to buy something tomorrow then on a $1500+ budget I personally would get the top end GPU available today. Be it AMDs or Nvidia's top of the line card. Even at the expense of budgeting down to a bit cheaper of a case.
But it is his money to spend and these are all just our opinions in any case.
edit: I will have to say that is a pretty sweet looking case tho
There is a legitimate argument for going that route, though I think once you get into high end video cards, people overvalue the importance of extra GPU performance. Still, I can't recall another time when both AMD and Nvidia had shown off upcoming flagship cards that weren't yet available, so while there is always something better coming eventually, it's usually not this big of a jump and this soon.
You can always find something cheaper.
I don't get so hung up on getting something "the cheapest"
If the build makes sense, and your happy with the price - to me it doesn't matter if I could have saved $20 here or $40 there - the build is still the build, and I think I paid a fair price for it in total.
There are some people for which that absolutely drives them nuts though.
CPU: Intel has launched their new 6xxx CPUs. I'd recommend one of those instead of 4690K. That means you should also consider another motherboard + DDR 4 RAM.
SSD and hard disk: Not much development happened on those. SSD prices should have dropped though.
SSD prices have dropped like a rock in the last year. It's feasible to get very fast 1TB SSD drives now and not pay four-figures for them. I'm not saying to use them for bulk storage, I'm just illustrating that the prices have come down considerably.
Apart from Skylake CPUs coming out and using DDR4 RAM - not much as changed tech-wise. A lot of prices (particularly SSD and DDR4) have dropped considerably in the last year.
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Then if you want to OC youll look at
http://www.techpowerup.com/218376/asrock-unveils-sky-oc-technology.html
Other brands also did the same just didnt advertise it as much, and it is also available on non Z boards. But Z boards geenrally have better power regulation so some Z170 board will be great if you wan to go over stock i5-6600/6700 speeds 24/7. And you can get i5-6400 and OC it to your hearts delight.
if you dont want to OC save some $$ and buy 4690 non-k version nad cheapest B/H board.
Black series HDD is a waste, get blue or green. Youll run all HDD speed sensitive stuff from SSD anyway, black is just overpaying for storage space.
Youll also want to get DDR4 2666 or 2800 MHz RAM.
PSU is great and will run any single GPU setup, so, unless you are planning to do CF/SLI pretty much best buy choice.
Now this setup will actually last you a while. If down the road you want more SSD space you can easily get another 480/500 GB SSD.
It is with heavy heart that i say this cuz myself i was a HUGE Nvidia fan but now i think the future is AMD. They update their drivers even for old cards, BETTER DX12 SUPPORT (This is important), They have new technologies (HBM), they don't overprice their GPU's and they also don't get into shady practices that hurt the gaming industry (looking at you gameworks).
Intel i7 6700K 4.0 ghz
Noctua NH-u9S CPU Cooler
MSI Z170 Gaming M7 ATX LGA 1151 Motherboard
Cosair Vengeance 32 GB LPX DDr4-3000 (2 x16gb)
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 1TB SSD
Toshiba 4TB 7200 RPM HD (2 of them)
MSI Radeon R9 390 8 GB Vid Card
Thermaltake Level 10 GT Snow Edition ATX Full Tower
Cosair RM 750W 80+ Gold Power Supply
Windows 10
$2000 +/-
I can lower it some to get the price down and I truly don't need a beast and will not mess with alot of overclocking but I should be able to get a few years of life from this PC. My last PC made it 6 years.
One post I just made was about considering SATA M.2 a standard adopted August 2013 that is now happening.
The motherboard you have in the list supports SATA M.2. Double check though as there is M.2 (SATA), M.2 (PCIe) and M.2 (SATA/PCIe). The M.2 connector is common and I have seen sites incorrect descriptions on some sites. Check the m/f website. Basically manufacturers are replacing support for mSATA (the older standard) with M.2 SATA. If it supports mSATA it (amost certainly) won't support M.2 SATA.
Assuming it does you can look at M.2 storage solurions. Different offerings out there but some are much faster than SSDs and as this has become both the mobile standard and is also a server standard (albeit enterprise versions) "cheaper".
Initial offerings have basically been SSDs without the case - so no performance gain. Depending on where you are buying from though there are higher performing solutions available at lower cost. Also OEM solutions as well further reducing the cost. If it has to be 1Tb then the options are more limited but there is certainly a SanDisk 1Tb at c. 2/3 of the cost of the SSD.
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I agree a 390 is a good choice - especially if it's the same price or less than a 970. Whomever says the 970 is crap is ... full of it. Sure, it has that VRAM thing, but guess what, it's still a great performing card for the price in general.
Be aware, full tower is ~huge~. It makes the build very easy, but it's not necessarily something that will sit on your desk. There are a lot of full tower cases that won't even fit ~under~ your desk.
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I used the space for a custom water loop I was toying with, it made running the tubing a lot cleaner, but I did have to use a lot of various cable extenders, and it wouldn't fit on or under my desk because of my keyboard tray, and it stuck out the front where my chair would hit it.
I ended up pulling my desk away from the wall and throwing it behind there because it was so tall.
It's not necessarily a bad thing, if you need or want the space, sure. I have a full tower at work where we keep 6 3.5" drives in it, and is still wide open for good ventilation.
Most people can do fine on a mid-tower case (including most SLI 2x builds), save a few bucks, and still have plenty of room for a nice clean installation. But it's just a case, looks count for as much as anything and if you like the case go for it. I just didn't want the OP thinking they ~needed~ a full tower for any particular reason.