In any all elder scrolls games you have the freedom to pick from a variety of different skills. There are no classes except the one you create. There are different skills though which point you in a specific direction. For instance if you wnat a Paladin you take melee skills and restoration magic. If you want to be a pure theif you take all the theif skills. There are no restrictions on what you want to be. It also appears to follow the trend of make everyone DPS and allow them to heal/CC a little. The big choice in the game in terms of classes seems to be choosing what weapon you use yey (sarcasim). This again is great for the developer as they don't have to balance anything but is very artificial in terms of offering true variety of different roles in a game.
Early ES games had hard classes and/or templates. Only Skyrim is as you describe. You sure you've played any others besides that one?
And you either have never played ESO or you haven't figured out that it's not just weapons you choose lol. All classes have access to all weapons with their skill lines, all armor with passives and active skills, the Fighter's and Mage's guild skill lines, Undaunted skill lines, Soul, Werewolf, Vampire, PVP assault and PVP support skill lines, Legerdemain skill line...
As to "following the trend" to let everyone do everything... how would that be any different with no classes and your ability to choose all skills? So make up your mind... do you want hard classes or not?
And f you're going to talk about no need to balance anything... wouldn't that be more so if there were no classes? And while you're at it read the hundreds of pages of PVPers whining about balance and then tell us how there is no need to balance anything lol.
Lots of ignorance in the OP's quoted rant... and his fans comments.
Actually no they didn't. You could choose any combination of skills in both Morrowind and Oblivion. You might start with a template, but you didn't have to do so.
In terms of being able to choose and why it is important is this. If you want to be a pure thief that just steals things from people you could. If you wanted to be a pure fighter that bashes heads you could. If you wanted to be a pure mage who focused on CC you could. If you wanted to combine them together you could. Either way it provided a lot more freedom of choice and you could choose to play a distinctive role if you wanted to do so. Being able to choose to use any weapon or armor is not nearly the same thing. Even games with set classes like the OP metioned offered more real meaningful choices. The choies came at character creation, but choosing your race and class had a lot more impact on your character then the choices you get to make in ESO throughout the entire game.
Arena had hard-locked classes. Daggerfall was the one that started allowing more flexibility but you still had restrictions.
In ESO you have 10 abilities and 2 Utimate abilites you can slot.
Each class gives you 15 abilities and 3 Ultimates.
In addition to that, from non-class skill lines you have an additional 62 abilites and 7 Ultimate abilties.
Out of 87 total your class locks you into 18... that's 83% of the abilites that are not class-locked... sure, it's not 100% but it's one hell of a lot more than just "weapons" lol
The question is how many of those choices actually differentiate you characater. You you just be a pure healer. Can you just be a theif sneaking around and stealing stuff all day long? Can you just sit around casting spells all day and experiment with making new spells? It seems to me like the choices are all just how much DPS, protection you want and if you want to do it from range or up close. More or less it all comes down to DPS of different flavors though IMO.
I never played the first two Elder Scrolls games I'll admit.
Tons...lot's of unique and creative builds.
Pure healer...check.
Thief stealing... yes as of 2 weeks ago. Thieving and picking pockets from NPCs was introduced in 1.6
Casting spells all day...check. Spellcrafting not in yet but definitely coming... and I missed that in the later ES games too.
My Dark Elf Sorcerer from the very first one, Arena, is still to this day, one of my favorite RPG characters ever. Here's the description from the wiki:
Sorcerers
Sorcerers are a strange breed of magic users. They are those born with the potential of casting spells, but with no power to generate spell points internally. This does not make them any less powerful; in fact Sorcerers have the potential to be the most powerful of all the Mage classes. This is because of the unique way in which they manipulate magic. Sorcerers are in essence, magical ‘batteries’. They absorb spell points from spells that are targeted at them. Sorcerers may absorb up to 3x their INT in spell points. If a spell is absorbed, the Sorcerer takes no damage, but instead adds the spell’s total power points, divided by the Sorcerer’s level, to his/her own spell points. These points are permanent until used. If a Sorcerer fails to absorb a directed spell, they take the normal effects, whatever they may be. Sorcerers do not regenerate spell points and they do not absorb points from their own spells. If a Sorcerer has absorbed spell points to his/her maximum, he/she will be unable to absorb more spells, and will take damage from spells just as any other character. Regardless of these restrictions they have the ability to cast more powerful spells because when they are fully ‘charged’, they have more spell points than any other Mage class. They can therefore cast more powerful spells at lower levels, provided that the spell is in their spellbook. Sorcerers have a wide selection of weapons and armor, but cannot use shields. Without a charge of spell points, they would quickly succumb to attacks if they did not practice defending themselves.
Weapons: Any
Armor: Any up to Chain
Shield: None
Starting Health: 25 + d6
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In any all elder scrolls games you have the freedom to pick from a variety of different skills. There are no classes except the one you create. There are different skills though which point you in a specific direction. For instance if you wnat a Paladin you take melee skills and restoration magic. If you want to be a pure theif you take all the theif skills. There are no restrictions on what you want to be. It also appears to follow the trend of make everyone DPS and allow them to heal/CC a little. The big choice in the game in terms of classes seems to be choosing what weapon you use yey (sarcasim). This again is great for the developer as they don't have to balance anything but is very artificial in terms of offering true variety of different roles in a game.
Early ES games had hard classes and/or templates. Only Skyrim is as you describe. You sure you've played any others besides that one?
And you either have never played ESO or you haven't figured out that it's not just weapons you choose lol. All classes have access to all weapons with their skill lines, all armor with passives and active skills, the Fighter's and Mage's guild skill lines, Undaunted skill lines, Soul, Werewolf, Vampire, PVP assault and PVP support skill lines, Legerdemain skill line...
As to "following the trend" to let everyone do everything... how would that be any different with no classes and your ability to choose all skills? So make up your mind... do you want hard classes or not?
And f you're going to talk about no need to balance anything... wouldn't that be more so if there were no classes? And while you're at it read the hundreds of pages of PVPers whining about balance and then tell us how there is no need to balance anything lol.
Lots of ignorance in the OP's quoted rant... and his fans comments.
Actually no they didn't. You could choose any combination of skills in both Morrowind and Oblivion. You might start with a template, but you didn't have to do so.
In terms of being able to choose and why it is important is this. If you want to be a pure thief that just steals things from people you could. If you wanted to be a pure fighter that bashes heads you could. If you wanted to be a pure mage who focused on CC you could. If you wanted to combine them together you could. Either way it provided a lot more freedom of choice and you could choose to play a distinctive role if you wanted to do so. Being able to choose to use any weapon or armor is not nearly the same thing. Even games with set classes like the OP metioned offered more real meaningful choices. The choies came at character creation, but choosing your race and class had a lot more impact on your character then the choices you get to make in ESO throughout the entire game.
Arena had hard-locked classes. Daggerfall was the one that started allowing more flexibility but you still had restrictions.
In ESO you have 10 abilities and 2 Utimate abilites you can slot.
Each class gives you 15 abilities and 3 Ultimates.
In addition to that, from non-class skill lines you have an additional 62 abilites and 7 Ultimate abilties.
Out of 87 total your class locks you into 18... that's 83% of the abilites that are not class-locked... sure, it's not 100% but it's one hell of a lot more than just "weapons" lol
The question is how many of those choices actually differentiate you characater. You you just be a pure healer. Can you just be a theif sneaking around and stealing stuff all day long? Can you just sit around casting spells all day and experiment with making new spells? It seems to me like the choices are all just how much DPS, protection you want and if you want to do it from range or up close. More or less it all comes down to DPS of different flavors though IMO.
I never played the first two Elder Scrolls games I'll admit.
Tons...lot's of unique and creative builds.
Pure healer...check.
Thief stealing... yes as of 2 weeks ago. Thieving and picking pockets from NPCs was introduced in 1.6
Casting spells all day...check. Spellcrafting not in yet but definitely coming... and I missed that in the later ES games too.
My Dark Elf Sorcerer from the very first one, Arena, is still to this day, one of my favorite RPG characters ever. Here's the description from the wiki:
Sorcerers
Sorcerers are a strange breed of magic users. They are those born with the potential of casting spells, but with no power to generate spell points internally. This does not make them any less powerful; in fact Sorcerers have the potential to be the most powerful of all the Mage classes. This is because of the unique way in which they manipulate magic. Sorcerers are in essence, magical ‘batteries’. They absorb spell points from spells that are targeted at them. Sorcerers may absorb up to 3x their INT in spell points. If a spell is absorbed, the Sorcerer takes no damage, but instead adds the spell’s total power points, divided by the Sorcerer’s level, to his/her own spell points. These points are permanent until used. If a Sorcerer fails to absorb a directed spell, they take the normal effects, whatever they may be. Sorcerers do not regenerate spell points and they do not absorb points from their own spells. If a Sorcerer has absorbed spell points to his/her maximum, he/she will be unable to absorb more spells, and will take damage from spells just as any other character. Regardless of these restrictions they have the ability to cast more powerful spells because when they are fully ‘charged’, they have more spell points than any other Mage class. They can therefore cast more powerful spells at lower levels, provided that the spell is in their spellbook. Sorcerers have a wide selection of weapons and armor, but cannot use shields. Without a charge of spell points, they would quickly succumb to attacks if they did not practice defending themselves.
Weapons: Any
Armor: Any up to Chain
Shield: None
Starting Health: 25 + d6
It sounds like a step in the right direction.
What exactly is considered to be a pure healer? Is there a pure tank? Adding theif skills is nice, but the class is still basically a combat only class I would guess. Not a terrible thing, but it does restrict freedom of what you want to do in game if you don't want to just kill things. This is an issue with most MMOs though. Can you be pure CC?
To capture the spirit of Elder Scrolls I think you need to allow for a combination of any skills in game similar to Ultima Online. I don't think that is possible though. UO was probably more like the Elder Scrolls then ESO.
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
"This is not an mmo" ... Then what is it?
"This mmo sucks? ... So others not liking what you like are wrong but you are right?
I have read some very nice threads here at MMORPG.com lately but this thread reminds me that the bitter little mmo rejects still reside here without the ability to communicate like intelligent adults (because likely they are not adults ... simple fact). I do not speak of everyone here.
The very essence of what the definition of an mmorpg used to be was that you were thrown into a large fantasy world and were free to explore and do what you chose ... and now players use this definition against an mmo? Not being hand held and directed from hub to hub to hub until end game is now a negative feature?
What the fuck has happened to this genre? The state of mmos must truly be that bad where an entire generation of players have such corrupted vision. It makes me very happy that some of these new indie games where hand holding is minimal will be so utterly alien to most players that they will not play them. Instead a community of like-minded players may actually be allowed to enjoy a game they like. Of course these mmo forums will be ripe with "OMG this game sucks!1!" threads because evidently there are a lot of people who go home each day and shove food they can't stand in their mouths and hate the world for allowing such food to exist. Go buy and play what you like and leave others out of your rants or at the very least post intelligent and clear opinions without attacks and generalizations.
Wow that person spent more time writing that rant post than they spent playing the game.
Rant or no rant it's actually true, Eso is a poor excuse of an MMO.
This.
He figured out in 4 hours what it took many 400 hours to figure out.
The writing is terrible, the starting area is bad (should be obvious to everyone), the lore makes no sense.
Things that those leaving recently after having played since release also state for the most part, they only stuck around because they drank the Firor Kool-Aid that they were going to be able to relive DaoC's RvR that they view with rose-colored glasses on as being decent...not even that worked out with ESO.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
Some people dislike it intelligently for valid (to them) reasons. Others talk about drinking the Firor koolaid...yeah, there's a difference.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
they decide to become mindless ranters themselves when they state as facts their opinions on why they dislike the games. Disliking a game doesnt make the game an [insert nonsense here]
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
Some people dislike it intelligently for valid (to them) reasons. Others talk about drinking the Firor koolaid...yeah, there's a difference.
Coming from the person that said ESO will sell 10 million copies easily...
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
they decide to become mindless ranters themselves when they state as facts their opinions on why they dislike the games. Disliking a game doesnt make the game an [insert nonsense here]
There are 2 different kinds of facts. Personal and universal. Do you know the difference?
If I said Pizza is the best tasting food in the world, it IS true, even if you don't agree...just like if I said it was horrible tasting, your liking it does not make it false.
Its a personal truth, same with thinking a game is good or bad, your opinion does not override that of another and the person in the OP did NOT state that the game is horrible for EVERYONE.
Go back to school, ask your teachers to explain this concept to you again.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
Some people dislike it intelligently for valid (to them) reasons. Others talk about drinking the Firor koolaid...yeah, there's a difference.
Coming from the person that said ESO will sell 10 million copies easily...
i miss that guy knotwood. His posts would always cheer me up
There was another person that did that? Because Iselin also did it, started what turned into a rather long thread that provided many lol's. He did it to counter the people pointing out how unlike ES, ESO was and that it wasn't made for ES fans...clearly didn't fool anyone though as can be seen by the poor sales and poorer retention rate.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
they decide to become mindless ranters themselves when they state as facts their opinions on why they dislike the games. Disliking a game doesnt make the game an [insert nonsense here]
Now go back and list where he states anything as universal fact. In fact he goes into great lenghts to say what HE thinks.
Originally posted by Eladi Thats a Troll "review" and it seems to pull the trolls on this forum right in. :P
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
Some people dislike it intelligently for valid (to them) reasons. Others talk about drinking the Firor koolaid...yeah, there's a difference.
Coming from the person that said ESO will sell 10 million copies easily...
i miss that guy knotwood. His posts would always cheer me up
There was another person that did that? Because Iselin also did it, started what turned into a rather long thread that provided many lol's. He did it to counter the people pointing out how unlike ES, ESO was and that it wasn't made for ES fans...clearly didn't fool anyone though as can be seen by the poor sales and poorer retention rate.
Knotwood made deep analysis that proved ESO will have 20 million subs by the end of the year
Coming from the person that said ESO will sell 10 million copies easily...
i miss that guy knotwood. His posts would always cheer me up
There was another person that did that? Because Iselin also did it, started what turned into a rather long thread that provided many lol's. He did it to counter the people pointing out how unlike ES, ESO was and that it wasn't made for ES fans...clearly didn't fool anyone though as can be seen by the poor sales and poorer retention rate.
Knotwood made deep analysis that proved ESO will have 20 million subs by the end of the year
20 million!
Was he a new account? Trolling perhaps.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Coming from the person that said ESO will sell 10 million copies easily...
i miss that guy knotwood. His posts would always cheer me up
There was another person that did that? Because Iselin also did it, started what turned into a rather long thread that provided many lol's. He did it to counter the people pointing out how unlike ES, ESO was and that it wasn't made for ES fans...clearly didn't fool anyone though as can be seen by the poor sales and poorer retention rate.
Knotwood made deep analysis that proved ESO will have 20 million subs by the end of the year
20 million!
Was he a new account? Trolling perhaps.
Well, i guess those threads are still around if youre interested heh
"Lol. 10 million by the end of the year? Considering a 3-month retention rate >20% is considered excellent these days, it would take a hell of a lot more than 10 million to buy it to retain that many...
I wouldn't be too surprised to see a number close to that for box sales at some point... but concurrent subs? 2 million and they'd be ecstatic. "
I know eh? How amusing to remind me. But I guess you had nothing better. You must have really strained your brain coming up with the Firor koolaid bit before.
But by all means, keep trying... deflection works sometimes. You never know.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
"Lol. 10 million by the end of the year? Considering a 3-month retention rate >20% is considered excellent these days, it would take a hell of a lot more than 10 million to buy it to retain that many...
I wouldn't be too surprised to see a number close to that for box sales at some point... but concurrent subs? 2 million and they'd be ecstatic. "
I know eh? How amusing to remind me. But I guess you had nothing better. You must have really strained your brain coming up with the Firor koolaid bit before.
But by all means, keep trying... deflection works sometimes. You never know.
Underlined and highlighted in red for everyone's enjoyment. KOOL-AID!
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
"Lol. 10 million by the end of the year? Considering a 3-month retention rate >20% is considered excellent these days, it would take a hell of a lot more than 10 million to buy it to retain that many...
I wouldn't be too surprised to see a number close to that for box sales at some point... but concurrent subs? 2 million and they'd be ecstatic. "
I know eh? How amusing to remind me. But I guess you had nothing better. You must have really strained your brain coming up with the Firor koolaid bit before.
But by all means, keep trying... deflection works sometimes. You never know.
Underlined and highlighted in red for everyone's enjoyment. KOOL-AID!
"Wouldn't be surprised" isn't the same thing as "will sell", which you seem to think Iselin said.
Also you can't judge the sales of a console franchise on PC sales alone. At least wait for the console release. Which WILL dwarf PC sales. You can quote me on that.
Yup, this is a person who obviously has never played an MMO in his life(Edit: Oh, except GW2 I guess), and appears to not be mentally equipped to handle the learning curve, so he's throwing a tantrum instead of putting in any effort. Being someone into MMO's for like 15 years now, it's funny how this whole post comes off trollish to me.
"Wouldn't be surprised" isn't the same thing as "will sell", which you seem to think Iselin said.
Also you can't judge the sales of a console franchise on PC sales alone. At least wait for the console release. Which WILL dwarf PC sales. You can quote me on that.
Nope. Saying you wouldn't be surprised to 10 million in sales falls plainly into the Kool-Aid drinking category when it comes to ESO.
Also..when exactly did ES become a console franchise? Still some crazy amount of desperation on the part of those defending ESO........wow.......and how would one quote you on console sales being higher when the company hid the abysmal PC sales?
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
"Wouldn't be surprised" isn't the same thing as "will sell", which you seem to think Iselin said.
Also you can't judge the sales of a console franchise on PC sales alone. At least wait for the console release. Which WILL dwarf PC sales. You can quote me on that.
Nope. Saying you wouldn't be surprised to 10 million in sales falls plainly into the Kool-Aid drinking category when it comes to ESO.
Also..when exactly did ES become a console franchise? Still some crazy amount of desperation on the part of those defending ESO........wow.......and how would one quote you on console sales being higher when the company hid the abysmal PC sales?
So how abysmal was it? What orifice are you pulling your numbers from that allows you to call the numbers "abysmal"? Do tell...
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
"Wouldn't be surprised" isn't the same thing as "will sell", which you seem to think Iselin said.
Also you can't judge the sales of a console franchise on PC sales alone. At least wait for the console release. Which WILL dwarf PC sales. You can quote me on that.
Nope. Saying you wouldn't be surprised to 10 million in sales falls plainly into the Kool-Aid drinking category when it comes to ESO.
Also..when exactly did ES become a console franchise? Still some crazy amount of desperation on the part of those defending ESO........wow.......and how would one quote you on console sales being higher when the company hid the abysmal PC sales?
Since after Morrowind when the last 2 ES games were designed for consoles primarily.
Well, according to you they they haven't hid them, otherwise no sane person would claim they're abysmal!
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Tons...lot's of unique and creative builds.
Pure healer...check.
Thief stealing... yes as of 2 weeks ago. Thieving and picking pockets from NPCs was introduced in 1.6
Casting spells all day...check. Spellcrafting not in yet but definitely coming... and I missed that in the later ES games too.
My Dark Elf Sorcerer from the very first one, Arena, is still to this day, one of my favorite RPG characters ever. Here's the description from the wiki:
Sorcerers
Sorcerers are a strange breed of magic users. They are those born with the potential of casting spells, but with no power to generate spell points internally. This does not make them any less powerful; in fact Sorcerers have the potential to be the most powerful of all the Mage classes. This is because of the unique way in which they manipulate magic. Sorcerers are in essence, magical ‘batteries’. They absorb spell points from spells that are targeted at them. Sorcerers may absorb up to 3x their INT in spell points. If a spell is absorbed, the Sorcerer takes no damage, but instead adds the spell’s total power points, divided by the Sorcerer’s level, to his/her own spell points. These points are permanent until used. If a Sorcerer fails to absorb a directed spell, they take the normal effects, whatever they may be. Sorcerers do not regenerate spell points and they do not absorb points from their own spells. If a Sorcerer has absorbed spell points to his/her maximum, he/she will be unable to absorb more spells, and will take damage from spells just as any other character. Regardless of these restrictions they have the ability to cast more powerful spells because when they are fully ‘charged’, they have more spell points than any other Mage class. They can therefore cast more powerful spells at lower levels, provided that the spell is in their spellbook. Sorcerers have a wide selection of weapons and armor, but cannot use shields. Without a charge of spell points, they would quickly succumb to attacks if they did not practice defending themselves.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It sounds like a step in the right direction.
What exactly is considered to be a pure healer? Is there a pure tank? Adding theif skills is nice, but the class is still basically a combat only class I would guess. Not a terrible thing, but it does restrict freedom of what you want to do in game if you don't want to just kill things. This is an issue with most MMOs though. Can you be pure CC?
To capture the spirit of Elder Scrolls I think you need to allow for a combination of any skills in game similar to Ultima Online. I don't think that is possible though. UO was probably more like the Elder Scrolls then ESO.
^^ Finally someone said it!
And reading this thread just makes me want to give up on MMO's completely, sadly. And not because of the games.
I pity the Devs working on games today.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Yes indeed, the mindless ranters clueless to the fact differences of opinion and play styles create diversity and healthiness within mmos.
"This is not an mmo" ... Then what is it?
"This mmo sucks? ... So others not liking what you like are wrong but you are right?
I have read some very nice threads here at MMORPG.com lately but this thread reminds me that the bitter little mmo rejects still reside here without the ability to communicate like intelligent adults (because likely they are not adults ... simple fact). I do not speak of everyone here.
The very essence of what the definition of an mmorpg used to be was that you were thrown into a large fantasy world and were free to explore and do what you chose ... and now players use this definition against an mmo? Not being hand held and directed from hub to hub to hub until end game is now a negative feature?
What the fuck has happened to this genre? The state of mmos must truly be that bad where an entire generation of players have such corrupted vision. It makes me very happy that some of these new indie games where hand holding is minimal will be so utterly alien to most players that they will not play them. Instead a community of like-minded players may actually be allowed to enjoy a game they like. Of course these mmo forums will be ripe with "OMG this game sucks!1!" threads because evidently there are a lot of people who go home each day and shove food they can't stand in their mouths and hate the world for allowing such food to exist. Go buy and play what you like and leave others out of your rants or at the very least post intelligent and clear opinions without attacks and generalizations.
You stay sassy!
This.
He figured out in 4 hours what it took many 400 hours to figure out.
The writing is terrible, the starting area is bad (should be obvious to everyone), the lore makes no sense.
Things that those leaving recently after having played since release also state for the most part, they only stuck around because they drank the Firor Kool-Aid that they were going to be able to relive DaoC's RvR that they view with rose-colored glasses on as being decent...not even that worked out with ESO.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Amazing how "differences of opinion" never seem to include those that dislike the game...they are made into "mindless ranters".
One must wonder who is actually being mindless and clueless here.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Some people dislike it intelligently for valid (to them) reasons. Others talk about drinking the Firor koolaid...yeah, there's a difference.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
they decide to become mindless ranters themselves when they state as facts their opinions on why they dislike the games. Disliking a game doesnt make the game an [insert nonsense here]
Coming from the person that said ESO will sell 10 million copies easily...
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
There are 2 different kinds of facts. Personal and universal. Do you know the difference?
If I said Pizza is the best tasting food in the world, it IS true, even if you don't agree...just like if I said it was horrible tasting, your liking it does not make it false.
Its a personal truth, same with thinking a game is good or bad, your opinion does not override that of another and the person in the OP did NOT state that the game is horrible for EVERYONE.
Go back to school, ask your teachers to explain this concept to you again.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
i miss that guy knotwood. His posts would always cheer me up
There was another person that did that? Because Iselin also did it, started what turned into a rather long thread that provided many lol's. He did it to counter the people pointing out how unlike ES, ESO was and that it wasn't made for ES fans...clearly didn't fool anyone though as can be seen by the poor sales and poorer retention rate.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Now go back and list where he states anything as universal fact. In fact he goes into great lenghts to say what HE thinks.
Knotwood made deep analysis that proved ESO will have 20 million subs by the end of the year
20 million!
Was he a new account? Trolling perhaps.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
Well, i guess those threads are still around if youre interested heh
Oh you mean this post replying to Knotwood's thread?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6249451#6249451
"Lol. 10 million by the end of the year? Considering a 3-month retention rate >20% is considered excellent these days, it would take a hell of a lot more than 10 million to buy it to retain that many...
I wouldn't be too surprised to see a number close to that for box sales at some point... but concurrent subs? 2 million and they'd be ecstatic. "
I know eh? How amusing to remind me. But I guess you had nothing better. You must have really strained your brain coming up with the Firor koolaid bit before.
But by all means, keep trying... deflection works sometimes. You never know.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Underlined and highlighted in red for everyone's enjoyment. KOOL-AID!
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
"Wouldn't be surprised" isn't the same thing as "will sell", which you seem to think Iselin said.
Also you can't judge the sales of a console franchise on PC sales alone. At least wait for the console release. Which WILL dwarf PC sales. You can quote me on that.
Yup, this is a person who obviously has never played an MMO in his life(Edit: Oh, except GW2 I guess), and appears to not be mentally equipped to handle the learning curve, so he's throwing a tantrum instead of putting in any effort. Being someone into MMO's for like 15 years now, it's funny how this whole post comes off trollish to me.
Nope. Saying you wouldn't be surprised to 10 million in sales falls plainly into the Kool-Aid drinking category when it comes to ESO.
Also..when exactly did ES become a console franchise? Still some crazy amount of desperation on the part of those defending ESO........wow.......and how would one quote you on console sales being higher when the company hid the abysmal PC sales?
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
So how abysmal was it? What orifice are you pulling your numbers from that allows you to call the numbers "abysmal"? Do tell...
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Since after Morrowind when the last 2 ES games were designed for consoles primarily.
Well, according to you they they haven't hid them, otherwise no sane person would claim they're abysmal!