So the column is posted and clearly uses the word........and I quote........"RUMOR". So how is it that people can come in here claiming as fact it's Cryptic or it's PWE? I mean is this a rumor or not? If not, can someone please post their references?
Originally posted by rammur65 buncha free booting babies neverwinter literally has one of the less stress cash shop ever considering you can earn everything in the god damn game go do a few surveys earn some coins by just wayching a few lousy videos or convert gems and buy stuff ffs quit bandwagon bitching.
Pretty much what I said. It's a good f2p game. BUT if you WANT something quicker then you can earn it--- you do pay through the nose for it.
I'm sorry about Miller losing his job. I haven't really played STO in years, just couldn't stay interested after running through all the content. I hope he lands on his feet and finds a new job soon.
Neverwinter is the only MMO that still manages to capture my attention.
It has better action based combat than any of so called action combat MMOs (yes including GW2). Character building is more complex. And the story is by far best (especially if you love D&D). And it has player created content.
You can trade regular curency for premium one
You only need premium currency if you want to get best equipment in the game, which is not mandatory and game can be played easily with regular equipment. No other content is barred.
Remember its f2p game and they have to make money somehow.
The game is packed with players and very active as well.
It would really suprise me if the layoffs are related to this game.
I dont consider GW2 action combat, its a hybrid system and its not a good comparison with reticle based combat games.
I like Neverwinter but they killed the action when they decided to root range classes in place to appease the melee whiners that didnt want to be kited. Also having to maintain an enemy highlighted to cast a spell is bs, RaiderZ and ESO made the same mistake. That also takes away from the action when you suddenly cant use your abilities because you dont have a target. Its not a freakin tab target game, or i should say its not a real action combat game, just a tab target with reticle. But i still like the game, play on and off for the PvE and story since the pvp is p2w.
PVP is P2W , I agree. But who cares ? You are playing a PVP mod in what is a storytelling PVE game. Actually i am happy that PVP players are milking cows financing the PVE game.
As for rooting. Most MMOs do that. Otherwise what would be a point playing melee class? You either root ranged or nerf their damage. And I prefer the first option.
As for having to maintain target. Without this it would be no different than GW2 with tab targeting.
Originally posted by masonicone this is great news to hear. the sooner more p2w games shut down the better off we will all be. sto and neverwinter could have been so good if not run by pwi. the only people worse then pwi are eaware.
STO and Neverwinter (and CO) are run by Cryptic and not PWE, even less pwi And while I don't like every change got into the games after they went under the PWE umbrella, they're still cool games.
Even if I only have a PWE acc because of Cryptic and I never liked the other games they're publishing (except RaiderZ, that was fun), a layoff is never a "great news to hear". And if it affects the folks at Cryptic too, as Grakulen mentioned above, it's even more unfortunate. At least imo.
Cryptic is a wholly owned subsidary of PWE. It is a part of PWE, same as any other PWE developer studio.
It is correct to call STO and NWNO run by PWE.
It's up to the interpretation of "run by", and at least I added the imo at the end... In my eyes the devs run the games, not the publishers. So Cryptic games are runned by Cryptic, the mentioned RaiderZ is by Maiet, etc, and they're published by PWE. Just like TOR and TSW are not runned by EA, instead of Bioware and Funcom... (but true, PWE holds their developer teams on a much shorter leash)
It's off-topic anyways, I just wanted to correct the "sto and neverwinter could have been so good if not run by pwi" (STO was great before PWE too)
To the lay-offs, sad to see that STO is affected as well.
Originally posted by masonicone this is great news to hear. the sooner more p2w games shut down the better off we will all be. sto and neverwinter could have been so good if not run by pwi. the only people worse then pwi are eaware.
STO and Neverwinter (and CO) are run by Cryptic and not PWE, even less pwi And while I don't like every change got into the games after they went under the PWE umbrella, they're still cool games.
Even if I only have a PWE acc because of Cryptic and I never liked the other games they're publishing (except RaiderZ, that was fun), a layoff is never a "great news to hear". And if it affects the folks at Cryptic too, as Grakulen mentioned above, it's even more unfortunate. At least imo.
Cryptic is a wholly owned subsidary of PWE. It is a part of PWE, same as any other PWE developer studio.
It is correct to call STO and NWNO run by PWE.
It's up to the interpretation of "run by", and at least I added the imo at the end... In my eyes the devs run the games, not the publishers. So Cryptic games are runned by Cryptic, the mentioned RaiderZ is by Maiet, etc, and they're published by PWE. Just like TOR and TSW are not runned by EA, instead of Bioware and Funcom... (but true, PWE holds their developer teams on a much shorter leash)
It's off-topic anyways, I just wanted to correct the "sto and neverwinter could have been so good if not run by pwi" (STO was great before PWE too)
To the lay-offs, sad to see that STO is affected as well.
Cryptic is not separate independant company with PWE acting as a 'publisher'.
PWE self-publish STO and NWN. It self-publish it because Cryptic is a part of PWE not an independant company.
RaiderZ situation is diffrent because Maiet is actually a separate company NOT owned by PWE afaik.
Bunding TSW and TOR together is a mistake as well.
In TSW case EA merely acts as a publisher of TSW boxed version and Funcom is a separate company not onwed by EA.
In TOR case EA owns Bioware, and therefore is running and publishing TOR. Bioware is just a brand name owned by EA, it is not separate independant company and it is EA which is entity that overlord and makes decision regarding Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Swtor and all other games developed in studios that are named Bioware by EA. EA could make a decsion that since tommorow studio that makes Swtor is named Pink Elephant or could rename all EA studios to be named Bioware (they actually renamed some existing EA studios to Bioware name) because Bioware IS EA. It is one corporation. Not two separate ones.
Im sorry for the people effected by the lay off but this is common in the video game industry. No one writes headlines when they hire people, what gives?
Not at all surprised if it is true! I really am not! What with the most recent changes to STO Being a lifetime member I haven't logged in since the last idiot in charge told players they were exploiters for playing the game normally in order to progress with XP for specializations in Tau Dewa! And then there are the changes that made the most basic of functions in the game pay to progress, SKILLS. Seriously whoever is in charge over there who keeps replacing the dev teams leaders needs to themselves be fired because they have no idea what makes a profitable MMO.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Im sorry for the people effected by the lay off but this is common in the video game industry. No one writes headlines when they hire people, what gives?
When you build a new building, no one really notices.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Im sorry for the people effected by the lay off but this is common in the video game industry. No one writes headlines when they hire people, what gives?
When you build a new building, no one really notices.
When it burns down, everyone notices.
Its not even as big a new as building or burning down a building. In video games this is a constant. Its how things are made. This is more in common with putting on or taking off socks.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Im sorry for the people effected by the lay off but this is common in the video game industry. No one writes headlines when they hire people, what gives?
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Im sorry for the people effected by the lay off but this is common in the video game industry. No one writes headlines when they hire people, what gives?
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Im sorry for the people effected by the lay off but this is common in the video game industry. No one writes headlines when they hire people, what gives?
When you build a new building, no one really notices.
When it burns down, everyone notices.
Its not even as big a new as building or burning down a building. In video games this is a constant. Its how things are made. This is more in common with putting on or taking off socks.
The games industry can be a bit overly dramatic. When a new title is developed and launched there is often a reduction in the developers (because the product is out the door).... yet we constantly hear about how this has happened, often accompanied by prophesies of doom.
Not surprised and I'm sort of happy PWE is having financial difficulties. They are pretty much the company people mean when talking about how f2p is being done wrong.
I still play STO once in a while (mostly just during events) but I spend nothing, and over time I've seen how increasingly desperate they've become to get people to buy zen. I mean they're monetizing EVERYTHING.
Yeah, it hasn't worked. People don't see the desperate monetizing of everything and think "maybe I should spend money", they see it and think "this crap isn't worth it, I'm gonna play something else."
It's like that Star Wars quote: "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Keep squeezing your players for money and they'll start slipping through your fingers, and it's happening in a big way.
Want examples of cash shops done right? Path of Exile and right now Elder Scrolls Online (I say right now because it's brand new and might change over time). POE is mostly cosmetics and convenience, ESO is cosmetics, some convenience and eventually DLC/expansion content. STO reeks of desperation and I hear NWN's cash shop is worse.
I fear that people do not understand how this works. The aggressive nature of the cash shop is caused by the desire to justify the expense created by the staff. PWE is making adjustments to the staffing level, because expenses are too high. The US office will have to learn to operate at a much lower level and/or increase the aggressiveness of their sales strategy.
PWE is not hurting, they are just unhappy with the operations cost of the US office. This is similar to what has happened to Daybreak. It is not something unexpected, nor is it a reflection on PWE in general.
P.S. It appears that 18 People at Cryptic were let go (out of ~130).
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Did you happen to miss the link posted in the OP?
Pretty much what I said. It's a good f2p game. BUT if you WANT something quicker then you can earn it--- you do pay through the nose for it.
PVP is P2W , I agree. But who cares ? You are playing a PVP mod in what is a storytelling PVE game. Actually i am happy that PVP players are milking cows financing the PVE game.
As for rooting. Most MMOs do that. Otherwise what would be a point playing melee class? You either root ranged or nerf their damage. And I prefer the first option.
As for having to maintain target. Without this it would be no different than GW2 with tab targeting.
It's up to the interpretation of "run by", and at least I added the imo at the end... In my eyes the devs run the games, not the publishers. So Cryptic games are runned by Cryptic, the mentioned RaiderZ is by Maiet, etc, and they're published by PWE. Just like TOR and TSW are not runned by EA, instead of Bioware and Funcom... (but true, PWE holds their developer teams on a much shorter leash)
It's off-topic anyways, I just wanted to correct the "sto and neverwinter could have been so good if not run by pwi" (STO was great before PWE too)
To the lay-offs, sad to see that STO is affected as well.
Cryptic is not separate independant company with PWE acting as a 'publisher'.
PWE self-publish STO and NWN. It self-publish it because Cryptic is a part of PWE not an independant company.
RaiderZ situation is diffrent because Maiet is actually a separate company NOT owned by PWE afaik.
Bunding TSW and TOR together is a mistake as well.
In TSW case EA merely acts as a publisher of TSW boxed version and Funcom is a separate company not onwed by EA.
In TOR case EA owns Bioware, and therefore is running and publishing TOR. Bioware is just a brand name owned by EA, it is not separate independant company and it is EA which is entity that overlord and makes decision regarding Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Swtor and all other games developed in studios that are named Bioware by EA. EA could make a decsion that since tommorow studio that makes Swtor is named Pink Elephant or could rename all EA studios to be named Bioware (they actually renamed some existing EA studios to Bioware name) because Bioware IS EA. It is one corporation. Not two separate ones.
Same goes for PWE-Cryptic. One corporation.
When you build a new building, no one really notices.
When it burns down, everyone notices.
Its not even as big a new as building or burning down a building. In video games this is a constant. Its how things are made. This is more in common with putting on or taking off socks.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Bethesda-Hiring-Fallout-4-39919.html
http://www.vg247.com/2014/04/09/blizzard-trademarks-overwatch-is-hiring-for-unannounced-project/
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/72015
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/712818/dragon-age-3-is-in-development-bioware-is-hiring/
I stand corrected =-)
The games industry can be a bit overly dramatic. When a new title is developed and launched there is often a reduction in the developers (because the product is out the door).... yet we constantly hear about how this has happened, often accompanied by prophesies of doom.
Not surprised and I'm sort of happy PWE is having financial difficulties. They are pretty much the company people mean when talking about how f2p is being done wrong.
I still play STO once in a while (mostly just during events) but I spend nothing, and over time I've seen how increasingly desperate they've become to get people to buy zen. I mean they're monetizing EVERYTHING.
Yeah, it hasn't worked. People don't see the desperate monetizing of everything and think "maybe I should spend money", they see it and think "this crap isn't worth it, I'm gonna play something else."
It's like that Star Wars quote: "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Keep squeezing your players for money and they'll start slipping through your fingers, and it's happening in a big way.
Want examples of cash shops done right? Path of Exile and right now Elder Scrolls Online (I say right now because it's brand new and might change over time). POE is mostly cosmetics and convenience, ESO is cosmetics, some convenience and eventually DLC/expansion content. STO reeks of desperation and I hear NWN's cash shop is worse.
I fear that people do not understand how this works. The aggressive nature of the cash shop is caused by the desire to justify the expense created by the staff. PWE is making adjustments to the staffing level, because expenses are too high. The US office will have to learn to operate at a much lower level and/or increase the aggressiveness of their sales strategy.
PWE is not hurting, they are just unhappy with the operations cost of the US office. This is similar to what has happened to Daybreak. It is not something unexpected, nor is it a reflection on PWE in general.
P.S. It appears that 18 People at Cryptic were let go (out of ~130).
http://massivelyop.net/2015/03/17/cryptic-layoffs-alone-totaled-18-people/