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The achilles heel of console hardware. The loading times.

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  • General-ZodGeneral-Zod Member UncommonPosts: 868
    Originally posted by Sephiroso
    Originally posted by Howbadisbad

     


    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    Originally posted by General-Zod

    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    Originally posted by Reklaw And these loading times are how long? Are we talking 5 min, 10, 20 minutes? Or even les then a few minutes?
    Around 40 seconds  on average. In other games people accepted this..somewhat (Ihave seen complaints in other games too however). But in Bloodborne, where the player dies a lot, this problem is magnified, since each time the player dies, the player is hit with another load screen. Some people timed how much they were loading, some were loading 2/3th of the time they were playing.
    Instead of playing better people cry about the loading times, quite tragic...
    Has nothing to do with that. Bloodborne is a hard game, you're going to die in it, a lot. No matter who you are.

     

    Each monster basically swings at you, and you need to learn to step back and sidestep on every swing, it takes time to learn, since you need to learn the moves of monsters.

    Everyone who plays Bloodborne or Dark Souls, (they're from the same creators), will die in the game, a lot. It's just how the game was made.

    That obviously compounds the loading problem.


     

    You actually won't die a lot if you play carefully (esp in Bloodborne, jesus the healing is op in that game), the games are not hard, you are just not an unstoppable juggernaut of doom like the majority of games these days.

    I plan to do a no deaths run in Bloodborne as I have done in all the previous souls games. It isn't even some monumental achievement, winning a round in most roguelikes is far more difficult.

    I thought the half life 2 loading times were more annoying back when that was a new game.

    In the course of doing your no death runs, how many deaths did you have while training to completely master the game?

     

    Exactly

    I died very little...

    Smart people learn from their mistakes... geniuses learn from other peoples mistakes - ?????

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by General-Zod
    Originally posted by Sephiroso

    In the course of doing your no death runs, how many deaths did you have while training to completely master the game?

     

    Exactly

    I died very little...

    Smart people learn from their mistakes... geniuses learn from other peoples mistakes - ?????

    Didn't know you were a genius, obviously you do not care about load screens, by the time you have finished the game on highest difficulty, we are still plugging in our controller, wondering if the USB cable is up or down.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    But that is not the point of consoles is it OP? 

     

    Another, lets bash consoles, PC elitist post.

    No, sorry if it felt like that to you. I like consoles very much. Huge fan of Quantic Dream. When there's a few more games that interest me I might get a PS4. So far I just haven't been that impressed with the game selection,  there have been a lot of indie games that don't interest me, and not many good adventure or JRPG, that's all.

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,768
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    But that is not the point of consoles is it OP? 

     

    Another, lets bash consoles, PC elitist post.

    No, sorry if it felt like that to you. I like consoles very much. Huge fan of Quantic Dream. When there's a few more games that interest me I might get a PS4. So far I just haven't been that impressed with the game selection,  there have been a lot of indie games that don't interest me, and not many good adventure or JRPG, that's all.

    So your problem is with the games and yet you bash the technical aspects of the console??

     

    That does not make a whole lot of sense to me, sorry.

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    But that is not the point of consoles is it OP? 

     

    Another, lets bash consoles, PC elitist post.

    No, sorry if it felt like that to you. I like consoles very much. Huge fan of Quantic Dream. When there's a few more games that interest me I might get a PS4. So far I just haven't been that impressed with the game selection,  there have been a lot of indie games that don't interest me, and not many good adventure or JRPG, that's all.

    So your problem is with the games and yet you bash the technical aspects of the console??

     

    That does not make a whole lot of sense to me, sorry.

    I felt it should have supported SATA 3.0, I didn't bash the console, I said it's an achilles heel of the console, I'd say that's pretty accurate. Even if it's fixed in a patch, it might comes at a cost of detail, we will see what the problem of this particular game is, but in general, loading times of consoles tend to be rather slow for my taste.

    If that's "bashing the console" for you, that's fine, I have no problems with consoles, I think they're great money for what they offer.

    Regarding the game, it's too violent for me, that's just my opinion, especially the person on the cross I thought was over the top. But, I have no issues with other people playing the game, it's just not for me personally.

  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by General-Zod
    Originally posted by Sephiroso

    In the course of doing your no death runs, how many deaths did you have while training to completely master the game?

     

    Exactly

    I died very little...

    Smart people learn from their mistakes... geniuses learn from other peoples mistakes - ?????

    Didn't know you were a genius, obviously you do not care about load screens, by the time you have finished the game on highest difficulty, we are still plugging in our controller, wondering if the USB cable is up or down.

    If you are struggling that badly with bloodborne or a souls game then maybe you should stop running in thinking you can take every enemy head on and instead play smart. Its not like the mobs are subtle in their telegraphs.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Kefo

    If you are struggling that badly with bloodborne or a souls game then maybe you should stop running in thinking you can take every enemy head on and instead play smart. Its not like the mobs are subtle in their telegraphs.

    I have played Dark souls, I don't run into areas. (I won't play bloodborne, too bloody for me, personal opinion, no problem with others playing it)

    However, compared to other console games, it is harder I feel. Struggling? No. Harder? Yes, I'm not too proud to admit that I died a lot in dark souls.

    It's much more trial and error for me, it's not as easy as other games, and of course that will upset people who don't like loading times.

  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Kefo

    If you are struggling that badly with bloodborne or a souls game then maybe you should stop running in thinking you can take every enemy head on and instead play smart. Its not like the mobs are subtle in their telegraphs.

    I have played Dark souls, I don't run into areas. (I won't play bloodborne, too bloody for me, personal opinion, no problem with others playing it)

    However, compared to other console games, it is harder I feel. Struggling? No. Harder? Yes, I'm not too proud to admit that I died a lot in dark souls.

    It's much more trial and error, and of course that will upset people who don't like loading times.

    That I can understand but as others have posted I think that is the game itself and nothing to do with the hard drive. If people don't like load times then don't buy until it improves. Easy fix I suppose lol

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,768
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    But that is not the point of consoles is it OP? 

     

    Another, lets bash consoles, PC elitist post.

    No, sorry if it felt like that to you. I like consoles very much. Huge fan of Quantic Dream. When there's a few more games that interest me I might get a PS4. So far I just haven't been that impressed with the game selection,  there have been a lot of indie games that don't interest me, and not many good adventure or JRPG, that's all.

    So your problem is with the games and yet you bash the technical aspects of the console??

     

    That does not make a whole lot of sense to me, sorry.

    I felt it should have supported SATA 3.0, I didn't bash the console, I said it's an achilles heel of the console, I'd say that's pretty accurate. Even if it's fixed in a patch, it might comes at a cost of detail, we will see what the problem of this particular game is, but in general, loading times of consoles tend to be rather slow for my taste.

    If that's "bashing the console" for you, that's fine, I have no problems with consoles, I think they're great money for what they offer.

    Sure, I hate loading times too.  But lets face it, consoles have to cut corners.  The fact that consoles do so much for really what is very little money, is something to praise.

     

    But all you seem to focus on is why don't they have this or that.  And it is a simple answer.  Because then they would be PC's and and not consoles.

     

    Consoles do not have an "Achilles heel"  They are budget gaming machines that provide very good value for the money.   If you want more than that, then that is why you have a PC. 

     

    Again, if the games were your problem you should have stated as much.  This thread comes off as a "consoles suck"  type of thread and I reserve the right to disagree with that.

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    Sure, I hate loading times too.  But lets face it, consoles have to cut corners.  The fact that consoles do so much for really what is very little money, is something to praise.

     

    But all you seem to focus on is why don't they have this or that.  And it is a simple answer.  Because then they would be PC's and and not consoles.

     

    Consoles do not have an "Achilles heel"  They are budget gaming machines that provide very good value for the money.   If you want more than that, then that is why you have a PC. 

     

    Again, if the games were your problem you should have stated as much.  This thread comes off as a "consoles suck"  type of thread and I reserve the right to disagree with that.

    Almost all my favorite games are console games. Shining Force, Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Suikoden, Valkyria Chronicles, Journey, etc.

    As you can see, I like consoles just fine, why not PS4 (yet), because as you can see, not many games in my favorite genre have come out yet. Not that many JRPG. So far I have seen many sports games, many indie, etc. Why I am hesitant to buy one atm, by the time a game I really want comes out, maybe there will be a PS4 slim.

    Noticed Tekken will get 2 new characters yesterday, maybe interesting, will have to see.

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,768
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    Sure, I hate loading times too.  But lets face it, consoles have to cut corners.  The fact that consoles do so much for really what is very little money, is something to praise.

     

    But all you seem to focus on is why don't they have this or that.  And it is a simple answer.  Because then they would be PC's and and not consoles.

     

    Consoles do not have an "Achilles heel"  They are budget gaming machines that provide very good value for the money.   If you want more than that, then that is why you have a PC. 

     

    Again, if the games were your problem you should have stated as much.  This thread comes off as a "consoles suck"  type of thread and I reserve the right to disagree with that.

    Almost all my favorite games are console games. Shining Force, Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Suikoden, Valkyria Chronicles, Journey, etc.

    As you can see, I like consoles just fine, why not PS4 (yet), because as you can see, not many games in my favorite genre have come out yet. Not that many JRPG. So far I have seen many sports games, many indie, etc. Why I am hesitant to buy one atm, by the time a game I really want comes out, maybe there will be a PS4 slim.

    Noticed Tekken will get 2 new characters yesterday, maybe interesting, will have to see.

    Ha, thats funny!  I am playing Shining Force as we speak. image

     

    Got it off Steam.    Ok, at least we agree on something! image

     

    Actually played it on my old Genesis, so this is just my rose coloured nostalgia trip! image

     

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    Sure, I hate loading times too.  But lets face it, consoles have to cut corners.  The fact that consoles do so much for really what is very little money, is something to praise.

     

    But all you seem to focus on is why don't they have this or that.  And it is a simple answer.  Because then they would be PC's and and not consoles.

     

    Consoles do not have an "Achilles heel"  They are budget gaming machines that provide very good value for the money.   If you want more than that, then that is why you have a PC. 

     

    Again, if the games were your problem you should have stated as much.  This thread comes off as a "consoles suck"  type of thread and I reserve the right to disagree with that.

    Almost all my favorite games are console games. Shining Force, Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Suikoden, Valkyria Chronicles, Journey, etc.

    As you can see, I like consoles just fine, why not PS4 (yet), because as you can see, not many games in my favorite genre have come out yet. Not that many JRPG. So far I have seen many sports games, many indie, etc. Why I am hesitant to buy one atm, by the time a game I really want comes out, maybe there will be a PS4 slim.

    Noticed Tekken will get 2 new characters yesterday, maybe interesting, will have to see.

    Ha, thats funny!  I am playing Shining Force as we speak. image

     

    Got it off Steam.    Ok, at least we agree on something! image

     

    Actually played it on my old Genesis, so this is just my rose coloured nostalgia trip! image

     

    Shining force is nice, I should have said Shining Force 2, I kinda prefer it. But yah, great series.

    I had it on my sega console, now I have it on my PS3, I have the Sega collector's edition, it has like 20 Sega games.

    This:

  • BoneserinoBoneserino Member UncommonPosts: 1,768
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    Sure, I hate loading times too.  But lets face it, consoles have to cut corners.  The fact that consoles do so much for really what is very little money, is something to praise.

     

    But all you seem to focus on is why don't they have this or that.  And it is a simple answer.  Because then they would be PC's and and not consoles.

     

    Consoles do not have an "Achilles heel"  They are budget gaming machines that provide very good value for the money.   If you want more than that, then that is why you have a PC. 

     

    Again, if the games were your problem you should have stated as much.  This thread comes off as a "consoles suck"  type of thread and I reserve the right to disagree with that.

    Almost all my favorite games are console games. Shining Force, Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon, Suikoden, Valkyria Chronicles, Journey, etc.

    As you can see, I like consoles just fine, why not PS4 (yet), because as you can see, not many games in my favorite genre have come out yet. Not that many JRPG. So far I have seen many sports games, many indie, etc. Why I am hesitant to buy one atm, by the time a game I really want comes out, maybe there will be a PS4 slim.

    Noticed Tekken will get 2 new characters yesterday, maybe interesting, will have to see.

    Ha, thats funny!  I am playing Shining Force as we speak. image

     

    Got it off Steam.    Ok, at least we agree on something! image

     

    Actually played it on my old Genesis, so this is just my rose coloured nostalgia trip! image

     

    Shining force is nice, I should have said Shining Force 2, I kinda prefer it. But yah, great series.

    I have it on my PS3, I have the Sega collector's edition, it has like 20 Sega games.

    Well to me a game is a game, I don't care if it is console or PC, just that it is enjoyable.   And it is good to spend time with old friends.

     

    Also, I did play both.  Once you play one, you only want more! 

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