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Markee Dragon Interview

JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
in The Pub at MMORPG.COM

Not sure why other thread was locked and mod confusing the markee dragon video information with information they think is tainted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDo3YtgjwUo

 

Everything I said in the locked thread that made mod uncomfortable is saids here in this video by jason p- A video you had no problem with while greed monger was promoted and any other time I am aware of until now because of its edgy drama.

 

From drama filled post ' Yes...But remember, Jason Claimed he was rich and was making this by himself, had turned down investors (they were beating on his door) and he owned $50,000 in dedicated servers in a colo facility. he claimed "this is getting built without KS" and the crowdfunding was supposed to gauge "interest" have a dedicated community and speed things up. he also had a super rich friend (like a fatherto him) that woiuld step in to fund it if needed.

Appleton had everything covered. The game was being built without KS.

The backers were foolish )(yes) but Appleton had a good presentation and is a slick marketer. He a smart guy. IHe knew how to play up the community. They bought into the tale he spun. Its not as simple as you are presenting.

 

All this is in the posted video

Comments

  • Unknown

    Locking these greedmonger threads is counterproductive.  If you hide malfeasance you destroy your own reputation by doing so.  Pretending nothing is going on is essentially being an accomplice to lynig by ommision

     

    If you maintain your honor/reputation/etc through correct behavior non-crooked MMO companies will be that much more interested in playing ball because they people don't completely dismiss your crooked-ass.

     

    If you are a puppet your value is low.  At best your are just a middleman distributor.

     

    Grow some balls and increase your value.  Yes I know you will probably ban me for giving you good advice.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140

    All I will add- In general- Is that its time for gaming "journalist's" to start being journalists. These videos and websites etc help with the hype train but never ask hard questions nor demand accountability when some clear dumb fuckery is happening.

    This would have went on forever - years. And would have been totally forgotten.

     

    Not one journalist attempted to revisit greed monger almost 3 years after having hpyped it.

     

    /Rant off 

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    Many forums, including this one, don't like flame wars.  That's why they ban discussion of politics and religion, for example:  it's not that they're against your personal political or religious views.  It's that open discussions of them on the Internet tend to turn into heated flame wars if you don't have some nice way to restrict the discussion to mature participants.  Which forums like this one don't.

    And they also don't like lawsuits, as Jason Appleton has threatened to sue over criticism.  This site isn't exactly making billions of dollars per year to have the ability to brush off frivolous lawsuits as a rounding error in their revenue.  I don't know what their revenue numbers look like, but considering that they're not charging anyone but the advertisers, it's probably not that much.  Lawyers can get very expensive, very fast.

    So no, the thread locks aren't some pro-Greed Monger conspiracy trying to cover up misdeeds.  They're about trying to maintain a healthy forum to talk about MMORPGs.

  • Dexter2010Dexter2010 Member UncommonPosts: 244
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Many forums, including this one, don't like flame wars.  That's why they ban discussion of politics and religion, for example:  it's not that they're against your personal political or religious views.  It's that open discussions of them on the Internet tend to turn into heated flame wars if you don't have some nice way to restrict the discussion to mature participants.  Which forums like this one don't.

    And they also don't like lawsuits, as Jason Appleton has threatened to sue over criticism.  This site isn't exactly making billions of dollars per year to have the ability to brush off frivolous lawsuits as a rounding error in their revenue.  I don't know what their revenue numbers look like, but considering that they're not charging anyone but the advertisers, it's probably not that much.  Lawyers can get very expensive, very fast.

    So no, the thread locks aren't some pro-Greed Monger conspiracy trying to cover up misdeeds.  They're about trying to maintain a healthy forum to talk about MMORPGs.

    In that case, no GM discussion should be permitted at all but it has been.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Many forums, including this one, don't like flame wars.  That's why they ban discussion of politics and religion, for example:  it's not that they're against your personal political or religious views.  It's that open discussions of them on the Internet tend to turn into heated flame wars if you don't have some nice way to restrict the discussion to mature participants.  Which forums like this one don't.

    And they also don't like lawsuits, as Jason Appleton has threatened to sue over criticism.  This site isn't exactly making billions of dollars per year to have the ability to brush off frivolous lawsuits as a rounding error in their revenue.  I don't know what their revenue numbers look like, but considering that they're not charging anyone but the advertisers, it's probably not that much.  Lawyers can get very expensive, very fast.

    So no, the thread locks aren't some pro-Greed Monger conspiracy trying to cover up misdeeds.  They're about trying to maintain a healthy forum to talk about MMORPGs.

    Then stop ALL discussion And if something interesting happens to develop over the next week or two- DO NOT REPORT IT!!!!!!!!!!!

    The post I made was merely outlining the information JASON APPLETON himself gave to markee dragon while the Kickstart was ongoing. The information (and the very video) has been posted here. If you are afraid of a lawsuit for someone reiterating jason appletons own words with markee dragon- idk mmorpg.com...idk...

    You people had no problem with that same information while mmorpg.com was being used as a platform to milk money from this community. OUR community. Yet we are left in the cold when answers are demanded and discussion is censored to the point of pointlessness.

     

    As another poster said- grow some balls. You gave this guy a platform and an entire FORUM during the kickstart. YOU helped this to happen. The information I posted that NOW gets a thread locked got mmorpg.com to trust Apopleton enough to hand him a forum without having a game.

     

    I hope you take your own advice- Stop all discussion and do not report any potential developments. Wouldnt want anyone getting sued.

     

    -I guess developers should take note-Say anything you want in interviews, lie and use mmorpg.com as a platform for hype THEN threaten lawsuits and go hide. Mmorpg.com will just pretend it never happened and go on to give a platform for new hype. Nobody will be accountable and your own words (used to drum up the $$$) will cause threads to get locked.

    EDIT- Jason has alot going on right now- This website is waaaay down at the bottom of his list. You people have handled him with kidd gloves. If not for the way conversation has been handled here we would have had answers along time ago without the need for things to go down as they have. Someone needed to do something. All that was happening here is that GM was being shielded and damn near protected from scrutiny. Everytime we started getting close to getting answers the thread was locked and posts taken away/edited/lost in the void. Trust me, you are low on his list- he isnt going to sue anyone. he just wants this to quietly go away before this gets bigger than it already is.

     

     

  • Unknown
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Many forums, including this one, don't like flame wars.  That's why they ban discussion of politics and religion, for example:  it's not that they're against your personal political or religious views.  It's that open discussions of them on the Internet tend to turn into heated flame wars if you don't have some nice way to restrict the discussion to mature participants.  Which forums like this one don't.

    And they also don't like lawsuits, as Jason Appleton has threatened to sue over criticism.  This site isn't exactly making billions of dollars per year to have the ability to brush off frivolous lawsuits as a rounding error in their revenue.  I don't know what their revenue numbers look like, but considering that they're not charging anyone but the advertisers, it's probably not that much.  Lawyers can get very expensive, very fast.

    So no, the thread locks aren't some pro-Greed Monger conspiracy trying to cover up misdeeds.  They're about trying to maintain a healthy forum to talk about MMORPGs.

    You seriously think this is an adequate excuse to ignore actual facts?  I find that disgusting.  There are real events going on, one can have whatever opinion they want, but there are developing event  and real facts.

     

    When so called "journalists" ignore and do not report on actual facts and events.  When they suppress discussion about facts and events then they are nothing but whores and hypocrites.

     

    Jason Appleton is a headcase.  Hey you know fine let's just turn this around.

     

    Bill I will sue you if you lock any more Greedmonger threads.  You are obviously in on this scam with Jason Appleton and are therfore an accomplice and clearly cupable in a court of law.

     

    Expect to hear from my lawyers for EACH thread you lock.

     

    Its turtles all the way down, boys.  God the excuses people make to themselves to be happy in their ignorance.

  • JacxolopeJacxolope Member UncommonPosts: 1,140
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Jacxolope
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Many forums, including this one, don't like flame wars.  That's why they ban discussion of politics and religion, for example:  it's not that they're against your personal political or religious views.  It's that open discussions of them on the Internet tend to turn into heated flame wars if you don't have some nice way to restrict the discussion to mature participants.  Which forums like this one don't.

    And they also don't like lawsuits, as Jason Appleton has threatened to sue over criticism.  This site isn't exactly making billions of dollars per year to have the ability to brush off frivolous lawsuits as a rounding error in their revenue.  I don't know what their revenue numbers look like, but considering that they're not charging anyone but the advertisers, it's probably not that much.  Lawyers can get very expensive, very fast.

    So no, the thread locks aren't some pro-Greed Monger conspiracy trying to cover up misdeeds.  They're about trying to maintain a healthy forum to talk about MMORPGs.

    Then stop ALL discussion And if something interesting happens to develop over the next week or two- DO NOT REPORT IT!!!!!!!!!!!

    Make your own successful website and forums and make your own rules. You can decide what should be reported on and how and what sort of litigation you're willing to take on and how you develop relations with the industry itself.

    Look, it's their site and they decided an open thread is enough. It's their call, not yours. I don't see how the guy deserves more than that much attention anyway, but whatever. Tilt at the windmill of your choice I guess.

    I can tell you though that if you don't respect their choice, reopen threads, and push issues you'll only end up bringing conflict on yourself with the moderators and administrators. It's not really worth it.

    Then im banned. Thats the worst that happens.

    I dont want to get a ban, I like it here and have been a good member for some time. If I cannot point out hypocricy when its this blatant then the censorship is far too much for me and it is time to move on.

    Time for accountability. If that accountability means they ban and lose me as a member- I'm sorry thats how it has to happen. Ive already put myself out to this fabled litigation. Far more than anyone else has except for another site (I cannot name) who is willing to protect what needs to come out. This is all still fairly contained right now and all the players have not entered the game.

     

    Heres someone else who is now really putting themselves out for the fabled litigation in a major way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isX0AqPaP7w

    The people who helped hype this have been strangely silent for 3 years and now people (not LLC websites with limited liability and sponsors) have started the ball rolling to get answers.

    So if they chose to ban me for asking sensible questions here. We part ways.

  • Unknown
    Originally posted by Torval
    Originally posted by Jacxolope
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Many forums, including this one, don't like flame wars.  That's why they ban discussion of politics and religion, for example:  it's not that they're against your personal political or religious views.  It's that open discussions of them on the Internet tend to turn into heated flame wars if you don't have some nice way to restrict the discussion to mature participants.  Which forums like this one don't.

    And they also don't like lawsuits, as Jason Appleton has threatened to sue over criticism.  This site isn't exactly making billions of dollars per year to have the ability to brush off frivolous lawsuits as a rounding error in their revenue.  I don't know what their revenue numbers look like, but considering that they're not charging anyone but the advertisers, it's probably not that much.  Lawyers can get very expensive, very fast.

    So no, the thread locks aren't some pro-Greed Monger conspiracy trying to cover up misdeeds.  They're about trying to maintain a healthy forum to talk about MMORPGs.

    Then stop ALL discussion And if something interesting happens to develop over the next week or two- DO NOT REPORT IT!!!!!!!!!!!

    Make your own successful website and forums and make your own rules. You can decide what should be reported on and how and what sort of litigation you're willing to take on and how you develop relations with the industry itself.

    Look, it's their site and they decided an open thread is enough. It's their call, not yours. I don't see how the guy deserves more than that much attention anyway, but whatever. Tilt at the windmill of your choice I guess.

    I can tell you though that if you don't respect their choice, reopen threads, and push issues you'll only end up bringing conflict on yourself with the moderators and administrators. It's not really worth it.

    Nah, I like having a spine.  I like my balls too, I think I will keep em.  I guess you guys are fine doing without those sorts of things.  I like mine though they help with a little thing I call self-respect.

     

    Good luck with that!

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