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Nexon caught being naughty
rojoArcueid
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Not sure if this is the right place to post it, didnt see another post about it so here it goes.
http://kotaku.com/getting-caught-using-diablo-iii-art-makes-nexon-very-so-1701177428
This shameless copying is getting out of hand. I know of three occasions where Nexon did this. The victoria Secret armor thing, a straight rip off from Dark Souls' scene opening the gate to the Asylum demon, and now this with Diablo 3.
R2games also did the same with a picture of War from Darksiders on his horse.
I can just laugh at all this.
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From what I understand it's not a big deal over there. Many companies freely borrow the work of other companys.
I remember speaking to a gm from Lineage 2 who told me that in the early development they had sent (I presume NC West?) a poster for Lineage 2. However, the front and center image was one of the Star Wars characters. They were told "you can't do this" and of course they were confused as to "why"?
It's kind of interesting to note that there was a time in history in the west when "copying" musical motifs was considered "ok". This was more in the renaissance, especially with Parody Masses.
I wonder if they do this because it's cultural or if maybe they prefer to concentrate on other things and borrowing certain concepts is just expedient.
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Creativity is discouraged here in East Asia. The educational system is based on rote memorization. Conformity is rewarded and being creative is discouraged and even punished. People are just trying to survive and mainly just care about grabbing a quick buck and moving on.
I'm more talking about Korea and China than about Japan. If you look at the recent decades of affluence, creativity in East Asia is based on the luxury of having money. Japan then South Korea then China. It's just a combination of culture and economics. Things will likely change in ways difficult to imagine in the coming decades. More creativity is emerging, but it's still a tough environment. Fr now games and art are not taken seriously outside of their ability to make hard cold cash quickly.
That's why there still isn't much architecture here. There are lots of concrete block buildings. They don't remodel. When a building gets old or the property value in the area goes up enough, they just tear it down and replace it with a bigger one.
That would explain why people over there continue to play the grindfest games that get churned out over there, and why those games do so poorly over here.
>kotaku
http://www.donotlink.com/framed?64413
what? It is stealing everywhere in the world. There is no "cultural difference in China and Korea". Go ask people if it is stealing, everyone will say yes, including in China / Korea, etc.
Do people steal content from Western companies there? Yes. But it is frowned upon just as much, it's not a cultural difference. That would be like saying the mafia in Italy is a "cultural difference" when they steal from construction. That crime is somehow inherent to Italian culture.
Every italian will disagree with you, and every person in Korea and China knows that taking other people's work and profiting from it is wrong. It does not take a degree in ethics to know this. It's not a cultural difference, it is stealing!
Stealing is stealing, there is no cultural ambiguity about this word when taking someone else's work and making a profit from it.
It might be condoned because the Western company doesn't immediately sue, but that doesn't make it a cultural difference.
Everyone knows it is wrong.
I have lived in China a long time, it is not a cultural problem. Stealing is not a cultural problem in Korea / Japan / China. Just like the Italian mafia is not a cultural problem.
Don't tie people doing wrong together with a culture. Stealing and profiting from other people's work, has nothing to do with Korea's culture.
There is no cultural tradition to steal, all of these things are related to individuals who think they are above the law.
Stealing happens everywhere in the world, and everywhere in the world, people know it's morally wrong.
All WTO members are subject to copyright law. If it is enforced or not is another matter, but there is copyright in all advanced civilisations, that is one of the requirements of joining the WTO.
What people are saying, that stealing is somehow ingrained in the culture, is wrong. Someone from Korea knows just as much as someone from the West that taking someone else's work and profiting from it, is wrong.
The same way people in Italy know crime is wrong even though they have Mafia.
The same way people in Mexico know drug crime is wrong even though they have many drug cartels.
There's nothing within Korean or Chinese or Japanese culture, that promotes stealing, it does happen more, much more copyright protected work is ripped off, but it's not a cultural problem.
It is intersting btw, that people regard China as a copy cat, but some don't regard Japan as a copy cat, Canon and Nikon stole much of Carl Zeiss, Leica and Hasselblad their technology, and many other companies. It is just because it happened many years ago, that people somehow forgot about it. Japan was a major copy cat in the past, still is, but less so.
But, regular people don't condone this, it's not a cultural phenomenon, it is one of greed and capitalism, where the goal is reaching happiness through wealth, which never works.
Love this part of their apology: "It was a major mistake not checking the source of the image.”
Translation: "we'll sacrifice some worker bee to appear to be an upstanding company. When we get caught next time, we'll do it again."
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I'm not convinced that is what is being said. Of course stealing is wrong and every culture seems to look down upon it.
The issue is not "stealing" as I see it, the issue is "copying".
As I said above, there was a time in the west (most notably in the rennaissance) where taking musical motifs without permission and reusing them was considered acceptable. Like taking an entire melody. NOW if that was to be done the person taking it would be called to task.
Not only that but it's embarrassing. We value creativity and individual contribution so much that no one wants to be considered a plagiarist.
However, NOW we can take bits and reuse them in such a way for parody.
It's possible that those who are using bits from elsewhere really don't see it as stealing but borrowing much in the sense that we do it as parody though they might take it farther.
Or maybe it's just that there are no legal repercussions and it's just easier.
I do recall American McGee talking about working with a company in China and he said that they were immensely talented in creating/copying assets such as cars or trees or "whatever" with such amazing detail and faster than his experience with artists and developers in the west. However, he also said that they weren't so great with coming up with "new" ideas or innovating. This very much could be tied to the education system and what they value.
I don't know I don't live there. D20 said "here in the east" so I am taking that to mean that he lives in some eastern country and would be better able to discuss your statement.
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It happens all around the world, and it has nothing to do with culture. It has to do with greed.
It happens more in Asia, but it happens in Europe too now that more people are jobless.
Falconplein in Belgium, a small city in Antwerp, full of fake goods. I often go there just to look at all the fake stuff.
You know how many fake goods were taken by customs from the shops in 2012 alone?
4,23 MILLION fake goods
Police round up, fake bags:
http://www.express.be/sectors/nl/retail/belgische-speurders-nemen-recordaantal-namaak-in-beslag/172384.htm
I remember by aunt talking about how she could buy insurance to practice medicine that would be good anywhere on earth other than America for a tiny tiny fraction of what she was paying for her current insurance. I would not be surprised if being the most litigious nation on earth is also related to our mores against copying.
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WoW and Diablo are developed and published by the same company. THey can use their own assets in every game they make if they want to.
That would be interesting seeing as China is one of world's leading powers when it comes to hacking and intel.
I never said stealing is cultural. It is not cultural.
I have lived in Korea for a long time and I've never had anything stolen from me. People are extremely honest and the crime rate (theft, robbery, etc.) is very low here compared to in the US or some European countries (Spain, Italy, etc.).
However, I have hell trying to teach university students and graduate students what plagiarism is and why they must not do it. Most of the students don't seem to have that concept.
It would be a serious mistake to escalate in this manner against the Chinese (or the Russians). They will never back down and there can be no winners. People behave the way you want them to only if they have an incentive to do so.
The US cannot bully China or Russia in any way. Iran is a much less powerful country than either China or Russia. Why do you think the US invaded Iraq but not North Korea? Which country (if any) would have been more of a potential threat/nuisance?
America doesn't need to go that route and won't be helping to create a better world by doing so. A smart government would figure that out. But there won't be a smart government unless the electorate is sufficiently educated to elect one, so there's that too.
Anyway, as Nietzsche said,
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”