I wonder how many of those $9 backers realize that it's incompatible with just about any modern monitor. Add $10 if you want a VGA port, or $15 for HDMI--either of which are more than the cost of the entire base "computer". At that point, why not just get a Raspberry Pi?
Originally posted by Quizzical I wonder how many of those $9 backers realize that it's incompatible with just about any modern monitor. Add $10 if you want a VGA port, or $15 for HDMI--either of which are more than the cost of the entire base "computer". At that point, why not just get a Raspberry Pi?
Cherry is better.
When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
yes I'm just kidding lol .. 10 dollar computer to turn my lights on and off and other little tasks a good calculator could probably do lol
Don't underestimate what modern low-end hardware can do. The CPU, GPU, memory, and storage specs would be better than a nice desktop from 20 years ago. And the computers from 20 years ago could do a lot.
I recently got a RPi B for work for R&D - it is a nifty little computer. You definitely wouldn't confuse it for a modern desktop, but it boots to the desktop faster than a lot of fairly recent computers running full desktop hardware are able to do. Just don't ever try to do more than one task at a time on it.
Yes - these little units are basically a smart phone that boots into Linux (there is a compatible version of Windows if your even more of a masochist). But a smart phone can do a lot, and the hardware extensions adds a good bit of versatility to the unit. We are using them now for Kiosk/Billboard style heads for wall-mounted TV's, and we have a couple of projects on the hardware end for some industrial automation and monitoring integration.
But the hardware is only part of the equation. but I will admit it would be much less useful without the entire ecosystem of developers, software, community, and tools that are available for it.
That being said - $9 is a lot better than the $35 or whatever I paid for that unit - but neither number is exactly breaking the bank, and in this niche it's not like your really trying to outgun each other on speed or other specs. I'd rather pay a little extra for the ecosystem and support (but then again, I do that with Apple as well).
Intel compute stick is also a lot more expensive - at that price you could actually get a full blown Chromebook or something similar, and you lose the hardware breakout (GPIO ports) that the RPi and Chip have (which may or may not matter depending on what your planning to do with it, honestly).
I did consider those before we dropped some pocket change on the RPi, but that price was a bit more than what I could just scrounge up from the sofa cushions in the company lounge.
The compute stick probably would play WoW though - since it's x86 compatible.
Im actually pretty excited about this. I dunno why Quiz would recommend people spend more to get less from the out dated raspberry pi. What a terrible recommendation. This CHIP unit has both WiFi and Bluetooth built in. So those USB ports you use for your dongles and what not on raspberry pi, are now free. Further more, the video thing (the only thing he read when he did his typical uninformed google search and picked stuff out to be argumentative), is bypassed by the HDMI or VGA addon which is still cheaper than buying a raspberry pi.
Get with the times man.... At least recommend Banana Pi if youre gonna spout bullshit.
yes I'm just kidding lol .. 10 dollar computer to turn my lights on and off and other little tasks a good calculator could probably do lol
Don't underestimate what modern low-end hardware can do. The CPU, GPU, memory, and storage specs would be better than a nice desktop from 20 years ago. And the computers from 20 years ago could do a lot.
Except you know... Run WoW or the majority of software from today (not due to compatibility, but hardware req).
Me.. I think this is pretty cool to make a little emulator out of. Already did it with both Raspberry Pi and Banana. Chip here I come!
Originally posted by madazz Except you know... Run WoW or the majority of software from today (not due to compatibility, but hardware req). Me.. I think this is pretty cool to make a little emulator out of. Already did it with both Raspberry Pi and Banana. Chip here I come!
First off, what is the fascination with playing WoW on these things? Has that become the defining characteristic of a computer?
Second - "software from today"? Do you mean Windows-based software? Do you mean modern games (as in those based on DirectX)?
Because "today" - if you can get a device to run a W3C compliant web browser with HTML5 support (of which there are multiple browsers to chose from on Debian-based platforms), you can pretty much run anything you want on it, or at least through it over a network.
And even outside of cloud-based software, these things can still run plenty of "software from today" - in fact, I would say the most robust software development is occuring on devices very similar to these in hardware capability, and is perfectly usable on many of these devices (thanks to Android). Heck, there's a demo of a RPi A (and you have mentioned how exactly inferior that is to BPi) running Quake 3. That may not be the same thing as running GTAV in 4K, but it's not like the BPi or Intel Compute Stick is going to get you a whole lot closer to that than the CHIP or RPi is. And it's not like it's regulated to ~just~ running a web browser or media player, there's plenty of software out there, on a variety of operating systems even.
Don't underestimate what modern low-end hardware can do. The CPU, GPU, memory, and storage specs would be better than a nice desktop from 20 years ago. And the computers from 20 years ago could do a lot.
*facepalm*
this is Debian Linux, not windows
It's good if you like tinkering with hardware, but it's not going to run WoW.
Originally posted by madazz Except you know... Run WoW or the majority of software from today (not due to compatibility, but hardware req).
Me.. I think this is pretty cool to make a little emulator out of. Already did it with both Raspberry Pi and Banana. Chip here I come!
First off, what is the fascination with playing WoW on these things? Has that become the defining characteristic of a computer?
Second - "software from today"? Do you mean Windows-based software? Do you mean modern games (as in those based on DirectX)?
Because "today" - if you can get a device to run a W3C compliant web browser with HTML5 support (of which there are multiple browsers to chose from on Debian-based platforms), you can pretty much run anything you want on it, or at least through it over a network.
And even outside of cloud-based software, these things can still run plenty of "software from today" - in fact, I would say the most robust software development is occuring on devices very similar to these in hardware capability, and is perfectly usable on many of these devices (thanks to Android). Heck, there's a demo of a RPi A (and you have mentioned how exactly inferior that is to BPi) running Quake 3. That may not be the same thing as running GTAV in 4K, but it's not like the BPi or Intel Compute Stick is going to get you a whole lot closer to that than the CHIP or RPi is. And it's not like it's regulated to ~just~ running a web browser or media player, there's plenty of software out there, on a variety of operating systems even.
First off, the WoW reference was a response to the original poster who mentioned it. I don't play WoW and I don't care who does.
Second, Modern software has much higher requirements. Ram requirements being a huge culprit.
Third, sure you could use it as a streaming device to run "anything", but we werent talking about that. That is a whole new argument that was not brought up.
Fourth, it won't run todays software as I said. You can enjoy the really old stuff on it (Which I will be doing when I get one), but you won't be playing today's software. Sure some low spec indie hipster pixel bullshit games will work.
I get into this stuff knowing what it can or cannot do. This thing can do a lot. It has open source software that is compatible with word and the like, it has a ton of games, tons of emulation options... its powerful. But it is not going to run anything modern. Just like a computer even 10 years ago wont. Its laughable to say that a computer from 20 years ago can run most of today's software. It can't. I could give you a rather enormous detailed list as to why... but why don't you go and just prove me wrong instead? I will give you a head start on your quest. And its in your favour. Windows 7 can be run on computers with less than 1ghz of power (Im talking old pentiums here), and you don't even need 1gb of ram. It runs like total utter crap, and can't handle a lot of software from today as I've stated, but it does technically work. So now go set up a system for shits and giggles like I did, and tell me what works.
ps; I've even put windows on phones and the like. Windows 95 on my old Dell Streak was funny to me. I screw around with this stuff. Im not like quizz where I just read an article on the internet and come here to post. I actually do it.
Im actually pretty excited about this. I dunno why Quiz would recommend people spend more to get less from the out dated raspberry pi. What a terrible recommendation. This CHIP unit has both WiFi and Bluetooth built in. So those USB ports you use for your dongles and what not on raspberry pi, are now free. Further more, the video thing (the only thing he read when he did his typical uninformed google search and picked stuff out to be argumentative), is bypassed by the HDMI or VGA addon which is still cheaper than buying a raspberry pi.
Get with the times man.... At least recommend Banana Pi if youre gonna spout bullshit.
I tend to prefer spending money on products that exist and are available today over products that may or may not exist a year from now. If, a year from now, the CHIP is out and works as intended, then maybe it makes sense to buy one if you're in that market. But today? Why pay for such a cheap, low end product so far ahead of time?
I'm not saying people should definitely get a Raspberry Pi. I am saying, if you're in the market for a low end computer like that, why pay now and then wait a year?
I can't really see this going anywhere. The kickstarter people probably have rose colored glasses on. You can't get a large coffee in some coffee shops for 9 dollars.
Why wouldn't it work? The tech in modern day smart phones eclipse that of the communication tech used by NASA when Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon. As cloud computing become more popular and streamlined all you need is a way to access the interwebs and work on offsite hardware that would have cost thousands of $$$ for a fraction of the price via monthly subscription. The best thing about it, the hardware continues to be updated with the latest tech at your discretion. This type of device can work for the power user as well as the everyday Netflix, Facebook, and email consumer. Why not?
Originally posted by booniedog96 Why wouldn't it work? The tech in modern day smart phones eclipse that of the communication tech used by NASA when Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon. As cloud computing become more popular and streamlined all you need is a way to access the interwebs and work on offsite hardware that would have cost thousands of $$$ for a fraction of the price via monthly subscription. The best thing about it, the hardware continues to be updated with the latest tech at your discretion. This type of device can work for the power user as well as the everyday Netflix, Facebook, and email consumer. Why not?
Not saying it couldn't be, but I am saying that I'm doubtful. It isn't something I would invest my money in.
yes I'm just kidding lol .. 10 dollar computer to turn my lights on and off and other little tasks a good calculator could probably do lol
Don't underestimate what modern low-end hardware can do. The CPU, GPU, memory, and storage specs would be better than a nice desktop from 20 years ago. And the computers from 20 years ago could do a lot.
To go even further back, the Apollo 11 guidance computer had 64KB memory and ran at 0.043Mhz and that got us to the moon.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
These tiny computers are potentially a lot of fun for anyone interested in robotics. I've done a lot of tinkering with the Arduino microcontrollers to control sumo robots.
You could probably substitute the microcontroller for a Raspberry Pi or Chip to get the same result.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own. -- Herman Melville
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Think I can play WoW on that thing?
yes I'm just kidding lol .. 10 dollar computer to turn my lights on and off and other little tasks a good calculator could probably do lol
Cherry is better.
Don't underestimate what modern low-end hardware can do. The CPU, GPU, memory, and storage specs would be better than a nice desktop from 20 years ago. And the computers from 20 years ago could do a lot.
1Ghz
512MB RAM
Mali 400 CPU
well, basically it´s a reworked old smartphone.. with just the minimum basics.. without gps..
only USB and bluetooth.. where screen costs extra.. keyboard is extra.. HDMI adapter is extra.. etc...
with a LINUX installed .. and 4GB ram
In the end better than most USB sticks and more useful than Flashdrives..
bad side.. it´s cheapest chinese stuff... good luck^^
I recently got a RPi B for work for R&D - it is a nifty little computer. You definitely wouldn't confuse it for a modern desktop, but it boots to the desktop faster than a lot of fairly recent computers running full desktop hardware are able to do. Just don't ever try to do more than one task at a time on it.
Yes - these little units are basically a smart phone that boots into Linux (there is a compatible version of Windows if your even more of a masochist). But a smart phone can do a lot, and the hardware extensions adds a good bit of versatility to the unit. We are using them now for Kiosk/Billboard style heads for wall-mounted TV's, and we have a couple of projects on the hardware end for some industrial automation and monitoring integration.
But the hardware is only part of the equation. but I will admit it would be much less useful without the entire ecosystem of developers, software, community, and tools that are available for it.
That being said - $9 is a lot better than the $35 or whatever I paid for that unit - but neither number is exactly breaking the bank, and in this niche it's not like your really trying to outgun each other on speed or other specs. I'd rather pay a little extra for the ecosystem and support (but then again, I do that with Apple as well).
$150
-Intel Atom Z3735F processor
-2GB RAM
-bluetooth
-WiFi
-HDMI
-USB
-micro USB
-micro SD
-comes with Windows 8 installed
-32GB storage
Intel compute stick is also a lot more expensive - at that price you could actually get a full blown Chromebook or something similar, and you lose the hardware breakout (GPIO ports) that the RPi and Chip have (which may or may not matter depending on what your planning to do with it, honestly).
I did consider those before we dropped some pocket change on the RPi, but that price was a bit more than what I could just scrounge up from the sofa cushions in the company lounge.
The compute stick probably would play WoW though - since it's x86 compatible.
Im actually pretty excited about this. I dunno why Quiz would recommend people spend more to get less from the out dated raspberry pi. What a terrible recommendation. This CHIP unit has both WiFi and Bluetooth built in. So those USB ports you use for your dongles and what not on raspberry pi, are now free. Further more, the video thing (the only thing he read when he did his typical uninformed google search and picked stuff out to be argumentative), is bypassed by the HDMI or VGA addon which is still cheaper than buying a raspberry pi.
Get with the times man.... At least recommend Banana Pi if youre gonna spout bullshit.
Except you know... Run WoW or the majority of software from today (not due to compatibility, but hardware req).
Me.. I think this is pretty cool to make a little emulator out of. Already did it with both Raspberry Pi and Banana. Chip here I come!
First off, what is the fascination with playing WoW on these things? Has that become the defining characteristic of a computer?
Second - "software from today"? Do you mean Windows-based software? Do you mean modern games (as in those based on DirectX)?
Because "today" - if you can get a device to run a W3C compliant web browser with HTML5 support (of which there are multiple browsers to chose from on Debian-based platforms), you can pretty much run anything you want on it, or at least through it over a network.
And even outside of cloud-based software, these things can still run plenty of "software from today" - in fact, I would say the most robust software development is occuring on devices very similar to these in hardware capability, and is perfectly usable on many of these devices (thanks to Android). Heck, there's a demo of a RPi A (and you have mentioned how exactly inferior that is to BPi) running Quake 3. That may not be the same thing as running GTAV in 4K, but it's not like the BPi or Intel Compute Stick is going to get you a whole lot closer to that than the CHIP or RPi is. And it's not like it's regulated to ~just~ running a web browser or media player, there's plenty of software out there, on a variety of operating systems even.
lmao +1, raspberry pi = piece of junk
*facepalm*
this is Debian Linux, not windows
It's good if you like tinkering with hardware, but it's not going to run WoW.
First off, the WoW reference was a response to the original poster who mentioned it. I don't play WoW and I don't care who does.
Second, Modern software has much higher requirements. Ram requirements being a huge culprit.
Third, sure you could use it as a streaming device to run "anything", but we werent talking about that. That is a whole new argument that was not brought up.
Fourth, it won't run todays software as I said. You can enjoy the really old stuff on it (Which I will be doing when I get one), but you won't be playing today's software. Sure some low spec indie hipster pixel bullshit games will work.
I get into this stuff knowing what it can or cannot do. This thing can do a lot. It has open source software that is compatible with word and the like, it has a ton of games, tons of emulation options... its powerful. But it is not going to run anything modern. Just like a computer even 10 years ago wont. Its laughable to say that a computer from 20 years ago can run most of today's software. It can't. I could give you a rather enormous detailed list as to why... but why don't you go and just prove me wrong instead? I will give you a head start on your quest. And its in your favour. Windows 7 can be run on computers with less than 1ghz of power (Im talking old pentiums here), and you don't even need 1gb of ram. It runs like total utter crap, and can't handle a lot of software from today as I've stated, but it does technically work. So now go set up a system for shits and giggles like I did, and tell me what works.
ps; I've even put windows on phones and the like. Windows 95 on my old Dell Streak was funny to me. I screw around with this stuff. Im not like quizz where I just read an article on the internet and come here to post. I actually do it.
I tend to prefer spending money on products that exist and are available today over products that may or may not exist a year from now. If, a year from now, the CHIP is out and works as intended, then maybe it makes sense to buy one if you're in that market. But today? Why pay for such a cheap, low end product so far ahead of time?
I'm not saying people should definitely get a Raspberry Pi. I am saying, if you're in the market for a low end computer like that, why pay now and then wait a year?
I self identify as a monkey.
Not saying it couldn't be, but I am saying that I'm doubtful. It isn't something I would invest my money in.
I self identify as a monkey.
To go even further back, the Apollo 11 guidance computer had 64KB memory and ran at 0.043Mhz and that got us to the moon.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
These tiny computers are potentially a lot of fun for anyone interested in robotics. I've done a lot of tinkering with the Arduino microcontrollers to control sumo robots.
You could probably substitute the microcontroller for a Raspberry Pi or Chip to get the same result.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville