Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r With all that is happening in this community lately (childish reddit mods, leaks, disgruntled employees), I am not touching this game with a stick.
Serious? This goes on in every game produced. You wouldn't be playing a single game if this were the case.
you are generalizing too much. I actually followed the drama. if a small amount of things said is true the development process has not a bright future. when a game and the team specifically has this kind of attitude nothing good can happen
yes, from experience I can tell you that a good working environment is crucial for a game to succeed. I am not wasting my time on a game that is mainly focusing on internal issues and is barely surviving
having said that I really hope they will manage to start working on the game, build a vision and get more subscribers. the potential is there and the game can still be saved
.. but as the things are now only f2p transition will not make me play it
I'm not sure how I'm generalizing, this is the way it is. As I said, general or not, every game has all the problems you mentioned and many have much more. Bungie, Daybreak, Blizzard, 38 Studios, are a few to mention and all have had huge internal problems with firing and massive personnel changes.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Maquiame No, this game needs to die a horrible death to teach developers to stop making these types of games
And answers like this is one of the reasons the genre is dying. Believe it or not there are people playing and enjoying this title, just like those who played Warhammer, Vanguard, SWG, and even Tabula Rasa. I'm not sure why anyone would want something to fail and tarnish the genre even more.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
If it goes F2P, sure, I didn't hate the game, It just didn't click with me, but i heard it had a few updates so I may give it another shot when it goes F2P.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I bought this game and launch and enjoyed it somewhat but there were certain features of the game i really couldn't stand, One was the telegraphs on the ground before attacks, It was just so goddam distacting i didnt like it.. Also the talk of what a grind it was going to be to get into raids at endgame really turned me off. Not sure what came along that ultimetly put the nail in the coffin (ESO ?) But i left for greener pastures.
With all the said i would definitely return somewhere down the line with a F2P model and give the game another chance. It will have to be much later though as i have really gotten into Final Fantasy A realm Reborn and the xpac looming on the horizon. To me FFARR is just doing it "right" Its IMO the best themepark mmo since vanilla wow.
Agreed. This game has become my one and only mmo.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Originally posted by n3v3rriv3r With all that is happening in this community lately (childish reddit mods, leaks, disgruntled employees), I am not touching this game with a stick.
Serious? This goes on in every game produced. You wouldn't be playing a single game if this were the case.
you are generalizing too much. I actually followed the drama. if a small amount of things said is true the development process has not a bright future. when a game and the team specifically has this kind of attitude nothing good can happen
yes, from experience I can tell you that a good working environment is crucial for a game to succeed. I am not wasting my time on a game that is mainly focusing on internal issues and is barely surviving
having said that I really hope they will manage to start working on the game, build a vision and get more subscribers. the potential is there and the game can still be saved
.. but as the things are now only f2p transition will not make me play it
I'm not sure how I'm generalizing, this is the way it is. As I said, general or not, every game has all the problems you mentioned and many have much more. Bungie, Daybreak, Blizzard, 38 Studios, are a few to mention and all have had huge internal problems with firing and massive personnel changes.
38 Studios is dead, Daybreak still have a chance to show what they can do and well Bungie and Blizzard have other products and are already established in gaming industry.
see? there cannot be such kind of a generalization: they all have problems.
dont get me wrong tho, I have nothing against Wildstar, I would actually like for them to succeed but to do that they need to change a lot in the company not only the revenue model.
I can see a similar problem in another little budget game called Swtor for example. The game could be still great and I am pretty sure there is no ip that has bigger potential but every time I resubscribe I notice how little effort they invest in developing the game - all they do seems half-made, from character models, to missions etc etc. I personally dont see any effort just trying to get a pay at the end of the month and yet still the game is surviving. I dont want to play these kind of games, but thats just me.
Yes, I would play it, the subs were what drove me away, not having the time to play it much and having to pay a subs, drove me away, as this game was different to most mmo's.
I found it better than wow, and its not asian, too many asian mmo's out now and they are nearly all the same, just different graphics, but same game mechanics.
I played it for free on a 1 week trial - didn't last more than 2 before moving on. Decent combat, intriguing classes, fun storytelling... all wrapped in the same WoW formula I was sick of 6 years ago.
Regardless, I would give it another go, yes. Maybe they've improved it enough to be worth playing.
Will give it a try, but if the community is still as bad or worse, I'm out. Enjoyed it enough, but the community was so arrogant and obnoxious calling themselves hardcore because the devs ran that into the ground. Not even a hardcore game in my book.
Quit it when my I was cussed at and called a WoW crybaby when I said the first dungeon could use some tuning because it didn't ramp in difficulty as it should and the last boss was easier than the first. No I was not dumbing down the game, just thought it was backwards. Quit the game that night. And no it wasn't just those in my guild. That was just the last straw for me.
I think NCSoft is going to give it a fighting chance - they support Aion as F2P, it makes them money, so it continues to enjoy support.
But if F2P doesn't translate to (enough) revenue within some reasonable time frame, NCSoft would be the first to pull the plug, they have a somewhat itchy trigger finger.
I tried beta and it wasn't my cup of tea, but I'm a sucker for F2P titles and would likely download and at least give it another run or two. I wasn't willing to pay a box fee + sub for it though.
Originally posted by Maquiame No, this game needs to die a horrible death to teach developers to stop making these types of games
And answers like this is one of the reasons the genre is dying. Believe it or not there are people playing and enjoying this title, just like those who played Warhammer, Vanguard, SWG, and even Tabula Rasa. I'm not sure why anyone would want something to fail and tarnish the genre even more.
And I'd rather have SWG, Vanguard and Tabula Rasa over a obvious WoW clone that survives. Sorry but I would, this game succeeding would give some other greedy publisher schmutz the idea to make another one. In order for flowers to grow games like this need to die horribly to teach the industry a lesson and get REAL mmoRPGS back on track. The genre isn't dying it will take indies and smaller studios who actually still give a shit to save it.
NGE SWG, half done Tabula Rasa and a broken Vanguard all were better games. Wildstar needs to be the fertilizer for games like Pantheon, The Repopulation, Tree of Savior and Tree of Life to be the grand forests that they need to be.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Originally posted by Maquiame No, this game needs to die a horrible death to teach developers to stop making these types of games
And answers like this is one of the reasons the genre is dying. Believe it or not there are people playing and enjoying this title, just like those who played Warhammer, Vanguard, SWG, and even Tabula Rasa. I'm not sure why anyone would want something to fail and tarnish the genre even more.
And I'd rather have SWG, Vanguard and Tabula Rasa over a obvious WoW clone that survives. Sorry but I would, this game succeeding would give some other greedy publisher schmutz the idea to make another one. In order for flowers to grow games like this need to die horribly to teach the industry a lesson and get REAL mmoRPGS back on track. The genre isn't dying it will take indies and smaller studios who actually still give a shit to save it.
NGE SWG, half done Tabula Rasa and a broken Vanguard all were better games. Wildstar needs to be the fertilizer for games like Pantheon, The Repopulation, Tree of Savior and Tree of Life to be the grand forests that they need to be.
Heh. Tabula Rasa. That game was called a WoW clone during its time.
Originally posted by Maquiame No, this game needs to die a horrible death to teach developers to stop making these types of games
And answers like this is one of the reasons the genre is dying. Believe it or not there are people playing and enjoying this title, just like those who played Warhammer, Vanguard, SWG, and even Tabula Rasa. I'm not sure why anyone would want something to fail and tarnish the genre even more.
And I'd rather have SWG, Vanguard and Tabula Rasa over a obvious WoW clone that survives. Sorry but I would, this game succeeding would give some other greedy publisher schmutz the idea to make another one. In order for flowers to grow games like this need to die horribly to teach the industry a lesson and get REAL mmoRPGS back on track. The genre isn't dying it will take indies and smaller studios who actually still give a shit to save it.
NGE SWG, half done Tabula Rasa and a broken Vanguard all were better games. Wildstar needs to be the fertilizer for games like Pantheon, The Repopulation, Tree of Savior and Tree of Life to be the grand forests that they need to be.
Heh. Tabula Rasa. That game was called a WoW clone during its time.
I suggest you look up Youtube videos on Tabula Rasa and tell me if its anything like WoW. I played the game, it was nothing like it at all. The game mainly centered around alien invasions.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
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Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
I'm not sure how I'm generalizing, this is the way it is. As I said, general or not, every game has all the problems you mentioned and many have much more. Bungie, Daybreak, Blizzard, 38 Studios, are a few to mention and all have had huge internal problems with firing and massive personnel changes.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
And answers like this is one of the reasons the genre is dying. Believe it or not there are people playing and enjoying this title, just like those who played Warhammer, Vanguard, SWG, and even Tabula Rasa. I'm not sure why anyone would want something to fail and tarnish the genre even more.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Agreed. This game has become my one and only mmo.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
38 Studios is dead, Daybreak still have a chance to show what they can do and well Bungie and Blizzard have other products and are already established in gaming industry.
see? there cannot be such kind of a generalization: they all have problems.
dont get me wrong tho, I have nothing against Wildstar, I would actually like for them to succeed but to do that they need to change a lot in the company not only the revenue model.
I can see a similar problem in another little budget game called Swtor for example. The game could be still great and I am pretty sure there is no ip that has bigger potential but every time I resubscribe I notice how little effort they invest in developing the game - all they do seems half-made, from character models, to missions etc etc. I personally dont see any effort just trying to get a pay at the end of the month and yet still the game is surviving. I dont want to play these kind of games, but thats just me.
Boring combat, exp losses when you die, and a million other issues....
Hell, no.
Yes, I would play it, the subs were what drove me away, not having the time to play it much and having to pay a subs, drove me away, as this game was different to most mmo's.
I found it better than wow, and its not asian, too many asian mmo's out now and they are nearly all the same, just different graphics, but same game mechanics.
I played it for free on a 1 week trial - didn't last more than 2 before moving on. Decent combat, intriguing classes, fun storytelling... all wrapped in the same WoW formula I was sick of 6 years ago.
Regardless, I would give it another go, yes. Maybe they've improved it enough to be worth playing.
If it goes f2p within this month, sure.
If not, I'll have better things to do.
no i wouldn't.
sick and tired of f2p games where you end up spending more than a sub anyways.
Will give it a try, but if the community is still as bad or worse, I'm out. Enjoyed it enough, but the community was so arrogant and obnoxious calling themselves hardcore because the devs ran that into the ground. Not even a hardcore game in my book.
Quit it when my I was cussed at and called a WoW crybaby when I said the first dungeon could use some tuning because it didn't ramp in difficulty as it should and the last boss was easier than the first. No I was not dumbing down the game, just thought it was backwards. Quit the game that night. And no it wasn't just those in my guild. That was just the last straw for me.
I think NCSoft is going to give it a fighting chance - they support Aion as F2P, it makes them money, so it continues to enjoy support.
But if F2P doesn't translate to (enough) revenue within some reasonable time frame, NCSoft would be the first to pull the plug, they have a somewhat itchy trigger finger.
I tried beta and it wasn't my cup of tea, but I'm a sucker for F2P titles and would likely download and at least give it another run or two. I wasn't willing to pay a box fee + sub for it though.
No.
If I want to play an MMO like WOW again it will be WOW ...
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
Edgar Allan Poe
And I'd rather have SWG, Vanguard and Tabula Rasa over a obvious WoW clone that survives. Sorry but I would, this game succeeding would give some other greedy publisher schmutz the idea to make another one. In order for flowers to grow games like this need to die horribly to teach the industry a lesson and get REAL mmoRPGS back on track. The genre isn't dying it will take indies and smaller studios who actually still give a shit to save it.
NGE SWG, half done Tabula Rasa and a broken Vanguard all were better games. Wildstar needs to be the fertilizer for games like Pantheon, The Repopulation, Tree of Savior and Tree of Life to be the grand forests that they need to be.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Heh. Tabula Rasa. That game was called a WoW clone during its time.
I suggest you look up Youtube videos on Tabula Rasa and tell me if its anything like WoW. I played the game, it was nothing like it at all. The game mainly centered around alien invasions.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!