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The dumbest and yet most common F2P argument.
Kiyoris
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"It's not pay2win because you can get the item outside of the cash shop"
It is such a sleazeball argument.
Developers specifically make those items extra grindy, often requiring a person to grind for months to get the same item.
It's a non-argument.
I have chosen to stick with FFXIV, not just because F2P costs too much, it is also that there are so many unreasonable people on F2P forums, who use these kind of arguments that make no sense.
There are more arguments like this, like the sleazeball
"But it is free, you don't have to pay anything, you can just stick with your +1 cloth and lousy gear for the rest of the game, it is STILL FREE".
These arguments are not worth even debating these people over. They are beyond reason.
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and you make a whole topic to outline your reasons and debate them. Way to be illogical about your own reasoning!
oh god, this guy
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For free, you get pretty much underwhelming experience in most F2P.
If you want to have a reasonable fun time in F2P, you usually pay a lot.
Want a mount? PAY
Want to enchant gear? PAY
Want to color your gear? PAY
Want to have a pet? PAY
etc
There are exceptions, F2P that are reasonable, but they are increasingly rare. Most F2P charge outrageous prices in their cash shop to enjoy the game.
As opposed to not being able to play at all, I say it's still a bargain.
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It's kind like a restaurant owner claiming the food in his restaurant is free, all you have to do...is pick up the breadcrumbs on the floor.
Wait a minute...are you trying to say?...oh my word, I think you are right.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Interesting. These games increasingly play with people's psyche.
Ffxiv has a cash shop, it sells mounts, dyes, marriages, outfits and many other things.
If a principle is important how can you play a game that breaks it, is being p2p with a cash shop ok but f2p with a cash shop not?
Tons of f2p like this, other are not.
Because they're minions and mounts, and nothing game breaking. There's no enchantments, enhancements, items, XP potions, there's no way to turn $ into in-game money, etc.
Would I rather have no cash shop? Of course.
But FFXIV is the only game that isnt completely breaking the level playing field with a cash shop.
I was going to add WoW, but their Recruit a Friend scheme is just as messed up as F2P.
Hardly any F2P MMORPGs directly sell items. The ones that do are bad (but still not overtly pay2win because you don't have to pay to gain the same advantage) and the ones that don't are the ones everyone is playing (the only exception to this I've seen recently is RIFT, which offers earring slots as a purchase (without paying you can't equip earrings) which is pay2win because paying is (apparently) the only way to get that vertical power increase.
But given the rarity, this definitely isn't the most common F2P argument.
Let's see if you address this reasonable and logical critique to your post, or whether you ignore it because you're beyond reason.
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what about when those mounts arent even in game and you're forced to buy them to get them... you're telling me thats not pay to win.
you are quite literally contradicting yourself now, because there is plenty of f2p games that only sell cosmetic items / mounts in the cash shop.
The Rift part, is Cash Shop or one can get it from in game for the ear slot with in game world tokens thats easy to far at this point of time.
That is a pretty decent Troll post, starting with an insult and aggressively developing the subject. Yet its still an interesting post. The flavor of the day is F2P and as i personally prefer the P2P model there is still decent F2P that coming up that dont have an aggressive cash shop and are enjoyable. Also there is still Subs game that are very bad, cash shop or not. Its really depend on what your looking for and the level of game mechanics put on a game.
Agree with the entire comment.
I think the entire idea of playing a game is to have fun and not pick it to death. If you personally feel you are being cheated in a game just move on and do something else. I haven't played a single game where I worry about what the other guy has or how he got it, I honestly don't care because it's not mine. If it's a weapon and he's beating the tar out of me with it, I congratulate him on his ability to acquire the item, paid for with cash, crafted it, or bought with hard earned gold. Still, I haven't felt cheated for my choices yet.
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