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  • Unknown
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Look carefully at what you did.  A person wrote a post asking 3 questions, you didn't attempt to answer any of them, you simply posted a link to another competing game, of course they banned you.

    Perhaps with a well thought out reply the person might have bought the game, but the world will never know.

    Yeah, I think this is the "right" of it.

    @op: you aren't really looking at what you did and you keep repeating "I talked about games on other forums ..." so stop that. Great that you could do that but forum rules are different from one forum to another.

     

    First off, I don't think you should have been banned. Not even a temp ban. A simple reminder (couch it in the language of "warning" if you want) is all that was needed.

    Essentially someone in a "store" had questions and you didn't answer the questions you just referred them to another game. Those "forums" are more than just "forums", they are places where they are trying to sell their product.

    Now, I have to repeat "again" that I don't think any ban was needed just a "hey man, just a reminder that these devs are trying to sell their game and it's always hard for indy devs so please don't suggest competitors in these forums" would have sufficed.

    But, as Kyleran very wisely pointed out they banned you for a very specific reason that definitely has its own logic.

    Then why was no reason stated? they banned without reason, which means they msut be in the wrong because no forum should ban a person for talking about another game, people talk about other games in forums all the time, go look at the world of warcraft forums, peopel talk about a million different mmos there all day and never get banned. like the other guy said, freedom of speech is pretty much dead when it comes to indie devs.

    And as for the russian thing, yes it seems to be the russian devs who do these silly bans, i've never had this from any other place, i mean hell everyone and his grandma slagged mortal online off for another game on their forums at somepoint lol and never got a ban. But swedes are cooler i guess :)

  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Originally posted by DMKano

    OP - steam is a storefront - advertising other products will result in bans.

    it's like standing inside of a clothing store cusomer service area and telling people with questions to go to the other competing store - you are gonna get thrown out.

     

    If MMORPG.COM had direct sales for MMOs like steam, advertising competition could result in loss of revenue hence it would be bannable.

     

    If the OP had been spamming that in various threads I could understand a warning and then a ban if he continued on like that. However, based on what I see here, it is despicable moderation. I have read the steam forums quite a bit- they are not stopfronts they are "community hubs" - separate to the store page.

    I have seen people mention other games/software in the forums for other products on steam, but the mods are fairly congenial about it, usually they just ask the poster to not talk about other games/products if they have a problem with it.

    I think it is really important for us as consumers to keep forums as open as possible and to hold moderators accountable for their actions. In this case it seems pretty black and white that the devs or whoever is moderating that forum is far too sensitive and we should have no issue with condemning them for that- it should reflect, and in this case tarnish, their image. (And it has for me, I won't play the game if I confirm they have that kind of attitude).

     

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  • HeretiqueHeretique Member RarePosts: 1,536
    Originally posted by dreamscaper
    You essentially came to their forum and advertised another game. While I think it should have been a temp ban rather than perma, I don't have much sympathy otherwise.

    qft

  • Unknown
    Originally posted by Scorchien
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    Originally posted by Drakaden
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    Originally posted by Drakaden
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    The STEAM forums don't have no such rules from what i can see, they are on the steam forums not their own forums, i said my post on the steam LIF forums not the LIF.COM forums. they don't get their own special rules for their steam forum.

    I once got temporarily banned by reporting bugs on steam forum for a game named Dex because i was saying spoilers without hiding them, from what i gather the game companies can apply their own rules on their steam forums.

    No i'm pretty sure that's across every steam forum, you're not allowed to spoil any game without saying so...

    "Look what i found"

    MAIN CHAR DIES LOLOL

    Well i didn't read the steam policies so you might be right, in any cases i'm not sure you'll get much sympathy from anyone for trying to lure away people from a game in their own domain, and most certainly nobody will be able to do something about your ban, and this will certainly not prevent people from buying the game.

    Hopefully people with standards and the right morals will see what they did as shamefull and wrong and will not buy their game, even if 1 person only see's their ways and refuses to buy their game then that's one soul saved, It's not sympathy i'm after it's Justice.

    FFS , get over yourself .. Shameful , wrong ... morals .. wtf they banned you advertising another game in there forums .. nothing wrong with that ... Dam dude grow a pair and move on .. only shame i see here is you crying over a friggin game forum .. lmfao ...

    But you're crying over my post about crying?

  • Unknown
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by YashaX
    Originally posted by DMKano

    OP - steam is a storefront - advertising other products will result in bans.

    it's like standing inside of a clothing store cusomer service area and telling people with questions to go to the other competing store - you are gonna get thrown out.

     

    If MMORPG.COM had direct sales for MMOs like steam, advertising competition could result in loss of revenue hence it would be bannable.

     

    If the OP had been spamming that in various threads I could understand a warning and then a ban if he continued on like that. However, based on what I see here, it is despicable moderation. I have read the steam forums quite a bit- they are not stopfronts they are "community hubs" - separate to the store page.

    I have seen people mention other games/software in the forums for other products on steam, but the mods are fairly congenial about it, usually they just ask the poster to not talk about other games/products if they have a problem with it.

    I think it is really important for us as consumers to keep forums as open as possible and to hold moderators accountable for their actions. In this case it seems pretty black and white that the devs or whoever is moderating that forum is far too sensitive and we should have no issue with condemning them for that- it should reflect, and in this case tarnish, their image. (And it has for me, I won't play the game if I confirm they have that kind of attitude).

     

     

    Oh steam forums are directly tied to the storefront - heck you can see buy now button right above the comments.

    If this was some random forum that had no links to direct sale - nobody would care.

    Potential buyers read steam forums and often make purchase decision on what they read.

     

    I agree with you that it was "over the top" ban - the vast majority of companies wouldn't ban over this - BUT some do, and it's clear why. IMO this is not ban worthy at all.

    So we're really discussing here internal company policy that we have zero control over - as we're not mods nor devs.

    In the end each dev studio can ban as they please for whatever they please, but even in unjust bans one always must consider their own part in it.

    And that's something OP is not willing to look at yet - his own actions despite how unjust the outcome might be.

     

     

     

    I come from england and freedom of speech is allowed, i i go and stand in a shop tomorrow and say you can buy this game cheaper at that shop i doubt anyone would kick me out.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    Originally posted by Chattaway
     

    Then why was no reason stated? they banned without reason, which means they msut be in the wrong because no forum should ban a person for talking about another game, people talk about other games in forums all the time, go look at the world of warcraft forums,

    You see, this is why I have trouble with your argument. You keep speaking in "musts" and that's ridiculous.

    It doesn't matter, it's their forum, just because other forums allow certain discussions doesn't mean theirs  does.

    And "no" they don't have to give you a reason. Should they? SURE! But they don't. Or maybe it was an oversight.

    I don't know, I'm not them. 

    However, this is the problem with some "gamers", they think that the internet is a big club and that their version of "right" should preside.

    It doesn't.

    I don't want to say "life is unfair" but "life is unfair". 

    do I think it was silly and unwarranted, though I understand their logic if indeed it is what we think it is? You bet. Do I think it was unprofessional? Well, if I was their community manager I wouldn't have done it that way. You could try apologizing and explaining yourself.

    One of the reasons I'm "fairly" well adjusted is that I operate under the idea that if I"m unwelcome then that's totally cool and I'll find another place to be. If Someone doesn't want to hire me then totally cool, I don't want to work there. If a girl doesn't want to go out with me then totally cool, I'll find someone who does. Someone doesn't want to be my friend? Great, others do and I'll be at their parties.

    So, If a forum were to ban me then "totally cool" I'll find a forum that wants my brand of adjusted crazy.

    Just don't sweat over this, either apologize or seek to be reinstated (in a reasonable and non-demanding non-accusatory way) or just adopt the "I'll find another place to be". No sweat, no stress, "it wasn't meant to be" and it isn't an issue. image

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  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327

     

    What is it about this forum that people feel the need to come here and bitch about how they were treated in other forums.  WE don't know you.  We weren't there so therefore we do not know any prior warnings, foul behavior, or questionable history that might have contributed to this ultimate ban.  A forum poster's history does matter.  And we do not have the benefit, or the need to know, to be able to comment accordingly.  Its a bit presumptuous of you to think that anyone is going to boycott this forum and/or product simply because YOU want justice.  Your problem dude.  Deal with it and move on.   

  • Unknown
    Originally posted by LacedOpium

     

    What is it about this forum that people feel the need to come here and bitch about how they were treated in other forums.  WE don't know you.  We weren't there so therefore we do not know any prior warnings, foul behavior, or questionable history that might have contributed to this ultimate ban.  A forum poster's history does matter.  And we do not have the benefit, or the need to know, to be able to comment accordingly.  Its a bit presumptuous of you to think that anyone is going to boycott this forum and/or product simply because YOU want justice.  Your problem dude.  Deal with it and move on.   

    Bit of an untish thing to say... and i can assure you i did not do anything before this post to contribute, but im guessing your a LIF fan so lets leave it there.

    But if people don't speak out against this crap they nothing will be done, just like with day 1 dlc, steam mods for sale etc, big youtubers speak out about this because its WRONG and if we are all complacent with crap then your like one of those human beings who says screw the starving poor person, i'm rich and full.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    Originally posted by LacedOpium

     

    WE don't know you.  We weren't there so therefore we do not know any prior warnings, foul behavior, or questionable history that might have contributed to this ultimate ban.  A forum poster's history does matter.  And we do not have the benefit, or the need to know, to be able to comment accordingly. 

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  • strawhat0981strawhat0981 Member RarePosts: 1,224
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    Originally posted by Boneserino

    Don't worry OP, with a mind like yours I am sure you will be banned from plenty of other forums as well.

     

    Can't wait to hear who wronged you next!

    With a mind like mine? what someone who speaks his mind and is opposed to wrongful bans on forums that state no such rules against it? so now you try to insult me over my personality? what sort of person does that make you then? a troll? a sh mixer? or just a bad person who wants to make fun of others?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,938
    Originally posted by Chattaway
     

    and is opposed to wrongful bans on forums that state no such rules against it? 

    um, Chattaway, did you actually read their guidelines? image

    https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

    General Rules

    Do not do any of the following:

    • Derail a thread's topic

    Off-Limit Topics/Replies

    Do not post any topics/replies containing the following:

    • Soliciting, begging, auctioning, raffling, selling, advertising, referrals
     
     
    And you would have to tell us if this was applicable. I'm going to assume no "just because":
     

    Repeated Offenders

    Repeated offenders of the above rules and guidelines will be banned from the Steam Community. Any moderator has the ability to ban a user for violating the rules at their discretion.

     
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  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652
    actually anyone who posts on steams forums knows that majority of the bans happening are from moronic unpaid fanboi mods that do not like any negativity to their beloved game. The devs usually assign moderators on these forums from their post counts and how much ass kissing they generally do. I read tons of early access forums where devs do not even update or post for sometimes a month or longer and anyone who says anything remotely negative gets banned yet they allow trolling even threatening comments against you without banning those people. Valve and steam is a piece of shit company wise and majority of its community seriously. I wouldnt even remotely care if you were banned OP it just means you do not kiss the game devs butts.
  • Unknown
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Chattaway
     

    and is opposed to wrongful bans on forums that state no such rules against it? 

    um, Chattaway, did you actually read their guidelines? image

    https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

    General Rules

    Do not do any of the following:

    • Derail a thread's topic

    Off-Limit Topics/Replies

    Do not post any topics/replies containing the following:

    • Soliciting, begging, auctioning, raffling, selling, advertising, referrals
     
     
    And you would have to tell us if this was applicable. I'm going to assume no "just because":
     

    Repeated Offenders

    Repeated offenders of the above rules and guidelines will be banned from the Steam Community. Any moderator has the ability to ban a user for violating the rules at their discretion.

     

    Well they did not state referrals was the reason for being banned, and if simply linking what i did counted as that they interesting how i never been banned before this for the same thing, so the devs are just paranoid, controlling and insecure then.

  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206

    I have to say,you went straight away and just linked GV,without saying anything else.

    I looks very guerrilla  marketing.

     

  • MagnetiaMagnetia Member UncommonPosts: 1,015

    You don't seem to understand what freedom of speech is. you're allowed to say anything you want but you're gonna have to accept the consequences of doing so. 

    Maybe you wre the 2586th guy they banned because gloria victus was spamming bots on their forums.

    In the GW2 forums clear rules are stated and if you break those rules you can be banned without notice.

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  • BraindomeBraindome Member UncommonPosts: 959
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Look carefully at what you did.  A person wrote a post asking 3 questions, you didn't attempt to answer any of them, you simply posted a link to another competing game, of course they banned you.

    Perhaps with a well thought out reply the person might have bought the game, but the world will never know.

    Yeah, I think this is the "right" of it.

    @op: you aren't really looking at what you did and you keep repeating "I talked about games on other forums ..." so stop that. Great that you could do that but forum rules are different from one forum to another.

     

    First off, I don't think you should have been banned. Not even a temp ban. A simple reminder (couch it in the language of "warning" if you want) is all that was needed.

    Essentially someone in a "store" had questions and you didn't answer the questions you just referred them to another game. Those "forums" are more than just "forums", they are places where they are trying to sell their product.

    Now, I have to repeat "again" that I don't think any ban was needed just a "hey man, just a reminder that these devs are trying to sell their game and it's always hard for indy devs so please don't suggest competitors in these forums" would have sufficed.

    But, as Kyleran very wisely pointed out they banned you for a very specific reason that definitely has its own logic.

    Then why was no reason stated? they banned without reason, which means they msut be in the wrong because no forum should ban a person for talking about another game, people talk about other games in forums all the time, go look at the world of warcraft forums, peopel talk about a million different mmos there all day and never get banned. like the other guy said, freedom of speech is pretty much dead when it comes to indie devs.

    And as for the russian thing, yes it seems to be the russian devs who do these silly bans, i've never had this from any other place, i mean hell everyone and his grandma slagged mortal online off for another game on their forums at somepoint lol and never got a ban. But swedes are cooler i guess :)

    You just argued with the most reasonable response and really showed no respect here for someone trying to show you respect. Seriously man, he just said you didn't deserve a ban in his opinion and you lash out at him that you didn't deserve a ban? You are literally arguing with a brick wall of logic, coming off arrogant and not even paying attention.

    Do you always treat people that are trying to help you this way?

  • LordZeikLordZeik Member UncommonPosts: 276
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by LacedOpium

     

    WE don't know you.  We weren't there so therefore we do not know any prior warnings, foul behavior, or questionable history that might have contributed to this ultimate ban.  A forum poster's history does matter.  And we do not have the benefit, or the need to know, to be able to comment accordingly. 

    That's actually an excellent point.

    We do know his history though. Apparently, he's done this on a regular basis. Only thing he's really done though is given this game a little extra attention though. Exact opposite of what he was hoping for. May pick this title up when there's a sale.

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    I stated this on the subject of Reddit and Ill reiterate it here for the OP. Unless you privately own the Message Board you do not have Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Press. Every time you sign up to post on a Message Board you agree to the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct that is set by the Message Board Admins. They(the message board admins and forum moderators) can interpret these rules as they see fit, and ban people as they see fit. If you dont like this fact then dont register for public forums. It is just that simple.

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  • Unknown
    Originally posted by akiira69
    I stated this on the subject of Reddit and Ill reiterate it here for the OP. Unless you privately own the Message Board you do not have Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Press. Every time you sign up to post on a Message Board you agree to the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct that is set by the Message Board Admins. They(the message board admins and forum moderators) can interpret these rules as they see fit, and ban people as they see fit. If you dont like this fact then dont register for public forums. It is just that simple.

    Don't quote the law and look at whats right and wrong morally, because stoning someone to death in the middle east is legal,  doesn't make it right and will never make it right to me.

    I get there are rules, but who goes to such lengths to enforce a rule most others don't simply because you're jelous and scared of what someone said.

    I just find is pathetic quite simply put, and they MAY have had the right to do what they did but the fact THEY DID shows what kind of people they are.

  • strawhat0981strawhat0981 Member RarePosts: 1,224
    Originally posted by Magnetia
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Chattaway
     

    and is opposed to wrongful bans on forums that state no such rules against it? 

    um, Chattaway, did you actually read their guidelines? image

    https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

    General Rules

    Do not do any of the following:

    • Derail a thread's topic

    Off-Limit Topics/Replies

    Do not post any topics/replies containing the following:

    • Soliciting, begging, auctioning, raffling, selling, advertising, referrals
     
     
    And you would have to tell us if this was applicable. I'm going to assume no "just because":
     

    Repeated Offenders

    Repeated offenders of the above rules and guidelines will be banned from the Steam Community. Any moderator has the ability to ban a user for violating the rules at their discretion.

     

    Well they did not state referrals was the reason for being banned, and if simply linking what i did counted as that they interesting how i never been banned before this for the same thing, so the devs are just paranoid, controlling and insecure then.

     the customer is always right. 

    I thought that was known worldwide.

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  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by Chattaway
    Originally posted by akiira69
    I stated this on the subject of Reddit and Ill reiterate it here for the OP. Unless you privately own the Message Board you do not have Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Press. Every time you sign up to post on a Message Board you agree to the Terms of Use and Code of Conduct that is set by the Message Board Admins. They(the message board admins and forum moderators) can interpret these rules as they see fit, and ban people as they see fit. If you dont like this fact then dont register for public forums. It is just that simple.

    Don't quote the law and look at whats right and wrong morally, because stoning someone to death in the middle east is legal,  doesn't make it right and will never make it right to me.

    I get there are rules, but who goes to such lengths to enforce a rule most others don't simply because you're jelous and scared of what someone said.

    I just find is pathetic quite simply put, and they MAY have had the right to do what they did but the fact THEY DID shows what kind of people they are.

    The letter of the law or in this case the ToU and the CoC has nothing to do with Morality. The ToU and CoC are there to prevent situations from turning in to a 4chan and VNBoards situation. 4chan and VNBoards are prime examples of what can go wrong when rules arent followed. These message boards(well 4chan is the only one left standing as VNBoards were shut down) have turned into nothing but flame thread after flame thread. Because of this a vast majority of Message Board owners have decided it is better to ban the troll before the flame war starts than to allow the flame war to ruin the message board altogether.

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  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,150

    Looking at OP's forum history this is the second time he made this exact thread, just with different screenshots.

    Old thread from 2014

     

    Old screenshot

    New screenshot

     

    What's impressive is that its the exact same quote but on a different steam user name so its obvious you have an agenda against life is feudal.

    Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Originally posted by Narwrynn

    Runescape used to have a rule about talk.mentioning other sites or video games. So you couldn't even really tell someone to get answers on a fansite. I think that prohibition has been lifted. 

    People talk about indie dev's like i should be impressed by them but half the games they make are complete crap and the other have are nuts like the guy from Fez. 

    Those are 'simple' devs that are suddenly becoming 'the boss', and have no way how to run a company or how to treat customers and what their rights are.

     

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Shaigh

    Looking at OP's forum history this is the second time he made this exact thread, just with different screenshots.

    Old thread from 2014

     

    Old screenshot

    New screenshot

     

    What's impressive is that its the exact same quote but on a different steam user name so its obvious you have an agenda against life is feudal.

    Great find! Always nice to see trolls and bullshit artists getting exposed for what they are.

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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Originally posted by Shaigh

    Looking at OP's forum history this is the second time he made this exact thread, just with different screenshots.

    Old thread from 2014

     

    Old screenshot

    New screenshot

     

    What's impressive is that its the exact same quote but on a different steam user name so its obvious you have an agenda against life is feudal.

    That's quite a long time to hold a grudge, why bring it up again now OP?

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