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Well i ordered a 980ti...
Of course i have to wait for amazon to get it in stock, but they'll ship it as soon as it comes in...
Anyone wanna take bets on how many weeks before i get it?
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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It ain't looking all that great for AMD.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
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Certainly wasn't an impulse buy, and being as i have a gsync monitor i would not be purchasing an AMD card anyways.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm heavily considering buying the 980 TI as a birthday gift for myself in few months (birthday is end of July). I'll then sell my 970 superclocked. :P That'll give me a beastly graphics card that will last a very long time and be on the higher end of the spectrum spec-wise for a long time, just like 780 TI's right now.
I'll then likely end up buying a new monitor within 6 months to a year as well. Haha. Right now, my current monitor is capped at 60 FPS (although I can get higher frames, I won't see beyond the 60).
EDIT: Not sure why, but this listing on Newegg says 'In Stock'. That can't be right. o.o
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487139&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6202798&SID=
EDIT2: Nevermind. I'll definitely get the EVGA Superclocked ACX 2.0 980 TI, which I believe is around 679 or 669 USD. It'll definitely be worth it in the long run for those of us that can afford it, and it should last a very long time and have no trouble playing anything on max for a very very long time. I'm confident in that assumption.
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/graphics/44724-evga-geforce-gtx-980ti-sc-review
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I wouldn't have done that. I'd generally advise against buying things that are out of stock in hopes that you'll get it once it comes in stock. That can make you end up waiting weeks. Or months. Or quite a while and then the order gets canceled.
Even in your case, when you probably would have bought a GTX 980 Ti regardless of how good Fiji is, I'd have at least waited for a card to be in stock before buying it. There's also a significant chance that Fiji will be competitive enough to force price drops on the GTX 980 Ti to compete.
ATI / AMD used to be the king, now its hard to say. I had a ATI 9700 pro that lasted forever and it was the king. Then ATI seemed to slip alot I had a cheap nvidia card that did the job, but the fan crapped out. I ended up buying the same card used because I found it dirt cheap.
Got a new pc had a AMD HD 6570 in it which sucked. I could play most games at 1080, but on medium to low settings. I just purchased an R9 270x which runs well, but driver support is terrible from ATI lately. The last official ATI driver release was in December 2014. That is unacceptable. They have released a couple beta drivers mainly for GTA V and Witcher 3, but thats not the point. If ATI doesnt get it together they will be toast. The 980ti frames rates are w / in 1-2 of the Titan for almost half the price. If the Fiji does not work out i think AMD will be in serious trouble.
This relying on 'E3 hype to sell' strategy makes me think AMD is further behind than anyone expects.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
That's about as improbable as claiming that AMD was sideswiped by the sun rising in the east. Ever since Nvidia launched the Titan X in March, it's been completely obvious that they could and probably would launch at least one salvage part of the chip and likely more. How much of the chip would be disabled and how much the salvage parts would cost was not immediately obvious. But $650 is the most that Nvidia has ever charged for a card that isn't their flagship.
Indeed, ever since the GTX 980 launched last September, it's been obvious that Nvidia could build a bigger Maxwell chip. The question was whether they would and how much bigger. So no, AMD wasn't surprised to see the GTX 980 Ti launch.
What's far more probable is that they're having problems getting enough cards for a decent launch. This could be due to Hynix having trouble manufacturing HBM, AMD having yield problems with their own HBM controller or interposer, AMD struggling with yields in building a huge GPU on Global Foundries' 28 nm SHP process (as is rumored but not officially announced), or any number of other things.
Contrary to claims of people who really don't know what they're talking about, companies don't sit on perfectly good products and time their release for dramatic effect. If you've clearly won a round, you want to get your product out as soon as possible so you can make as much money as possible off of your win before competitors catch up. If you've clearly lost a round, delaying your product only makes it look worse when it finally does launch. Delays happen for reasons of engineering, not because marketing decided to delay for the sake of delaying.
One thing that I see as notable is that Nvidia seemed in a rush to get both the Titan X and the GTX 980 Ti out, with the Titan X getting basically a paper launch, and the GTX 980 Ti a soft launch even months later. If they knew that Fiji were terrible, I wouldn't see any reason to rush, as Nvidia already had the high end in the GTX 980. If they knew that Fiji were awesome, then there's much stronger incentives to do a premature launch and try to snap up some sales at higher prices before being forced to slash prices to compete.
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I think people are missing something very important here. It costs a ton of money to design a new architecture and bring a bunch of chips based on it to market. You have to do so periodically to compete, of course, and new process nodes especially force a new lineup. That's why AMD launched GCN and Nvidia launched Kepler in 2012.
Nvidia decided to put in the effort to launch a new architecture with new chips about two years after Kepler. Developing Maxwell cost a lot of money. AMD decided not to put in that effort for a new architecture, and it's a whole lot cheaper to not spend the engineering costs to develop something. Nvidia has a better architecture on the market now because of those decisions, but it's not like AMD spent hundreds of millions of dollars developing a new architecture with not much to show for it. That is, this isn't a Bulldozer disaster.
My speculation is that AMD decided that instead of putting engineering resources into a replacement for GCN on the same process node, they put those resources into the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One instead. Those consoles launched just shy of two years after GCN, or right around the time AMD likely would have been ready with a new GPU architecture and a new lineup.
It doesn't work well to hire a bunch of engineers when you have a big project coming and then lay them all off when the project is done. The people to design the console chips had to come from somewhere, and the lack of a new GPU architecture is probably part of it. AMD has even admitted that the lack of turbo in Kabini/Temash was another part of it, as they decided that getting good console chips out on time was more important than having a good uncore on a chip for tablets and budget laptops. It's not like AMD just happened to have a bunch of console engineers sitting around creating a new big console APU every year or so.
Don't bet on that. The trouble lately has been that there aren't new process nodes to move to. Next year, 14/16 nm process nodes with finfets come out, and that's two full die shrinks right there. If you can just get the expected gains from process node improvements, you'd expect to double your performance in the same power envelope.
If you need a new card for whatever reason, then sure, get a new card. But if I were in your situation, I'd hang onto that GTX 970 a while longer. Wait for 14/16 nm cards with finfets and HBM and so forth, and that's going to be a huge jump in whatever efficiency metrics you like.
The GTX 780 Ti's process node is still the best available for discrete GPUs two years after launch; that's not going to be the case for the GTX 980 Ti. Not even close. The next big advance in process nodes might well be the largest jump ever. At minimum, it's probably going to be the largest in decades, going back to the early days of microprocessors.
The announcement of the 980TI itself wasn't the issue, everyone knew something was coming at this event by Nvidia. The issue was that the 980Ti is 5% less than a TitanX for only $650. That's what everyone at this event was saying and so far AMD has not denied that. Social media blew up with that ' AMD decided to change their keynote at the last min' comment.
Marketing sets the launch date of products all the time, what are you talking about? I'm 100% sure Apple's engineer department will have almost nothing to do with when the next Iphone's launch is. It is 'Sept of this year at Cupertino Apple's HQ' just like their previous 2 announcements.
PS. I can't believe I'm going to debate Quizzical on Hardware. Jesus christ, I'm gonna get mauled.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
As evidenced by the on-board graphics element of Intel's new 14nm Haswell cpus.
A concern to NVidia, card assemblers and AMD (although AMD should have its own "serious" gpu+cpu out next year).
And in a large company project management (probably) will take inputs from all the teams involved (finance, marketing, engineering, HR, planning, manufacturing, logistics, commercial in particular) to come up with a "sensible" Target Release Date; which may include contingency. Appropriate oversight will then work to achieve the TRD - solving problems hopefully through maybe e.g extra resource and - if it comes to it - slipping the date. They will pretty much all work together though.
I can assure you that AMD is plenty capable of figuring out how a Titan X would have performed if you changed clock speeds and disabled particular components. So no, performance isn't a surprise to them. Sure, AMD didn't come out and say, "We knew that our competitor's product was going to be really good", but when's the last time any hardware company ever said that?
When the next iPhone can launch is dictated by when it is ready. If Apple engineers said it's not going to work at all by September, then marketing wouldn't decide to launch it in or before September. If engineers said we're going to have many millions of them ready to go in June, Apple marketing wouldn't wait until September. There are some fairly predictable delays in hardware, as you place an order and it's several weeks before you have chips back from the fabs. So it's not like software where you might still be trying to fix significant bugs a week before launch.
Hardware also isn't like software in that you can't launch a broken product and patch it later. A software or even firmware patch doesn't fix transistors doing the wrong thing.
Now, marketing can say we should launch it on a Tuesday rather than a Saturday. And they can say, let's launch it as soon as we have enough good review samples to give the media, or let's wait until we have enough inventory that everyone who wants one on launch day can buy one, or somewhere in between. But those boundary dates are dictated by engineering, and if marketing tries to pick a launch date outside of them, they're going to get fired for incompetence.
This to me is like ordering a new Samsung Galaxy XX before the new iPhone XX releases. Although iPhone is a remarkable product, I would pick any newer android device over it. Besides, it seems something newer and faster will be out in a matter of weeks.
It's all personal preference, and NVidia has always been a leader in graphics cards.
Good choice on the new card OP! I could probably sell my car and get one, but my wife couldn't go to the market in a video card. o.O
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No, but AMD can say 'we always intended to launch Fury/Fiji at E3' cause look at the news cycle right now. All everyone's talking about is how 980TI is good or why AMD isn't denying the claim they changed their minds at the last minute and why AMD would do such a thing.
Either AMD has an incompetent marketing team (which could be true) or the claim has some truth to it.
This isn't to say 'Fury/Fiji' is good or bad. All I'm saying is that indication points to AMD having a 'not as up to par as 980TI'.
Actually, looking at their previous releases, AMD always launched the model first and let their partner's launch their version later (OC'ed or watercooled or whatever). This is the first time when it'll be done together which is why the story has legs.
Last I checked, Iphone5C came out a year after Iphone5. Now, I am not a big fan of Apple but even I accept their engineering department probably didn't take a year to put something like that together and the launch was probably dictated by their marketing team.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Its a shame that Nvidia is doing so well really... crippling old cards through drivers intentionally, creating things like hairworks that only works on their cards (when amd releases theres to be compatible all around)... Nvidia is getting really anti competitive here.
Here is a link to a very interesting post that I read.
Well i wasn't in a rush, but i checked today and they actually had the EVGA one in stock, so i cancelled the order on the other and submitted it on that. So, guess should be here sometime next week.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Like you said, its personal preference. Ive been buying video cards for the better part of 20 years and up until pretty recently, about the gtx 4xx era, i bought plenty of AMD cards. I just prefer nvidia, i have less problems, they're quieter generally, use less power, etc.
Consequently i also would never buy an iphone, i think they're humongous pieces of shit, but then, i hate apple, almost irrationally so.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
I dont know how long in will take. Since im a student i get everything in two days with the Prime free trial for students.
With that said, i would not buy something that is not in stock. If Amazon is out of stock, i go to Newegg or somewhere else. I buy online because its convenient, but if i have to wait for them to restock then i just go somewhere else or go in person. Thats just me. I dont see the point in buying out of stock merchandise.