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So, they give something away for free, and those of us that paid for it 2 years ago dont get anything... well beside the fact we have had access to the product for 2 years.
Its a clever move by Anet, the only thing they missed is how gamers have the following misconceptions.
They are fans first and customers second... no you are both at the same time like it or lump it.
If you give person A something you have to give me something too, otherwise its a Slap in the face / Middle Finger/ Disespectful to your "loyal" fans / unfair (delete as appropriate). No they do not, you are entitled to what you pay for, they did not even say "people who buy the Xpac get a free COPY of the base game" just "People who buy the xpac get free access to the base game"
Now would it be nice to throw you a bone, sure, but do they have to? no not at all, and theres nothing wrong with that. Its a product its been given a price, sure give them some feedback on it, thats great, but you did that and they said "yeah we are listening and looking into it" that doesnt mean anything will happen, after all acknowledgement does not mean agreement.
So why carry it on here? like its going to make any difference, the supporters of GW2 will tell you to shut up, the ones that hate it blindly will jump on it and agree with you, and most of us will just think something in between the following two points "Good on them for trying to get a better deal" and "look at the self entitled whiners"
It's pretty much the price of a whole new game. Right now I could buy The Witcher 3 for around that price, or a number of other games offering 100hrs or more of content. As for the last three years, if A-net needs to collect "back-pay" maybe they should have chosen another business model.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And that's really just arguing the value of the expansion overall. If you don't think you are getting value for your money, don't buy it.
Pure comedy gold, a class on finance management while talking about paying for the same content twice so others (new players) can have a free ride through the base game, meanwhile "veteran" players expecting you know a free character slot to compensate is TRUE entitlement.
Oh, you forgot to mention GW2 has a cash shop just like GW1 did.
It's arguing the value of $50 to be more precise, which is what the person I was replying to was doing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Love the math skills....
How did you come up with paying for the same content twice? I'll wait while you try to figure that one out.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Anet is not the only company to do this. Why are you crying about it now?
First let me say I am a fan of GW2 and my wife purchased the Deluxe edition ($100) for me as a father's day gift.
Do I feel ripped off? Nope. I have played well over 1200 hours of GW2 over the last three years, and no I haven't played the entire time (I actually missed most of season 1 and I only logged in patch day during S2 to get the content and not have to pay for it later).
Do I blame others for feeling ripped off? Nope, you are more than entitled to how you feel. I do feel some people are being a tad short sighted, but the reality is that I won't be able to change their minds.
The reality is that if you have purchased only the original box at full price and have now purchased the $50 expansion pack, you are sitting at roughly $120 (after taxes) worth of an investment into a mmorpg. In grand scheme of things that is extremely inexpensive.
If you were playing a subscription based mmorpg for the same amount of time (and we'll call it 3 years for simplicity sake), you are out $540+the original box price, so more like $600 total and a bit more after tax. Also remember that unless you didn't log in during S2 you have not been pay gated out of content at all over the last three years. Which is fairly unusual for other B2P, F2P or Freemium mmorpgs. Realistically, even with the current price point, the experience of playing GW2 is significantly cheaper than many other mmorpgs out there.
It's also significantly cheaper than even many annual multiplayer/single player games. Look at CoD. They release what is basically a glorified DLC for $60 each year. Any of the annual sports games are also expensive roster and schedule updates. Nothing in those games is significantly better than the game from the previous year. Every now and again there's a decent jump in looks, but the whole process has been extremely gradual over years.
Finally, I will say that I commend ANet on including the base game for free with the expansion for those who don't already own the game. Many mmorpgs have required you to purchase previous expansions along with the most current expansion in order to play. The barrier of entry to WoW was pretty significant before adding most of the expansions to the battlechest package, and the game STILL charged a sub!
In my eyes the cost of the GW2 expansion isn't all that terrible. I do feel the base package is a touch high and probably should have included a character slot (for the new class), but that's not directly up to me. My wife and I chose to further support the game with our purchases.
For those who feel passionately that the price is far too much, I encourage you to vote with your wallets and not purchase until the price is more to what you feel is fair (if at all). Money, or lack there of, is really the only way to show a company how you feel.
Tears from laughing at what folks like you have been saying?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Simple economics, the price of the "new" players is absorbed via the "older" players paying twice, it's called high/low in sales and marketing. Google it.
Yes it's "crying."
Edit:
Name 5 MMO's games that bundled the NEW expansion with the base game...............ready...............set..................go.
I said back pay because Eye factored it into his argument as if the last three years are relevant to the price of something going forward. As for those prices, again depends on what people got for that price, if what they received was worth 50 it's all fine and good, if not, well not so good. (RED) how in any way was I saying that? WTh? For the record I never said it wasn't worth the price, no one knows that yet, I'm just pointing out what I'd expect for the price. Based on what i could get for that price elsewhere.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't like this line of thinking because many games are way to long versus how good they are. Witcher 3 is an amazing game, but there are many games which overstays their welcome, and particularly in MMORPGs you usually have over saturated bloated expansions were the content is mediocre only to be forgotten.
The solution is not to throw as many maps and areas after the players as possible. That is stupid. That might look fancy on the back of the box or be fun for the first few months, but that won't retain players.
The fact is, we don't know the real replay value of HoT because the hard challenging content has not been shown to us yet. It is ignorant to act like you know weather or not the expansion will give that amount of gameplay.
I've bought games for 60 dollars that lasted 10 hours, but were worth it because the content was so good. And I've bought games that are easily 100-200 hours that bored me to death. I wish people would stop acting like quantity as a means of value. Quality above all. Particularly in a MMO like GW2.
Nobody is telling you to preorder. You got the option. Having the option to do something is not a demand. It's merely an option. You're not losing anything unless you really want the beta access or whatever.
I will start. WoW
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
No it doesn't. You have to purchase the base (which includes all of the older expansions) AND Warlords of Draenor if you want the newest content.
For years you had to purchase the last two expansions plus the base game in order to have access. It was only with WoD that they added ALL previous expansions into the battlechest.
Here's a link to their store page.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/shop/game-purchase/?utm_campaign=Shop_Buy&utm_source=Internal-WoW&utm_medium=Games_Subscriptions&utm_content=Purchase_subscriptions_options
High-Low Pricing
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Advantages of High-Low Pricing
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Disadvantages of High-Low Pricing
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Kind of reaching aren't we?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
It's not a matter of quantity it's a matter of value, did I say only a game with 100's of hours of content is worth that? No. It was merely an example, context is everything, the context was what 50 dollars can net you, in response to someone arguing the worth of 50 dollars.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You think a base game (GW2) going from $40(ish) in value to FREE in a week is reaching? Wonder how a business in going to recoup the expense of all those boxed editions sitting at retailers that are now FREE.
This mindset gets gaming studios closed because you and the rest of the people who agree to bait and switch can't sustain a game.
Just my 2 cents.
And trust me, having NCSoft as parent company, I guaran...fucking..tee you that if ANet posts a quarter loss, they'll be history, like so many before them. I don't think you need a history lesson on this.
Nope, you have to buy the Battlechest AND THEN the NEW expansion, you fell into:
http://drinksleepbekerri.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/star_wars_its_a_trap.jpg?w=584haha, I like your image. Actually I posted earlier in the thread you do have to buy the basic game and then if you bought WoD the expansions up to MoP were free. In a way it's the same thing, you buy and expansion and get about $200 worth of expansions free. When someone new comes to play WoW (are there any left?) they will be entitled to stuff I had to pay for along the way. It's the same situation here with GW2. Am I sad about some new kid playing WoD and not having to pay for the MoP expansion? nope.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Thanks, I just suck at attaching imagines as pictures instead of links. The important part is the last expansion is ALWAYS separate from the bundled (Warchest IIRC) base game and PREVIOUS expansions.
Free? Arenanet does not even sell it anymore period. I did find it on Amazon though but it sure ain't free.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=guild+wars+2
Anyways I still don't know what this has to do with paying for the same content twice. Whether you think HoT is a rip job or not, has nothing to do with it.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Those 3 years are irrelevant. By that logic, the next EQ expansion should charge over $1000 because it's been out for 16 years and had 21 expansions.
Real world comparisons are also irrelevant. Stay within the realm of MMOs, or video games in general, if you want a more fair comparison.
Let's compare a WoW expansion, since it's the de-facto industry standard.
WoD
Tera: Fate of Arun
HoT