I already stated my feelings on this subject in another thread so i won't repeat those.However on the mention of character slots,it is and should be a non factor.The reason is your game should be 100% focused on your character,you should be able to do everything on your character without any need for another character unless we are talking about separate accounts and duo boxing.
One other new point is that when we are trying to decipher business decisions,those need to include the customer,not just what is right or makes sense from the business stand point.Without your customer,you have no business,simple as that,so everything should be FAIR for both sides.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Now forums are full of people who thinks that this is not real expansion, that there are no enough features etc.
But few days before release when all details will be known, everyone will understand( whether is willing to admit or not) that GW2 is high quality product and current price is just symbolic fee for what we get.
All I can say after reading up on this expansion kerfuffle is that no matter what type of game, no matter what pricing plan you use, someone will always find something to piss and moan about.
Not a fan of GW2 myself, found it to be an incredibly dull MMO. However for those that do play, and have been enjoying themselves with no extra fees since launch, and have been wanting new content, why does this meager expansion price seem so off base to you? Anyone playing a subscription or even a FTP with a cash shop MMO, would have already dumped much more money for about the same amount of fun. And I'll bet that many who play GW2 have done just that on other games. So why does GW2 have to beggar themselves when they are still asking for a pittance of what people pay for other games of the same content value?
same as with everything else people need to feel it's worth the money or they simply wont shell out the cash. doesn't matter if it's a sub or an expansion.
or should they just blindly throw cash at everything a devs offers even if it's looking "meh" ?
"...we have to remember that GW2 never has had a subscription. This box price will go a long way to further enrich the game with content after launch."
The game has been out more than 2.5 years. 2.5 years that you could have been playing without paying another dime. 2.5 years where new content was developed and delivered FOR FREE.
I see the $50 as part appreciation for past content, part paying for the expansion. If you hated everything in the past 2.5 years I don't see why you would want to buy the expansion anyway. And if you absolutely must have it for cheap, wait for the inevitable sales and prices drops, ... in six months or so.
If you read Arenanet's FAQ and marketing carefully, they promise this is the only pre-PURCHASE (not pre-order) offer we'll see.
They emphasize that within hours of purchase, certain virtual goods will be delivered to your gw2 account. And you get the weekend tests, title, etc.
What they do not say, anywhere (be stupid to do so) is say this will be the only expansion offering ever.
My prediction given the careful wording is that they are holding tight through the current uproar, and bracing for another wave of s-storm when on release day the expansion drops by 50%.
I think they should at least give all the expansion details prior to selling. If what's currently been shared is all that's on offer the price tag is ridiculous.
All I can say after reading up on this expansion kerfuffle is that no matter what type of game, no matter what pricing plan you use, someone will always find something to piss and moan about.
Not a fan of GW2 myself, found it to be an incredibly dull MMO. However for those that do play, and have been enjoying themselves with no extra fees since launch, and have been wanting new content, why does this meager expansion price seem so off base to you? Anyone playing a subscription or even a FTP with a cash shop MMO, would have already dumped much more money for about the same amount of fun. And I'll bet that many who play GW2 have done just that on other games. So why does GW2 have to beggar themselves when they are still asking for a pittance of what people pay for other games of the same content value?
same as with everything else people need to feel it's worth the money or they simply wont shell out the cash. doesn't matter if it's a sub or an expansion.
or should they just blindly throw cash at everything a devs offers even if it's looking "meh" ?
Personally I pay for expansions to the games I enjoy no matter how much content there is. I don't normally measure what I get for the price I'm paying simply because without it I'm missing out on what I enjoy. No one questioned the amount of content WoW puts out in their expansions, folks just buy them and then pay a subscription on top of that. I don't understand the debacle over GW2s expansion is causing some people. If you want it just buy it, if not move on.
Anyway, I think that if you love GW2 you are going to pay for the expansion no matter how much content is being released, simply because you want to support the title and further development.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
All I can say after reading up on this expansion kerfuffle is that no matter what type of game, no matter what pricing plan you use, someone will always find something to piss and moan about.
Not a fan of GW2 myself, found it to be an incredibly dull MMO. However for those that do play, and have been enjoying themselves with no extra fees since launch, and have been wanting new content, why does this meager expansion price seem so off base to you? Anyone playing a subscription or even a FTP with a cash shop MMO, would have already dumped much more money for about the same amount of fun. And I'll bet that many who play GW2 have done just that on other games. So why does GW2 have to beggar themselves when they are still asking for a pittance of what people pay for other games of the same content value?
same as with everything else people need to feel it's worth the money or they simply wont shell out the cash. doesn't matter if it's a sub or an expansion.
or should they just blindly throw cash at everything a devs offers even if it's looking "meh" ?
Personally I pay for expansions to the games I enjoy no matter how much content there is. I don't normally measure what I get for the price I'm paying simply because without it I'm missing out on what I enjoy. No one questioned the amount of content WoW puts out in their expansions, folks just buy them and then pay a subscription on top of that. I don't understand the debacle over GW2s expansion is causing some people. If you want it just buy it, if not move on.
Anyway, I think that if you love GW2 you are going to pay for the expansion no matter how much content is being released, simply because you want to support the title and further development.
so far the only thing that interest me is the Reaper specialization. so i wouldn't feel comfortable paying 50 bucks just for that.
if you dont care what you get you might end up with a turd in your hand if you keep happily paying for whatever they offer you.
All I can say after reading up on this expansion kerfuffle is that no matter what type of game, no matter what pricing plan you use, someone will always find something to piss and moan about.
Not a fan of GW2 myself, found it to be an incredibly dull MMO. However for those that do play, and have been enjoying themselves with no extra fees since launch, and have been wanting new content, why does this meager expansion price seem so off base to you? Anyone playing a subscription or even a FTP with a cash shop MMO, would have already dumped much more money for about the same amount of fun. And I'll bet that many who play GW2 have done just that on other games. So why does GW2 have to beggar themselves when they are still asking for a pittance of what people pay for other games of the same content value?
same as with everything else people need to feel it's worth the money or they simply wont shell out the cash. doesn't matter if it's a sub or an expansion.
or should they just blindly throw cash at everything a devs offers even if it's looking "meh" ?
Personally I pay for expansions to the games I enjoy no matter how much content there is. I don't normally measure what I get for the price I'm paying simply because without it I'm missing out on what I enjoy. No one questioned the amount of content WoW puts out in their expansions, folks just buy them and then pay a subscription on top of that. I don't understand the debacle over GW2s expansion is causing some people. If you want it just buy it, if not move on.
Anyway, I think that if you love GW2 you are going to pay for the expansion no matter how much content is being released, simply because you want to support the title and further development.
so far the only thing that interest me is the Reaper specialization. so i wouldn't feel comfortable paying 50 bucks just for that.
if you dont care what you get you might end up with a turd in your hand if you keep happily paying for whatever they offer you.
Or I can just take what they give and support 3 years of playing with no sub. I bought WoD and although it was ok, it wasn't what I would have liked on top of paying the sub. No matter what, it's only $50, and to me that isn't that much and hardly a life changing investment if it is a "turd".
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
All I can say after reading up on this expansion kerfuffle is that no matter what type of game, no matter what pricing plan you use, someone will always find something to piss and moan about.
Not a fan of GW2 myself, found it to be an incredibly dull MMO. However for those that do play, and have been enjoying themselves with no extra fees since launch, and have been wanting new content, why does this meager expansion price seem so off base to you? Anyone playing a subscription or even a FTP with a cash shop MMO, would have already dumped much more money for about the same amount of fun. And I'll bet that many who play GW2 have done just that on other games. So why does GW2 have to beggar themselves when they are still asking for a pittance of what people pay for other games of the same content value?
same as with everything else people need to feel it's worth the money or they simply wont shell out the cash. doesn't matter if it's a sub or an expansion.
or should they just blindly throw cash at everything a devs offers even if it's looking "meh" ?
Personally I pay for expansions to the games I enjoy no matter how much content there is. I don't normally measure what I get for the price I'm paying simply because without it I'm missing out on what I enjoy. No one questioned the amount of content WoW puts out in their expansions, folks just buy them and then pay a subscription on top of that. I don't understand the debacle over GW2s expansion is causing some people. If you want it just buy it, if not move on.
Anyway, I think that if you love GW2 you are going to pay for the expansion no matter how much content is being released, simply because you want to support the title and further development.
so far the only thing that interest me is the Reaper specialization. so i wouldn't feel comfortable paying 50 bucks just for that.
if you dont care what you get you might end up with a turd in your hand if you keep happily paying for whatever they offer you.
Or I can just take what they give and support 3 years of playing with no sub. I bought WoD and although it was ok, it wasn't what I would have liked on top of paying the sub. No matter what, it's only $50, and to me that isn't that much and hardly a life changing investment if it is a "turd".
you can support without buying the expansion if that's your only reason for buying it.. the cash shop is full of stuff you can buy.
i to bought WoD and had no problems paying the price because i liked what they showed me.
GW2 has no subscription free, and In-Game purchase are minimal.
50$ for an expansion without subs, and without having to spend cash on F2P bullshit to get full access to the game. I think that's pretty good!
i dont get why so many of you dont understand what the problem here is. its not that the xpac costs $50. its the fact that everyone who is already playing the game right now has the base game and shouldnt have to pay $50 only to get the very small xpac and no 2nd game.
if we pay $50 we should get another copy of the game if we already have the base. if we dont have the base, make the xpack $20. or even $25. i personally wouldnt pay over $20, there seriously is not enough in this xpac to warrant this price.
has nothing to do with 'entitlement' and everything to do with the greed of Arenanet.
Because it's not a problem and only $50, not that big of a deal...or shouldn't be to most people who play GW2.
So if they didn't offer the base game with the expansion pack you would be ok?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I am big fun of GW series and i follow them from gw1. The price for this expansion is really strange from Anet. Normal price will be 30$. But lets forget the price. Problem is that a new player that will preorder today they get everything and old veteran players gets nothing extra or a lower price at least. If you ask me keep your money for now and wait until we have a release date. I hope until then they change their offer and they show some respect to old players. Time will tell. If they leave it like this there is too many free games and some new ones come this year to worth their money. This is not Anet i know.
Works fine for me. Basically it's saying that anyone who had the base game before Jan 2015 and purchases Heart of Thorns will be getting a character slot.
For our long-standing fans and loyal players, we would like to say thank you and show our appreciation. For all players who registered the core Guild Wars 2® game prior to January 23, 2015 and who upgrade their account by prepurchasing and registering anyGuild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns edition before Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns‘ launch, we will add one additional character slot to your Guild Wars 2 account. The process of delivering your additional character slot will take us some time, but rest assured we will get it to you as soon as possible. We’ll provide more details about the specific timing soon.
I payed all of $30 for GW2 shortly after its release and it was money well spent. Since then I have spent a total of maybe $20 upgrading my bank slots. For 2 and a half years of play this is easily the least expensive AAA MMO I have played.
It would have been nice to see a more affordable price point, maybe around $30 again for the standard edition, but as good as GW2 is and given that their cash shop is mostly cosmetic I really can't complain.
My only real issue is that as a casual PVE player who solos or duos most of the time I haven't seen a whole lot of news on content that would benefit me. Their site has a few bullet points on some new jungle areas but its all pretty vague. I am going to wait and see just how much content $50 buys that applies to my play style. GW2 has always been my backup game since I sub to 2 other MMO's. If the new expac only offers a few months of content Ill prob pass.
Del Cabon A US Army ('Just Cause') Vet and MMORPG Native formerly of Trinsic, Norath and Dereth. Currently playing LOTRO.
I like the game, I've enjoyed it on and off since launch, however, this expansion is not exactly lighting a fire under my feet to get this one at release.
I like the game, I've enjoyed it on and off since launch, however, this expansion is not exactly lighting a fire under my feet to get this one at release.
You are an old geezer if you remember that commercial! Ha. (I remember it too) I'm not much of a content hog so this looks fine to me. If it lacks substance when It releases and I play for a month or so, I will judge it then. My son won't play betas because he doesn't want to ruin the surprise of what the game entails, so I am going to try his method and I am not going to look to deeply into what is upcoming and just let it come naturally.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
"...we have to remember that GW2 never has had a subscription. This box price will go a long way to further enrich the game with content after launch."
The game has been out more than 2.5 years. 2.5 years that you could have been playing without paying another dime. 2.5 years where new content was developed and delivered FOR FREE.
I see the $50 as part appreciation for past content, part paying for the expansion. If you hated everything in the past 2.5 years I don't see why you would want to buy the expansion anyway. And if you absolutely must have it for cheap, wait for the inevitable sales and prices drops, ... in six months or so.
That's fine but I see it differently. The original game was marketed as B2P and all those updates were part of that purchase.
So this notion of paying for those updates (already given) through an overpriced expansion doesn't work for me.
I have 3 accounts for GW2 (myself, son, wife) and I think one of them was bought at the discounted $30 bux or whatever. So, in the nearly 3 years since release I have paid $150'ish (not counting gem purchases), a whopping ~$4 a month...for 3 accounts. I fail to see how Anet is greedy here. All purchases beyond the box are voluntary (actually so is the box).
If my family was playing a sub' based game I would be dropping over $500 a year (~$45/mo) on sub fee's alone, not counting the box purchase. To me, GW2 value is hard to beat.
I just pre-ordered HoT for all of us, a standard ed', deluxe, and ultimate for $235 I think? If that lasts us another 2-3 years of gaming that is a great deal!
Obviously everyone has their own financial situations and concepts of cost to value, which is fine. But to me, if you look at the big picture, even $50 bux for this xpac is hard to beat. Think about it, that is $4.16 per month if you got minimum 1 year of return on it. Sure, I would have loved to pay for just the xpac @ $30-$40 and not "pay again" for the base game, but it is hard to complain because of the long term investment.
It seems pretty comical that people think Anet is "forcing" you to pay $50 bux or is being greedy with xpac costs. They are not forcing anyone to do anything...don't like it? Then don't buy it. Pretty simple.
But what do I know, I just have a "cushy desk job" and apparently don't work for a living
Consumers, customers, are never entitled because they ask for more when they do not perceive that they have not been given value for money. They fully have the right to object.
But I just wish that they would just object with their dollar and just not buy it.... This complain loudly on forums and then buy it anyhow thing is frikin annoying.
Not only do they support the half serving of a product, to the detriment of all of us, but we also have to put up with their squawking.
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I already stated my feelings on this subject in another thread so i won't repeat those.However on the mention of character slots,it is and should be a non factor.The reason is your game should be 100% focused on your character,you should be able to do everything on your character without any need for another character unless we are talking about separate accounts and duo boxing.
One other new point is that when we are trying to decipher business decisions,those need to include the customer,not just what is right or makes sense from the business stand point.Without your customer,you have no business,simple as that,so everything should be FAIR for both sides.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Now forums are full of people who thinks that this is not real expansion, that there are no enough features etc.
But few days before release when all details will be known, everyone will understand( whether is willing to admit or not) that GW2 is high quality product and current price is just symbolic fee for what we get.
same as with everything else people need to feel it's worth the money or they simply wont shell out the cash. doesn't matter if it's a sub or an expansion.
or should they just blindly throw cash at everything a devs offers even if it's looking "meh" ?
I had fun once, it was terrible.
This:
"...we have to remember that GW2 never has had a subscription. This box price will go a long way to further enrich the game with content after launch."
The game has been out more than 2.5 years. 2.5 years that you could have been playing without paying another dime. 2.5 years where new content was developed and delivered FOR FREE.
I see the $50 as part appreciation for past content, part paying for the expansion. If you hated everything in the past 2.5 years I don't see why you would want to buy the expansion anyway. And if you absolutely must have it for cheap, wait for the inevitable sales and prices drops, ... in six months or so.
They emphasize that within hours of purchase, certain virtual goods will be delivered to your gw2 account. And you get the weekend tests, title, etc.
What they do not say, anywhere (be stupid to do so) is say this will be the only expansion offering ever.
My prediction given the careful wording is that they are holding tight through the current uproar, and bracing for another wave of s-storm when on release day the expansion drops by 50%.
Any wagers?
Steam: Neph
Personally I pay for expansions to the games I enjoy no matter how much content there is. I don't normally measure what I get for the price I'm paying simply because without it I'm missing out on what I enjoy. No one questioned the amount of content WoW puts out in their expansions, folks just buy them and then pay a subscription on top of that. I don't understand the debacle over GW2s expansion is causing some people. If you want it just buy it, if not move on.
Anyway, I think that if you love GW2 you are going to pay for the expansion no matter how much content is being released, simply because you want to support the title and further development.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
so far the only thing that interest me is the Reaper specialization. so i wouldn't feel comfortable paying 50 bucks just for that.
if you dont care what you get you might end up with a turd in your hand if you keep happily paying for whatever they offer you.
I had fun once, it was terrible.
Or I can just take what they give and support 3 years of playing with no sub. I bought WoD and although it was ok, it wasn't what I would have liked on top of paying the sub. No matter what, it's only $50, and to me that isn't that much and hardly a life changing investment if it is a "turd".
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I don't get why people are complaining.
GW2 has no subscription free, and In-Game purchase are minimal.
50$ for an expansion without subs, and without having to spend cash on F2P bullshit to get full access to the game. I think that's pretty good!
you can support without buying the expansion if that's your only reason for buying it.. the cash shop is full of stuff you can buy.
i to bought WoD and had no problems paying the price because i liked what they showed me.
I had fun once, it was terrible.
Because it's not a problem and only $50, not that big of a deal...or shouldn't be to most people who play GW2.
So if they didn't offer the base game with the expansion pack you would be ok?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/
Hey look at that!
Works fine for me. Basically it's saying that anyone who had the base game before Jan 2015 and purchases Heart of Thorns will be getting a character slot.
Veteran Player Appreciation
For our long-standing fans and loyal players, we would like to say thank you and show our appreciation. For all players who registered the core Guild Wars 2® game prior to January 23, 2015 and who upgrade their account by prepurchasing and registering anyGuild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns edition before Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns‘ launch, we will add one additional character slot to your Guild Wars 2 account. The process of delivering your additional character slot will take us some time, but rest assured we will get it to you as soon as possible. We’ll provide more details about the specific timing soon.
I payed all of $30 for GW2 shortly after its release and it was money well spent. Since then I have spent a total of maybe $20 upgrading my bank slots. For 2 and a half years of play this is easily the least expensive AAA MMO I have played.
It would have been nice to see a more affordable price point, maybe around $30 again for the standard edition, but as good as GW2 is and given that their cash shop is mostly cosmetic I really can't complain.
My only real issue is that as a casual PVE player who solos or duos most of the time I haven't seen a whole lot of news on content that would benefit me. Their site has a few bullet points on some new jungle areas but its all pretty vague. I am going to wait and see just how much content $50 buys that applies to my play style. GW2 has always been my backup game since I sub to 2 other MMO's. If the new expac only offers a few months of content Ill prob pass.
Del Cabon
A US Army ('Just Cause') Vet and MMORPG Native formerly of Trinsic, Norath and Dereth. Currently playing LOTRO.
Okay ANET is offering 1 extra slots to all vets with standard package now.
Also they are offering refunds to anyone who bought the game between Jan to june 2015.
I like the game, I've enjoyed it on and off since launch, however, this expansion is not exactly lighting a fire under my feet to get this one at release.
You are an old geezer if you remember that commercial! Ha. (I remember it too) I'm not much of a content hog so this looks fine to me. If it lacks substance when It releases and I play for a month or so, I will judge it then. My son won't play betas because he doesn't want to ruin the surprise of what the game entails, so I am going to try his method and I am not going to look to deeply into what is upcoming and just let it come naturally.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
That's fine but I see it differently. The original game was marketed as B2P and all those updates were part of that purchase.
So this notion of paying for those updates (already given) through an overpriced expansion doesn't work for me.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
I have 3 accounts for GW2 (myself, son, wife) and I think one of them was bought at the discounted $30 bux or whatever. So, in the nearly 3 years since release I have paid $150'ish (not counting gem purchases), a whopping ~$4 a month...for 3 accounts. I fail to see how Anet is greedy here. All purchases beyond the box are voluntary (actually so is the box).
If my family was playing a sub' based game I would be dropping over $500 a year (~$45/mo) on sub fee's alone, not counting the box purchase. To me, GW2 value is hard to beat.
I just pre-ordered HoT for all of us, a standard ed', deluxe, and ultimate for $235 I think? If that lasts us another 2-3 years of gaming that is a great deal!
Obviously everyone has their own financial situations and concepts of cost to value, which is fine. But to me, if you look at the big picture, even $50 bux for this xpac is hard to beat. Think about it, that is $4.16 per month if you got minimum 1 year of return on it. Sure, I would have loved to pay for just the xpac @ $30-$40 and not "pay again" for the base game, but it is hard to complain because of the long term investment.
It seems pretty comical that people think Anet is "forcing" you to pay $50 bux or is being greedy with xpac costs. They are not forcing anyone to do anything...don't like it? Then don't buy it. Pretty simple.
But what do I know, I just have a "cushy desk job" and apparently don't work for a living
Consumers, customers, are never entitled because they ask for more when they do not perceive that they have not been given value for money. They fully have the right to object.
But I just wish that they would just object with their dollar and just not buy it.... This complain loudly on forums and then buy it anyhow thing is frikin annoying.
Not only do they support the half serving of a product, to the detriment of all of us, but we also have to put up with their squawking.