Originally posted by darkrain21 The Cap is making the game a bit aggrevating to me but it is still fun. I just find the adept stuff as a background thing perfect. Send them out to do stuff and work on my order while I personally work on my atlas, awesome cool stuff. Once I reach cap tho only working on the order got boring really really really really fast. So here is hoping the cap goes up so much that i dont notice it anymore.
When you get your adepts, more or less? I mean you get them at some prestige level or is it tied more to the Atlas?
Im just wondering..... i sent my girl out to buy me a new pc tower, ya know pentium quad core built in wifi,,,tera byte hard drive 4 gigs ram
windows 81 upgradeble 10 ,,,but waddaya know she didnt ask about the freakin video omfg dude really.........now to my suprise the intel HD runs the game fine but i heard that the dx 12 in windows 10 my help a lil bit.
"A note to the NVIDIA people I do know I've seen quite a few people with issues with the most recent NVIDIA driver and Skyforge. I had like 20-30 fps with it, but I swapped back to 347.71 and its usually rather constant 50-60+, some areas are of course bad but the diffrence was incredible."
Im just wondering..... i sent my girl out to buy me a new pc tower, ya know pentium quad core built in wifi,,,tera byte hard drive 4 gigs ram
windows 81 upgradeble 10 ,,,but waddaya know she didnt ask about the freakin video omfg dude really.........now to my suprise the intel HD runs the game fine but i heard that the dx 12 in windows 10 my help a lil bit.
DirectX12 is supposed to alleviate the problem that AMD CPUs have with Directx11 (and partially AMD GPUs). IN THEORY
AMD CPUs use many small cores vs Intel's fewer bigger cores. With the way DX11 works, AMD is at a strong disadvantage
I've not played much but so far it's been more or less solid 60fps - i7 4770K at 4.4GHz and a GTX 980 (latest stable drivers). No network issues either, as some have reported. I'm getting a 30ms latency.
Im just wondering..... i sent my girl out to buy me a new pc tower, ya know pentium quad core built in wifi,,,tera byte hard drive 4 gigs ram
windows 81 upgradeble 10 ,,,but waddaya know she didnt ask about the freakin video omfg dude really.........now to my suprise the intel HD runs the game fine but i heard that the dx 12 in windows 10 my help a lil bit.
I would not touch Windows 10 for a few more months. 8.1 is a much more stable OS right now. Windows 10 is faster when it works but still tones of people getting problems right now. I black screen a lot, studders and lots of little bugs that can make most users go nuts. Few more months and I am sure we will see a much better Windows 10.
@nafoodle I am running on Win10 too, what do you have? AMD or NVIDIA?
Totally agree with your post BTW, specially the 500 prestige mark
PS Now I have to go try Trove, another game I snobbed but after this might be worth a try
Radeon R9 290X 8gig, CPU i7-4790k intell, 128gig SSD drive for the OS and 256 SSD drive for the games. 24GB of 2k RAM. Liquid cooled.
Try overriding the AA and filtering from ATI Control Panel or Radeon PRO, as the link I posted suggests (the game also looks a lot better with the sweetfx profile) and lowering SSAO to medium or minimum.The game's own AA aren't really good to start with.
Your CPU and GPU are way faster/better than mine, you should hit solid 60FPS
Im just wondering..... i sent my girl out to buy me a new pc tower, ya know pentium quad core built in wifi,,,tera byte hard drive 4 gigs ram
windows 81 upgradeble 10 ,,,but waddaya know she didnt ask about the freakin video omfg dude really.........now to my suprise the intel HD runs the game fine but i heard that the dx 12 in windows 10 my help a lil bit.
Games will need to be written (or rewritten) for DX12. Current games will still run as DX9-11 as with Windows 8.
Try overriding the AA and filtering from ATI Control Panel or Radeon PRO, as the link I posted suggests (the game also looks a lot better with the sweetfx profile) and lowering SSAO to medium or minimum.The game's own AA aren't really good to start with.
Try overriding the AA and filtering from ATI Control Panel or Radeon PRO, as the link I posted suggests (the game also looks a lot better with the sweetfx profile) and lowering SSAO to medium or minimum.The game's own AA aren't really good to start with.
Does forced AA work with nvidia? I hate FXAA.
Not sure as I don't run Nvidia but AFAIK Radeon PRO works with NVIDIAs cards, you try that
Got grindy and monotonous less than a couple hours in. Combat animations lock you in place for long periods of time. Sum of the gaudy, long ones don't even hit, when you have the enemy targeted, unless you're lined up juuuust right. And locking classes behind play time is an instant turn off. Just another generic, uninspired, rushed, Themepark.
Yup. Sub games are a thing of the past. As are entertaining, immersive games. No doubt you can't really charge a sub for the crap that's getting churned out in the MMO genre. F2p needs to die a quick death. If an MMO isn't worth a measly 10-15 bucks a month, it being Free isn't going to increase its value, or entertainment potential, one bit.
It's nice to be playing an MMO that isn't P2W and I don't feel like I have to play 80 hours every week to stay current. My guild is enjoying the game and were all around the same prestige level, so there's plenty of opportunity to group.
F2P Nope not interested. We have enough sub par MMOs that are P2W. Go on and say I am wrong. The only thing I will point out is this.
"Skyforge is not pay-to-win (P2W). It’s pay to progress faster; simple as that." "Does this translate to power? Yes, but it’s the same as buying an XP potion or skipping levels in other games."
Basically Winning or Paying not to play content. You might as well not even play a game because anyone who has played games for years like myself there will never be a game on the market that you will like everything in the game. I go all the way back to Atari and NES games and paying to skip, win, or any of that is pointless to me. Thats why its either a Sub game or nothing not F2P.
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This seems like a game that Mobile gamers would like where they can pay to skip levels or win at levels like Candy Crush. Good for them.
I'm sorry to inform you.. but subscription models are a thing of the past. No one wants to pay a box price + subscription to figure out if they like a new MMORPG. You're not going to see subscription games coming out and on the rare occasion that they do, they will go F2P eventually. Look at TSW, ESO, Wildstar.. any game that has started with a subscription is now going F2P because subscriptions don't work anymore.
I don't understand what peoples problem is with P2PF (Pay 2 Progress Faster) - it is not P2W, it does not give anyone combat advantage, and if anything it shortens the life of the game for those players.. but not for those that choose not to.
No.. you probably won't like everything in a game.. but honestly I can't think of a game that I liked 100% of everything. There's no way for a game developer to please every player.. that's something that you'll just have to get over.
I dont get why people will spend Hundreds of Dollars to not play a game. If the game is not a Box Plus a Sub I will not play, I am not going to play a single F2P game ever again period. You are willing to pay a Few hundred dollars for a game I will not at the top end in 1 year I will spend $200 thats with Sub and box. Guess what things will not be behind a PAY WALL just to make more money than a SUB MMO where I can get whatever I want I just need to put the effort into getting it.
I am getting tired of the support for F2P games. People need to wake up and understand that their whole design is to make you pay in some way shape or forum. With cash shops in F2P games they will put things you WANT in the cash shop and thats the ONLY way to get it. The whole game is designed to gate things behind paying for it. YES you can spend hours grinding gold to buy the cash shop in the game. I do not care for this way period and will never accept it. This game looks fun outside action combat. Yet F2P is why I refuse to play, I always find these games a credit card game or a Grind for Currency to buy Cash shop item. Either are acceptable for me. For $15 a month I should get access to everything; its just up to me to get what I want in the game not Paying more on a cash shop.
I try a lot of MMO. I don't feel like paying 20$ for each of them.
F2P give me the possibility to try a game for free. And if the F2P model is good, I probably won't have to pay a dim. If I want to do it, I limit myself to the price of a subscription.
Both model are good for different people. I used ot be like you, but since I can't find a good mmo, I prefer F2P.
F2P Nope not interested. We have enough sub par MMOs that are P2W. Go on and say I am wrong. The only thing I will point out is this.
"Skyforge is not pay-to-win (P2W). It’s pay to progress faster; simple as that." "Does this translate to power? Yes, but it’s the same as buying an XP potion or skipping levels in other games."
Basically Winning or Paying not to play content. You might as well not even play a game because anyone who has played games for years like myself there will never be a game on the market that you will like everything in the game. I go all the way back to Atari and NES games and paying to skip, win, or any of that is pointless to me. Thats why its either a Sub game or nothing not F2P.
Edit,
This seems like a game that Mobile gamers would like where they can pay to skip levels or win at levels like Candy Crush. Good for them.
I'm sorry to inform you.. but subscription models are a thing of the past. No one wants to pay a box price + subscription to figure out if they like a new MMORPG. You're not going to see subscription games coming out and on the rare occasion that they do, they will go F2P eventually. Look at TSW, ESO, Wildstar.. any game that has started with a subscription is now going F2P because subscriptions don't work anymore.
I don't understand what peoples problem is with P2PF (Pay 2 Progress Faster) - it is not P2W, it does not give anyone combat advantage, and if anything it shortens the life of the game for those players.. but not for those that choose not to.
No.. you probably won't like everything in a game.. but honestly I can't think of a game that I liked 100% of everything. There's no way for a game developer to please every player.. that's something that you'll just have to get over.
I dont get why people will spend Hundreds of Dollars to not play a game. If the game is not a Box Plus a Sub I will not play, I am not going to play a single F2P game ever again period. You are willing to pay a Few hundred dollars for a game I will not at the top end in 1 year I will spend $200 thats with Sub and box. Guess what things will not be behind a PAY WALL just to make more money than a SUB MMO where I can get whatever I want I just need to put the effort into getting it.
I am getting tired of the support for F2P games. People need to wake up and understand that their whole design is to make you pay in some way shape or forum. With cash shops in F2P games they will put things you WANT in the cash shop and thats the ONLY way to get it. The whole game is designed to gate things behind paying for it. YES you can spend hours grinding gold to buy the cash shop in the game. I do not care for this way period and will never accept it. This game looks fun outside action combat. Yet F2P is why I refuse to play, I always find these games a credit card game or a Grind for Currency to buy Cash shop item. Either are acceptable for me. For $15 a month I should get access to everything; its just up to me to get what I want in the game not Paying more on a cash shop.
Look dude, I'm with you on preferring sub based games. Are f2p games usually sub-par? Undeniably. B2P is a little better, but the bottom line is that sub games are always of superior quality to an f2p game.
You mention a pay wall though...do you know what's locked behind a pay wall in a sub game? The entire game.
Like I said, I'm with you on preference.....but why bitch and moan about a game that allows you to try it for free for as long as you want?
If you buy a CE for some AAA sub game (let's say ffxiv for recent example) and end up hating it when it's all said and done after only playing for a month you've just sunk x amount of dollars into a game you're not going to play again. And if you do? You'll have to pony up a sub fee.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the f2p model....it gives us options, and an opportunity to play a game you would otherwise have to buy another box and sub for.
I try a lot of MMO. I don't feel like paying 20$ for each of them.
F2P give me the possibility to try a game for free. And if the F2P model is good, I probably won't have to pay a dim. If I want to do it, I limit myself to the price of a subscription.
Both model are good for different people. I used ot be like you, but since I can't find a good mmo, I prefer F2P.
I can accept F2P trials no problem with that at all. However I look at people like my wife who loves to collect minions or pets or mounts or what ever else is collectable. While I will give people look at FFXIV some of those collectables are in the cash shop too, well yes however its maybe $40 or $50 total for all the collectables. You go to a F2P game and its Hundreds of Dollars and if she does not want to spend the money she will spend hours grinding gold. WHY! Its all for people to spend MORE money than a Subscription. Thats all it is and developers will spend more time on the cash shop and designing stuff for the cash shop than the actual game. Look at SWTOR they spend no time on no flash points, or Operations. They spend more time creating looks, or mounts or what ever to get people to spend money on that. So really the game has become more of a cash shop game then a actual game period.
I hate seeing good games go this route. I see how bad a cash shop can be for the 2nd time when I played AA. After that I will NEVER play a F2P MMO. I understand why many of my friends quit playing MMOs or even leaving WOW or FFXIV. Because too much focus on the Cash shop and not having a few hundred thousand subs and making that group happy.
F2P Nope not interested. We have enough sub par MMOs that are P2W. Go on and say I am wrong. The only thing I will point out is this.
"Skyforge is not pay-to-win (P2W). It’s pay to progress faster; simple as that." "Does this translate to power? Yes, but it’s the same as buying an XP potion or skipping levels in other games."
Basically Winning or Paying not to play content. You might as well not even play a game because anyone who has played games for years like myself there will never be a game on the market that you will like everything in the game. I go all the way back to Atari and NES games and paying to skip, win, or any of that is pointless to me. Thats why its either a Sub game or nothing not F2P.
Edit,
This seems like a game that Mobile gamers would like where they can pay to skip levels or win at levels like Candy Crush. Good for them.
I'm sorry to inform you.. but subscription models are a thing of the past. No one wants to pay a box price + subscription to figure out if they like a new MMORPG. You're not going to see subscription games coming out and on the rare occasion that they do, they will go F2P eventually. Look at TSW, ESO, Wildstar.. any game that has started with a subscription is now going F2P because subscriptions don't work anymore.
I don't understand what peoples problem is with P2PF (Pay 2 Progress Faster) - it is not P2W, it does not give anyone combat advantage, and if anything it shortens the life of the game for those players.. but not for those that choose not to.
No.. you probably won't like everything in a game.. but honestly I can't think of a game that I liked 100% of everything. There's no way for a game developer to please every player.. that's something that you'll just have to get over.
I dont get why people will spend Hundreds of Dollars to not play a game. If the game is not a Box Plus a Sub I will not play, I am not going to play a single F2P game ever again period. You are willing to pay a Few hundred dollars for a game I will not at the top end in 1 year I will spend $200 thats with Sub and box. Guess what things will not be behind a PAY WALL just to make more money than a SUB MMO where I can get whatever I want I just need to put the effort into getting it.
I am getting tired of the support for F2P games. People need to wake up and understand that their whole design is to make you pay in some way shape or forum. With cash shops in F2P games they will put things you WANT in the cash shop and thats the ONLY way to get it. The whole game is designed to gate things behind paying for it. YES you can spend hours grinding gold to buy the cash shop in the game. I do not care for this way period and will never accept it. This game looks fun outside action combat. Yet F2P is why I refuse to play, I always find these games a credit card game or a Grind for Currency to buy Cash shop item. Either are acceptable for me. For $15 a month I should get access to everything; its just up to me to get what I want in the game not Paying more on a cash shop.
Look dude, I'm with you on preferring sub based games. Are f2p games usually sub-par? Undeniably. B2P is a little better, but the bottom line is that sub games are always of superior quality to an f2p game.
You mention a pay wall though...do you know what's locked behind a pay wall in a sub game? The entire game.
Like I said, I'm with you on preference.....but why bitch and moan about a game that allows you to try it for free for as long as you want?
If you buy a CE for some AAA sub game (let's say ffxiv for recent example) and end up hating it when it's all said and done after only playing for a month you've just sunk x amount of dollars into a game you're not going to play again. And if you do? You'll have to pony up a sub fee.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the f2p model....it gives us options, and an opportunity to play a game you would otherwise have to buy another box and sub for.
Honestly I can accept buying a game and not liking it. I use to do that with NES, SNES, Sega, and the rest of the console games. Heck Single Player computer games I done that with. D3 comes right to mind, D1 was 100 times better. I also spend $300 on SWTOR CE editions for me and my wife and we hate it. But at least if the game changed we could always spend $15 and go back to the game and see how it is. That never upset me at all I was fine with that. If I wanted something I made the money to pay for the sub.
At the core what I hate is more time spent on the cash shop vs making another 3 dungeons every 3 to 4 months. It comes down to when I buy a game, I am paying for the Product. When I am buying an MMO I am buying the product, however I have to pay for access to it being online. I am good with that.
Anyways this game does look fun. Watched a few videos, but F2P is the key to keeping me away. Just like I don't like PVP so I didnt play ESO. Different strokes for different folks. I hope this game does good in a world of too many MMOs.
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If they had a P2P only server with no cash shop it would make me try it.
If they had a P2P only server with no cash shop it would make me try it.
Or you can try a surprisingly polished and clean game now, look at the cash shop, then realize that the only thing in the the shop is time compensation items, which mean really nothing due to the cap limits.
F2P Nope not interested. We have enough sub par MMOs that are P2W. Go on and say I am wrong. The only thing I will point out is this.
"Skyforge is not pay-to-win (P2W). It’s pay to progress faster; simple as that." "Does this translate to power? Yes, but it’s the same as buying an XP potion or skipping levels in other games."
Basically Winning or Paying not to play content. You might as well not even play a game because anyone who has played games for years like myself there will never be a game on the market that you will like everything in the game. I go all the way back to Atari and NES games and paying to skip, win, or any of that is pointless to me. Thats why its either a Sub game or nothing not F2P.
Edit,
This seems like a game that Mobile gamers would like where they can pay to skip levels or win at levels like Candy Crush. Good for them.
I'm sorry to inform you.. but subscription models are a thing of the past. No one wants to pay a box price + subscription to figure out if they like a new MMORPG. You're not going to see subscription games coming out and on the rare occasion that they do, they will go F2P eventually. Look at TSW, ESO, Wildstar.. any game that has started with a subscription is now going F2P because subscriptions don't work anymore.
I don't understand what peoples problem is with P2PF (Pay 2 Progress Faster) - it is not P2W, it does not give anyone combat advantage, and if anything it shortens the life of the game for those players.. but not for those that choose not to.
No.. you probably won't like everything in a game.. but honestly I can't think of a game that I liked 100% of everything. There's no way for a game developer to please every player.. that's something that you'll just have to get over.
I dont get why people will spend Hundreds of Dollars to not play a game. If the game is not a Box Plus a Sub I will not play, I am not going to play a single F2P game ever again period. You are willing to pay a Few hundred dollars for a game I will not at the top end in 1 year I will spend $200 thats with Sub and box. Guess what things will not be behind a PAY WALL just to make more money than a SUB MMO where I can get whatever I want I just need to put the effort into getting it.
I am getting tired of the support for F2P games. People need to wake up and understand that their whole design is to make you pay in some way shape or forum. With cash shops in F2P games they will put things you WANT in the cash shop and thats the ONLY way to get it. The whole game is designed to gate things behind paying for it. YES you can spend hours grinding gold to buy the cash shop in the game. I do not care for this way period and will never accept it. This game looks fun outside action combat. Yet F2P is why I refuse to play, I always find these games a credit card game or a Grind for Currency to buy Cash shop item. Either are acceptable for me. For $15 a month I should get access to everything; its just up to me to get what I want in the game not Paying more on a cash shop.
Look dude, I'm with you on preferring sub based games. Are f2p games usually sub-par? Undeniably. B2P is a little better, but the bottom line is that sub games are always of superior quality to an f2p game.
You mention a pay wall though...do you know what's locked behind a pay wall in a sub game? The entire game.
Like I said, I'm with you on preference.....but why bitch and moan about a game that allows you to try it for free for as long as you want?
If you buy a CE for some AAA sub game (let's say ffxiv for recent example) and end up hating it when it's all said and done after only playing for a month you've just sunk x amount of dollars into a game you're not going to play again. And if you do? You'll have to pony up a sub fee.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the f2p model....it gives us options, and an opportunity to play a game you would otherwise have to buy another box and sub for.
Honestly I can accept buying a game and not liking it. I use to do that with NES, SNES, Sega, and the rest of the console games. Heck Single Player computer games I done that with. D3 comes right to mind, D1 was 100 times better. I also spend $300 on SWTOR CE editions for me and my wife and we hate it. But at least if the game changed we could always spend $15 and go back to the game and see how it is. That never upset me at all I was fine with that. If I wanted something I made the money to pay for the sub.
At the core what I hate is more time spent on the cash shop vs making another 3 dungeons every 3 to 4 months. It comes down to when I buy a game, I am paying for the Product. When I am buying an MMO I am buying the product, however I have to pay for access to it being online. I am good with that.
Anyways this game does look fun. Watched a few videos, but F2P is the key to keeping me away. Just like I don't like PVP so I didnt play ESO. Different strokes for different folks. I hope this game does good in a world of too many MMOs.
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If they had a P2P only server with no cash shop it would make me try it.
I dont get why F2P makes people run away. Heck you get to try it for free and judge if its worth your money. Like you I have spent a tone of money on bad games I wish I could get back but the good news is you get to try this one risk free. Dont like it, walk away. Like what they do, drop some cash in their shop as a ty and also invest in your char. Their cash shop is much like GW2, very friendly. No P2W here unless your one of them nutters who thinks time saving somehow makes you more powerful when everyone with 1/2 a brain knows how fast you got there means nothing at end game lol.
If you make a female character and move the bust slider anywhere above 60% your character will tilt her head down, look at her new self and then look at the camera with a smirk before going back to idle.
F2P Nope not interested. We have enough sub par MMOs that are P2W. Go on and say I am wrong. The only thing I will point out is this.
"Skyforge is not pay-to-win (P2W). It’s pay to progress faster; simple as that." "Does this translate to power? Yes, but it’s the same as buying an XP potion or skipping levels in other games."
Basically Winning or Paying not to play content. You might as well not even play a game because anyone who has played games for years like myself there will never be a game on the market that you will like everything in the game. I go all the way back to Atari and NES games and paying to skip, win, or any of that is pointless to me. Thats why its either a Sub game or nothing not F2P.
Edit,
This seems like a game that Mobile gamers would like where they can pay to skip levels or win at levels like Candy Crush. Good for them.
You aren't paying to skip content... You are paying to gain more sparks and reach the weekly cap faster, that is it. You can't increase your order faster by paying money because it is gated with items that come up through in-game play on a 48-hour timer. You are limited in leveling your equipment slots because they are gated by ranks which require sparks of mastery to unlock... You cannot buy sparks to progress your character, although you can buy a subscription that will give you more sparks per mission until you hit your cap for the week...
Yes, you pay to go faster, but not that much faster than other players... and if you hit the cap in 10 hours and play 15 and they hit the cap in 15 hours and play 15, you are both just as powerfull going into the next week, it just means that you have more alternative currencies that can be used to buy rare costumes...
Just to make this clear, nothing lets you "skip" content, and not only that but the content all has multiple difficulty tiers and you often have to go back to the same content and run it on a more difficult setting either for quests or rewards...
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Its based on story which is based on prestige.
WILL DIRECTX 12 Do WONDERS FOR THIS GAME.
Im just wondering..... i sent my girl out to buy me a new pc tower, ya know pentium quad core built in wifi,,,tera byte hard drive 4 gigs ram
windows 81 upgradeble 10 ,,,but waddaya know she didnt ask about the freakin video omfg dude really.........now to my suprise the intel HD runs the game fine but i heard that the dx 12 in windows 10 my help a lil bit.
It's from march but maybe it might help:
"A note to the NVIDIA people I do know I've seen quite a few people with issues with the most recent NVIDIA driver and Skyforge. I had like 20-30 fps with it, but I swapped back to 347.71 and its usually rather constant 50-60+, some areas are of course bad but the diffrence was incredible."
DirectX12 is supposed to alleviate the problem that AMD CPUs have with Directx11 (and partially AMD GPUs). IN THEORY
AMD CPUs use many small cores vs Intel's fewer bigger cores. With the way DX11 works, AMD is at a strong disadvantage
Radeon R9 290X 8gig, CPU i7-4790k intell, 128gig SSD drive for the OS and 256 SSD drive for the games. 24GB of 2k RAM. Liquid cooled.
I would not touch Windows 10 for a few more months. 8.1 is a much more stable OS right now. Windows 10 is faster when it works but still tones of people getting problems right now. I black screen a lot, studders and lots of little bugs that can make most users go nuts. Few more months and I am sure we will see a much better Windows 10.
Try overriding the AA and filtering from ATI Control Panel or Radeon PRO, as the link I posted suggests (the game also looks a lot better with the sweetfx profile) and lowering SSAO to medium or minimum.The game's own AA aren't really good to start with.
Your CPU and GPU are way faster/better than mine, you should hit solid 60FPS
Games will need to be written (or rewritten) for DX12. Current games will still run as DX9-11 as with Windows 8.
Does forced AA work with nvidia? I hate FXAA.
Not sure as I don't run Nvidia but AFAIK Radeon PRO works with NVIDIAs cards, you try that
Thanks for the review Bill.
It's nice to be playing an MMO that isn't P2W and I don't feel like I have to play 80 hours every week to stay current. My guild is enjoying the game and were all around the same prestige level, so there's plenty of opportunity to group.
I dont get why people will spend Hundreds of Dollars to not play a game. If the game is not a Box Plus a Sub I will not play, I am not going to play a single F2P game ever again period. You are willing to pay a Few hundred dollars for a game I will not at the top end in 1 year I will spend $200 thats with Sub and box. Guess what things will not be behind a PAY WALL just to make more money than a SUB MMO where I can get whatever I want I just need to put the effort into getting it.
I am getting tired of the support for F2P games. People need to wake up and understand that their whole design is to make you pay in some way shape or forum. With cash shops in F2P games they will put things you WANT in the cash shop and thats the ONLY way to get it. The whole game is designed to gate things behind paying for it. YES you can spend hours grinding gold to buy the cash shop in the game. I do not care for this way period and will never accept it. This game looks fun outside action combat. Yet F2P is why I refuse to play, I always find these games a credit card game or a Grind for Currency to buy Cash shop item. Either are acceptable for me. For $15 a month I should get access to everything; its just up to me to get what I want in the game not Paying more on a cash shop.
@Danwest58
I try a lot of MMO. I don't feel like paying 20$ for each of them.
F2P give me the possibility to try a game for free. And if the F2P model is good, I probably won't have to pay a dim. If I want to do it, I limit myself to the price of a subscription.
Both model are good for different people. I used ot be like you, but since I can't find a good mmo, I prefer F2P.
Look dude, I'm with you on preferring sub based games. Are f2p games usually sub-par? Undeniably. B2P is a little better, but the bottom line is that sub games are always of superior quality to an f2p game.
You mention a pay wall though...do you know what's locked behind a pay wall in a sub game? The entire game.
Like I said, I'm with you on preference.....but why bitch and moan about a game that allows you to try it for free for as long as you want?
If you buy a CE for some AAA sub game (let's say ffxiv for recent example) and end up hating it when it's all said and done after only playing for a month you've just sunk x amount of dollars into a game you're not going to play again. And if you do? You'll have to pony up a sub fee.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the f2p model....it gives us options, and an opportunity to play a game you would otherwise have to buy another box and sub for.
I can accept F2P trials no problem with that at all. However I look at people like my wife who loves to collect minions or pets or mounts or what ever else is collectable. While I will give people look at FFXIV some of those collectables are in the cash shop too, well yes however its maybe $40 or $50 total for all the collectables. You go to a F2P game and its Hundreds of Dollars and if she does not want to spend the money she will spend hours grinding gold. WHY! Its all for people to spend MORE money than a Subscription. Thats all it is and developers will spend more time on the cash shop and designing stuff for the cash shop than the actual game. Look at SWTOR they spend no time on no flash points, or Operations. They spend more time creating looks, or mounts or what ever to get people to spend money on that. So really the game has become more of a cash shop game then a actual game period.
I hate seeing good games go this route. I see how bad a cash shop can be for the 2nd time when I played AA. After that I will NEVER play a F2P MMO. I understand why many of my friends quit playing MMOs or even leaving WOW or FFXIV. Because too much focus on the Cash shop and not having a few hundred thousand subs and making that group happy.
Honestly I can accept buying a game and not liking it. I use to do that with NES, SNES, Sega, and the rest of the console games. Heck Single Player computer games I done that with. D3 comes right to mind, D1 was 100 times better. I also spend $300 on SWTOR CE editions for me and my wife and we hate it. But at least if the game changed we could always spend $15 and go back to the game and see how it is. That never upset me at all I was fine with that. If I wanted something I made the money to pay for the sub.
At the core what I hate is more time spent on the cash shop vs making another 3 dungeons every 3 to 4 months. It comes down to when I buy a game, I am paying for the Product. When I am buying an MMO I am buying the product, however I have to pay for access to it being online. I am good with that.
Anyways this game does look fun. Watched a few videos, but F2P is the key to keeping me away. Just like I don't like PVP so I didnt play ESO. Different strokes for different folks. I hope this game does good in a world of too many MMOs.
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If they had a P2P only server with no cash shop it would make me try it.
Actually, it doesn't feel like a F2P game at all, that's the most surprising part.
I am talking about overall quality and polish
Or you can try a surprisingly polished and clean game now, look at the cash shop, then realize that the only thing in the the shop is time compensation items, which mean really nothing due to the cap limits.
I dont get why F2P makes people run away. Heck you get to try it for free and judge if its worth your money. Like you I have spent a tone of money on bad games I wish I could get back but the good news is you get to try this one risk free. Dont like it, walk away. Like what they do, drop some cash in their shop as a ty and also invest in your char. Their cash shop is much like GW2, very friendly. No P2W here unless your one of them nutters who thinks time saving somehow makes you more powerful when everyone with 1/2 a brain knows how fast you got there means nothing at end game lol.
Interesting detail.
If you make a female character and move the bust slider anywhere above 60% your character will tilt her head down, look at her new self and then look at the camera with a smirk before going back to idle.
It is truly hilarious.
All die, so die well.
You aren't paying to skip content... You are paying to gain more sparks and reach the weekly cap faster, that is it. You can't increase your order faster by paying money because it is gated with items that come up through in-game play on a 48-hour timer. You are limited in leveling your equipment slots because they are gated by ranks which require sparks of mastery to unlock... You cannot buy sparks to progress your character, although you can buy a subscription that will give you more sparks per mission until you hit your cap for the week...
Yes, you pay to go faster, but not that much faster than other players... and if you hit the cap in 10 hours and play 15 and they hit the cap in 15 hours and play 15, you are both just as powerfull going into the next week, it just means that you have more alternative currencies that can be used to buy rare costumes...
Just to make this clear, nothing lets you "skip" content, and not only that but the content all has multiple difficulty tiers and you often have to go back to the same content and run it on a more difficult setting either for quests or rewards...