Listened to the entire interview and I agree with Mr. Smart. Gamers as a whole should be wondering where/how $85 million was spent and the crowdfunding process.
Has anyone even checked this guys reviews for his games? He makes crap, if he knew what he was talking about you would think he would be able to produce a good game.
Guy has been out of touch since 1996, hell he just released crap and then pimps the same pile of crap till he gets a somewhat decent rating it seems. Took 7 years of re releases for people to even give a half decent of his first title.
Universal combat was pure fail as well, Galactic Command Echo Squad a 1.7 on metacritic, Angle of Attack 4/10 on steam, All aspects warfare 5/10 on steam with a 2.5 from critics, line of defense 5/10.
So seriously people, this is a mediocre developer just getting pissy because he has been outshone by Chris Roberts since wing commander.
Has anyone even checked this guys reviews for his games? He makes crap, if he knew what he was talking about you would think he would be able to produce a good game.
Guy has been out of touch since 1996, hell he just released crap and then pimps the same pile of crap till he gets a somewhat decent rating it seems. Took 7 years of re releases for people to even give a half decent of his first title.
Universal combat was pure fail as well, Galactic Command Echo Squad a 1.7 on metacritic, Angle of Attack 4/10 on steam, All aspects warfare 5/10 on steam with a 2.5 from critics, line of defense 5/10.
So seriously people, this is a mediocre developer just getting pissy because he has been outshone by Chris Roberts since wing commander.
I, for one, can't wait until DSmart is proven right in this matter because when it happens, and you can bet your last dollar that it will happen, all of these DSmart "haters" are going to poop in their pants. The man that they loathe so much will be a media sensation and bigger than he has ever been before. They despise this man so much that they can't see the forest for the trees. But little do they realize that it is their hate for this man that has not only given him the platform that he has now, but will give him and even larger and more powerful platform when he is ultimately vindicated. I can see the crocodile tears now.
Has anyone even checked this guys reviews for his games? He makes crap, if he knew what he was talking about you would think he would be able to produce a good game.
Guy has been out of touch since 1996, hell he just released crap and then pimps the same pile of crap till he gets a somewhat decent rating it seems. Took 7 years of re releases for people to even give a half decent of his first title.
Universal combat was pure fail as well, Galactic Command Echo Squad a 1.7 on metacritic, Angle of Attack 4/10 on steam, All aspects warfare 5/10 on steam with a 2.5 from critics, line of defense 5/10.
So seriously people, this is a mediocre developer just getting pissy because he has been outshone by Chris Roberts since wing commander.
Not relevant.
Imo, it IS relevant.
The guy seems to think he's some kind of expert in every way when it comes to anything game related, but what comes out of his mouth is usually showing how cluless he really is.
An example, from a discussion I had with him:
Me: "For newer games, almost every AAA title on Steam, has achievements".
Him: "It's blatantly false" (and then playing the "but you're not a developer..." card)
Has anyone even checked this guys reviews for his games? He makes crap, if he knew what he was talking about you would think he would be able to produce a good game.
Guy has been out of touch since 1996, hell he just released crap and then pimps the same pile of crap till he gets a somewhat decent rating it seems. Took 7 years of re releases for people to even give a half decent of his first title.
Universal combat was pure fail as well, Galactic Command Echo Squad a 1.7 on metacritic, Angle of Attack 4/10 on steam, All aspects warfare 5/10 on steam with a 2.5 from critics, line of defense 5/10.
So seriously people, this is a mediocre developer just getting pissy because he has been outshone by Chris Roberts since wing commander.
Not relevant.
Imo, it IS relevant.
The guy seems to think he's some kind of expert in every way when it comes to anything game related, but what comes out of his mouth is usually showing how cluless he really is.
An example, from a discussion I had with him:
Me: "For newer games, almost every AAA title on Steam, has achievements".
Him: "It's blatantly false" (and then playing the "but you're not a developer..." card)
I could easiely provide more examples, just one to show the level of "expertise" we're dealing with here.
Steam achievements are not a simple flip of a switch, which is why "older" games with achievements don't carry over to Steam i.e. Champions Online. I guess the programmer knew what he was talking about.
TLDR: You invalidate an individuals position on an issue because his games do not have Steam achievements.
How is it not relevant? The man has yet to produce a successful game that a general audience enjoys. He is the one coming from the place of being a developer and not just a customer, if he came at the accountability angle from the point of being a customer then maybe I would leave off him, but he didnt.
He seems to think that CIG hasnt shown any progress, despite multiple module releases and patches to those modules, he claims targets were missed, as a developer he should know the process changes and it is better to release a functional product than a broken one.
I think you just have lost your sense of logic, this man is a farce, look at his career. For its entirety his games have been competing with Chris's games and failing miserably. This is a petty, long running grudge and nothing more. He has no basis to claim misappropriation, lack of progress or doom and gloom about the game going to gold status. They have released more than enough work to show they are progressing, and I am a very critical customer.
I truly think that this entire debacle started by Derek is just a smear campaign, one that illogical attention seekers are jumping in hopes they can stand on the pile of SC bones and shout I TOLD YOU SO. Seriously get some perspective, check the source of the accusations and use your own head for once.
When the Boy who Cried Wolf says there's a wolf coming, it doesn't mean there's no wolf.
When an antagonistic self-important industry wannabe/failure with an axe to grind and a directly-competing game of his own to sell says that there's a problem with someone else's game, it doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.
The thing that amuses me about this whole merry-go-round is that if it were Gabe Newell asking the very same questions, that the torches and pitchforks would already be assembled at the CIG offices.
How is it not relevant? The man has yet to produce a successful game that a general audience enjoys. He is the one coming from the place of being a developer and not just a customer, if he came at the accountability angle from the point of being a customer then maybe I would leave off him, but he didnt.
He seems to think that CIG hasnt shown any progress, despite multiple module releases and patches to those modules, he claims targets were missed, as a developer he should know the process changes and it is better to release a functional product than a broken one.
I think you just have lost your sense of logic, this man is a farce, look at his career. For its entirety his games have been competing with Chris's games and failing miserably. This is a petty, long running grudge and nothing more. He has no basis to claim misappropriation, lack of progress or doom and gloom about the game going to gold status. They have released more than enough work to show they are progressing, and I am a very critical customer.
I truly think that this entire debacle started by Derek is just a smear campaign, one that illogical attention seekers are jumping in hopes they can stand on the pile of SC bones and shout I TOLD YOU SO. Seriously get some perspective, check the source of the accusations and use your own head for once.
Maybe listen to the interview before posting as Mr. Smart addresses your concerns.
I, for one, can't wait until DSmart is proven right in this matter because when it happens, and you can bet your last dollar that it will happen, all of these DSmart "haters" are going to poop in their pants. The man that they loathe so much will be a media sensation and bigger than he has ever been before. They despise this man so much that they can't see the forest for the trees. But little do they realize that it is their hate for this man that has not only given him the platform that he has now, but will give him and even larger and more powerful platform when he is ultimately vindicated. I can see the crocodile tears now.
I can't wait until the media, and the general gaming public, finally stop talking about Derek Smart and start focusing on the real issue. Derek has certainly been the loudest critic up to this point, but he's not the first and he wont be the last. CIG took him out of the equation by refunding him, I wish gamers and the media would do the same and just forget him.
It's not good to see people now rallying behind Derek, holding him up as if he's now the poster child for ethics and transparency in gaming. He and his motives, whatever they were and whatever they now may be, are irrelevant to the issue at hand. It's good that someone who could catch the eye of the media has brought forth concerns that many in the SC camp have already raised. But, as long as everyone continues to make the story about Derek the concerns of the SC community will be overshadowed by his reputation. He needs to be forgotten about before a real discussion of the possible issues at CIG can even begin, let alone be resolved.
If, and when, you bring us the person or entity that is willing to replace DSmart we can consider doing that. As it stands right now DSmart is all we have and as far as I am concerned he is welcomed to stay and continue doing his thing for as long as he wants because he is the only person who has had the courage to finally stand up and say/do anything substantive about this fiasco at all. In this interview he was steadfast about his intention that under no circumstances will he be silenced by his detractors in this endeavor. All I can say is thank goodness for DSmart.
There are some on these forums criticizing Smart claiming that he does not deserve any credit because they had been voicing the same concerns for quite awhile. That may true and all but it didn't get us anywhere until DSmart became involved and spoke up against it. That logic alone tells us that we did indeed need DSmat to intervene in this matter. So keep fighting the good fight DSmart. There are many of us who are with you and supporting you in this effort. We need more people like you who are willing to stand up to the shady tactics that are beginning to take hold in this industry. The hope here is that your efforts will go a long way toward putting the MMO industry back on a healthy track going forward.
A lot of people may not like it, but this is needed in the mmo industry. Regardless of who brought it up we needed somebody to get media attention on the spending habits of these crowdfunded games. Its not the first time where people questioned a crowdfunded game. Hopefully this will make devs think twice about how they spend the money and WHY they ask for it.
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"But the unsolicited return of funds has led a number of other backers to wonder if they're also eligible for refunds: A poll posted on the RSI forums earlier today indicates that roughly 30 percent of the more than 800 respondents believe a refund option should be available to all backers. In a post in that same thread, however, CIG's Ben Lesnick explained that Smart's refund is "the videogame equivalent of a 'we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone' sign in a restaurant," and said that while the studio does try to "work with backers who are facing hardships," the money received through the crowdfunding campaign is being spent on making the game and, by implication, is thus not available to give back to anyone who wants it."
After all... A living universe needs a steady stream of warm bodies and a few thousand kickstarter and founder people will not be good enough to solve that problem longterm, the churn would kill the game.
Yeah, they're gonna have a hell of a time finding players to fill the ghost town once the scant 923,618 kickstarter and founder people are playing. <-sarcasm
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
This is about more than just Star Citizen. That much is obvious. However, it's good that they are being invited to this level of scrutiny. At 85 million crowd funded dollars, it is an unprecedented phenomenon.
In the very best light, Derek might be viewed as a whistleblower. History will tell the rest.
Derek should list everything he is getting out of it. He is getting his name out there and that could bring other benefits. You know we are going to be transparent about everything.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
"But the unsolicited return of funds has led a number of other backers to wonder if they're also eligible for refunds: A poll posted on the RSI forums earlier today indicates that roughly 30 percent of the more than 800 respondents believe a refund option should be available to all backers. In a post in that same thread, however, CIG's Ben Lesnick explained that Smart's refund is "the videogame equivalent of a 'we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone' sign in a restaurant," and said that while the studio does try to "work with backers who are facing hardships," the money received through the crowdfunding campaign is being spent on making the game and, by implication, is thus not available to give back to anyone who wants it."
Which tells you all you need to know about how obnoxious this guy became to the devs.
Maybe if he skipped all the bs about his games this and his games that,he would have a better
Originally posted by ishist Can we go ahead and have Derek Smart banned from the entire Internet? This guy has no business communicating with human beings. Should probably remove his vocal cords and break all his fingers too. Wouldn't want him to talk to people irl either.
Is putting your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALA not working then ?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, if they are making you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you need to consider why this is so.
Originally posted by donger56 I love how fanboys resort to trashing the guy rather than addressing what he actually says. 85 million dollars worth of suckers who threw money at a bunch of pictures. I've seen posts deleted off of this site that said the same critical things about Star Citizen. This is part of the problem as well. Fanboy sites that shut down criticism and call anything negative "trolling" instead of allowing an actual discussion. There has really been a total lack of accountability in the gaming industry for a long time now. Maybe people are finally getting sick of throwing money and these scam artists. I certainly hope so.
it is ridiculous how the fanboys react when someone criticizes their baby, especially when it appears to be in serious trouble. At least Derek has the gumption to speak his mind instead of gloss over what is probably one of the biggest jokes on the internet. Let's face it, the chances of Chris Roberts and his team ever making a game that is anything close to what has been promised are just about nil. Isn't time some of you faced reality?
Originally posted by ishist Can we go ahead and have Derek Smart banned from the entire Internet? This guy has no business communicating with human beings. Should probably remove his vocal cords and break all his fingers too. Wouldn't want him to talk to people irl either.
Is putting your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALA not working then ?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, if they are making you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you need to consider why this is so.
I'm becoming a big fan of you Phry. I would also like to add this. Please friends consider the amount of money invested in gaming. There is some definitive controversy associated with many games that unfortunately never gets exposed. I hope SBFord's interview creates a domino effect and spreads like a virus. This is great reporting and I stand up and applaud mmorpg.com's position to report the real truth good or bad. I must admit I was losing faith in this website. This report actually changed my position and I encourage you guys to keep the accurate reports coming.
Originally posted by donger56 I love how fanboys resort to trashing the guy rather than addressing what he actually says. 85 million dollars worth of suckers who threw money at a bunch of pictures. I've seen posts deleted off of this site that said the same critical things about Star Citizen. This is part of the problem as well. Fanboy sites that shut down criticism and call anything negative "trolling" instead of allowing an actual discussion. There has really been a total lack of accountability in the gaming industry for a long time now. Maybe people are finally getting sick of throwing money and these scam artists. I certainly hope so.
it is ridiculous how the fanboys react when someone criticizes their baby, especially when it appears to be in serious trouble. At least Derek has the gumption to speak his mind instead of gloss over what is probably one of the biggest jokes on the internet. Let's face it, the chances of Chris Roberts and his team ever making a game that is anything close to what has been promised are just about nil. Isn't time some of you faced reality?
You folks really need to step out of your two sides to every story bubble... Everything isn't about fanboys and what? Haters? I couldn't care less what happens with star citizen, that doesn't stop me from realizing or acknowledging the source here and his track record. Are we all supposed to be of one mind ? That's your idea of reality? Gotta love attempts at forced group think... shaming others into agreeing with you doesn't work bud.
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Has anyone even checked this guys reviews for his games? He makes crap, if he knew what he was talking about you would think he would be able to produce a good game.
Guy has been out of touch since 1996, hell he just released crap and then pimps the same pile of crap till he gets a somewhat decent rating it seems. Took 7 years of re releases for people to even give a half decent of his first title.
Universal combat was pure fail as well, Galactic Command Echo Squad a 1.7 on metacritic, Angle of Attack 4/10 on steam, All aspects warfare 5/10 on steam with a 2.5 from critics, line of defense 5/10.
So seriously people, this is a mediocre developer just getting pissy because he has been outshone by Chris Roberts since wing commander.
Not relevant.
I, for one, can't wait until DSmart is proven right in this matter because when it happens, and you can bet your last dollar that it will happen, all of these DSmart "haters" are going to poop in their pants. The man that they loathe so much will be a media sensation and bigger than he has ever been before. They despise this man so much that they can't see the forest for the trees. But little do they realize that it is their hate for this man that has not only given him the platform that he has now, but will give him and even larger and more powerful platform when he is ultimately vindicated. I can see the crocodile tears now.
Imo, it IS relevant.
The guy seems to think he's some kind of expert in every way when it comes to anything game related, but what comes out of his mouth is usually showing how cluless he really is.
An example, from a discussion I had with him:
Me: "For newer games, almost every AAA title on Steam, has achievements".
Him: "It's blatantly false" (and then playing the "but you're not a developer..." card)
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6645524
I could easiely provide more examples, just one to show the level of "expertise" we're dealing with here.
Steam achievements are not a simple flip of a switch, which is why "older" games with achievements don't carry over to Steam i.e. Champions Online. I guess the programmer knew what he was talking about.
TLDR: You invalidate an individuals position on an issue because his games do not have Steam achievements.
How is it not relevant? The man has yet to produce a successful game that a general audience enjoys. He is the one coming from the place of being a developer and not just a customer, if he came at the accountability angle from the point of being a customer then maybe I would leave off him, but he didnt.
He seems to think that CIG hasnt shown any progress, despite multiple module releases and patches to those modules, he claims targets were missed, as a developer he should know the process changes and it is better to release a functional product than a broken one.
I think you just have lost your sense of logic, this man is a farce, look at his career. For its entirety his games have been competing with Chris's games and failing miserably. This is a petty, long running grudge and nothing more. He has no basis to claim misappropriation, lack of progress or doom and gloom about the game going to gold status. They have released more than enough work to show they are progressing, and I am a very critical customer.
I truly think that this entire debacle started by Derek is just a smear campaign, one that illogical attention seekers are jumping in hopes they can stand on the pile of SC bones and shout I TOLD YOU SO. Seriously get some perspective, check the source of the accusations and use your own head for once.
When the Boy who Cried Wolf says there's a wolf coming, it doesn't mean there's no wolf.
When an antagonistic self-important industry wannabe/failure with an axe to grind and a directly-competing game of his own to sell says that there's a problem with someone else's game, it doesn't mean he's necessarily wrong.
The thing that amuses me about this whole merry-go-round is that if it were Gabe Newell asking the very same questions, that the torches and pitchforks would already be assembled at the CIG offices.
Maybe listen to the interview before posting as Mr. Smart addresses your concerns.
Three?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_(franchise)
And a flop of a movie in 1999, anyone remember that?
If, and when, you bring us the person or entity that is willing to replace DSmart we can consider doing that. As it stands right now DSmart is all we have and as far as I am concerned he is welcomed to stay and continue doing his thing for as long as he wants because he is the only person who has had the courage to finally stand up and say/do anything substantive about this fiasco at all. In this interview he was steadfast about his intention that under no circumstances will he be silenced by his detractors in this endeavor. All I can say is thank goodness for DSmart.
There are some on these forums criticizing Smart claiming that he does not deserve any credit because they had been voicing the same concerns for quite awhile. That may true and all but it didn't get us anywhere until DSmart became involved and spoke up against it. That logic alone tells us that we did indeed need DSmat to intervene in this matter. So keep fighting the good fight DSmart. There are many of us who are with you and supporting you in this effort. We need more people like you who are willing to stand up to the shady tactics that are beginning to take hold in this industry. The hope here is that your efforts will go a long way toward putting the MMO industry back on a healthy track going forward.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Lol with this guy.
I am not a backer,but I can understand why he got a refund and was told politely
to kiss their @sss es.
Imagine if it was your game.
I find it odd that he didn't request a refund and was instead given one, while stonewalling others that may want one.
http://www.pcgamer.com/derek-smart-star-citizen/
"But the unsolicited return of funds has led a number of other backers to wonder if they're also eligible for refunds: A poll posted on the RSI forums earlier today indicates that roughly 30 percent of the more than 800 respondents believe a refund option should be available to all backers. In a post in that same thread, however, CIG's Ben Lesnick explained that Smart's refund is "the videogame equivalent of a 'we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone' sign in a restaurant," and said that while the studio does try to "work with backers who are facing hardships," the money received through the crowdfunding campaign is being spent on making the game and, by implication, is thus not available to give back to anyone who wants it."
Yeah, they're gonna have a hell of a time finding players to fill the ghost town once the scant 923,618 kickstarter and founder people are playing. <-sarcasm
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I think they died around the same time as Luke Skywalker's father.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Derek should list everything he is getting out of it. He is getting his name out there and that could bring other benefits. You know we are going to be transparent about everything.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Which tells you all you need to know about how obnoxious this guy became to the devs.
Maybe if he skipped all the bs about his games this and his games that,he would have a better
chance in trolling SC.
Don't feed the trolls.
Is putting your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALA not working then ?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, if they are making you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you need to consider why this is so.
it is ridiculous how the fanboys react when someone criticizes their baby, especially when it appears to be in serious trouble. At least Derek has the gumption to speak his mind instead of gloss over what is probably one of the biggest jokes on the internet. Let's face it, the chances of Chris Roberts and his team ever making a game that is anything close to what has been promised are just about nil. Isn't time some of you faced reality?
I'm becoming a big fan of you Phry. I would also like to add this. Please friends consider the amount of money invested in gaming. There is some definitive controversy associated with many games that unfortunately never gets exposed. I hope SBFord's interview creates a domino effect and spreads like a virus. This is great reporting and I stand up and applaud mmorpg.com's position to report the real truth good or bad. I must admit I was losing faith in this website. This report actually changed my position and I encourage you guys to keep the accurate reports coming.
Have we named this one yet ?
Maybe
Star Smart
star gate ?
Smart star
You folks really need to step out of your two sides to every story bubble... Everything isn't about fanboys and what? Haters? I couldn't care less what happens with star citizen, that doesn't stop me from realizing or acknowledging the source here and his track record. Are we all supposed to be of one mind ? That's your idea of reality? Gotta love attempts at forced group think... shaming others into agreeing with you doesn't work bud.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson