Originally posted by mbrodie Originally posted by Warley Originally posted by mbrodie Originally posted by Warley Originally posted by mbrodie Originally posted by Warley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFTrr786M2I
pretty sure that's your video right... you literally use all the same arguments this guy does
It's not, but I thought that the readers here would enjoy a nice video of Arena Commander (a module that is part of Star Citizen's development currently available to backers).
Oh, my bad, does that shatter the illusion of no progress? I mean, last year, there was no multiplayer or nothing, now it has multiplayer, people posting videos on how teamwork,etc. That's just that component and it appears to be infinitely more popular than Line of Defense already. No wonder Derek Smart comes off as a jealous, vindictive whining brat that probably is venting frustrating and anger at his inept ability to do anything remotely close to what Chris Roberts has already achieved.
There's an easy answer for why Chris Roberts is simply a better developer than Derek Smart:
MORE TALENT.
Meanwhile, let's find some nice Line of Defense Youtube videos by fans...
*crickets*
you mean the only module released thats a shell of what the game is meant to be while the other modules get put on hold indefinitely?
OHHH not to mention you have to pay $60... thats to get into the "alpha" of the module.
then you have to buy the ships to use ontop of it.. again buying alpha ships in an alpha module (not even the whole game, just a space combat simulator in a closed instanced environment)
Yes, Mr. Dunning-Kruger, who knows more about MMO development than Chris Roberts, but doesn't know the difference between investing and pledging then gifting.
In your opinion of course your opinion is only thay of eats suits your agenda so common sense and logic have no place here. Come back when you get Chris Roberts D**k out of your mouth Btw pledging is the act of saying "I'll give you this money if your required goal is net" the goal was met the people paid money... it's no longer a pledge once the money has been transfered nor is it it gift a gift is something you gice with the intent of not receiving anything back... these people expected expected a game
Dan Rogers, that attorney and person that practices law, and has been in the gaming industry practicing law, obviously should come and learn a thing or two from you. I mean, in his article, he was clearly mistaken, and I'm glad you cleared that up for me.
Man, I feel so foolish following someone that knows the law and the gaming industry from a legal perspective instead of you.
Thanks!
Glad i could clear that up got you.
I could care less what some no name attorney weighs in on, his personal opinion does very little to sway the decision I'm a court ruling.
Glad i could clear that up got you. I could care less what some no name attorney weighs in on, his personal opinion does very little to sway the decision I'm a court ruling.
I'm sure the "personal opinion" of that attorney does a great deal to influence the outcome a court rulings on a regular basis. It's his profession, after all.
But when mr-random-internet-guy blithely dismisses the published opinion of someone with actual legal credentials, you know the discussion has broken down beyond repair. We are now at the fingers-in-ears and la-la-la-la stage of arguing. Only quotes that support your arguments will be considered valid, regardless of source or expertise.
You are entitled to believe that "you know better", just don't expect the rest of us to take you seriously, lol
Glad i could clear that up got you. I could care less what some no name attorney weighs in on, his personal opinion does very little to sway the decision I'm a court ruling.
I'm sure the "personal opinion" of that attorney does a great deal to influence the outcome a court rulings on a regular basis. It's his profession, after all.
But when mr-random-internet-guy blithely dismisses the published opinion of someone with actual legal credentials, you know the discussion has broken down beyond repair. We are now at the fingers-in-ears and la-la-la-la stage of arguing. Only quotes that support your arguments will be considered valid, regardless of source or expertise.
You are entitled to believe that "you know better", just don't expect the rest of us to take you seriously, lol
err.. if the opinion of a lawyer / solicitor / barister mattered in a court of law, nobody would go to jail.
Originally posted by waynejr2 Why don't you good consumer-investors ask for all this BEFORE you drop money on these? This afterthought of checking in on things is off to me. Do it up front. What is going on right now is you are going to the car dealership to pick up the car you purchased and demanding the upgraded rims without prior negotiation. You may win this fight in the long run but you guys should step up your consumerism game.
Actually what's going on right now is someone being interested in buying a cool new car, and feeling their meager contribution to the car making process gives them the right to storm into the car factory, have every detail of the car making process explained to them, and then the right to go over the factories financials with a fine toothed comb.
Except in this case they promised transparency on how exactly the car is being built and then there are concerns raised that they aren't being as transparent as promised. So yeah they do have the right to ask for every detail explained to them.
Originally posted by waynejr2 Why don't you good consumer-investors ask for all this BEFORE you drop money on these? This afterthought of checking in on things is off to me. Do it up front. What is going on right now is you are going to the car dealership to pick up the car you purchased and demanding the upgraded rims without prior negotiation. You may win this fight in the long run but you guys should step up your consumerism game.
Actually what's going on right now is someone being interested in buying a cool new car, and feeling their meager contribution to the car making process gives them the right to storm into the car factory, have every detail of the car making process explained to them, and then the right to go over the factories financials with a fine toothed comb.
Agreed, especially after the newest revelation just posted here in the news feed...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I called it when KS become a thing, I said this was going to turn into a mess and gamers in the end would troll and kick and scream. Internet mobs only grow over time and no matter the facts at the start they are the vocal minority, in the end people pick up the cause because its negative so it must be true. This its only going to get bigger and its going to start covering other KS games.
Developers went to KSers to get away from corp mongers telling them what to do and now they have thousands of people doing just that on the net with just as much mongering. Sad thing is once it gets going you cant make them happy. Give them something and they will find reasons that move was wrong and make up 10 new ones. Im getting to the point of thinking of not posting on forums any more because I am sick of the gamers and their blind hate, hate sometimes for games they never plan on playing.
I'm not sure how being a backer entitles anyone to demand anything from a company, besides what they backed. You're not an investor. You're not invested in the project for financial gain. Donating a few hundred dollars in exchange for content in the finished product is not investing in a large company. The fact that anyone backing such an extreamly ambitious project and believing that it would be completed within the original time frame hasn't been around any sort of technology, especially game development. Outside of cookie cutter console games produced by established major companies with established production pipelines this doesn't exist.
What CIG is doing is completly new. Taking a new company, and essentially building (what could be) 3 seperate games (one of which is an MMO) around a unified persistant system is unprecidented. I figured most purly AAA MMO take around 4-5 years. So what CIG was proposing, to me, sounded like a 6 year project.
I had no idea who Roberts was before I backed SC. I don't particularly like his persona now that I have seen his media releases, he seems a bit pompus, but I like his vision. I am a backer, I've only backed enough to get one ship. I'm not a subscriber. I knew what I was signing up for a year ago when I backed and they have actually exceeded my expectations.
Just let them finish the damn game, and play something else in the meantime. It's only a game.
Originally posted by Kefo Warley who are you exactly? You called yourself an industry vet so I am curious who you are/what you have worked on.
Sorry, I missed this question. I've worked on three shipped titles as a programmer and designer. I've also worked on several projects that didn't get released due to funding drying up. I'm not going to say my name for obvious reasons here, but I'm not working on a game project atm other than a hobby project I'm doing to tighten my skills with Unreal Engine 4 (and, it's not really a 'game' atm, so to say).
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pretty sure that's your video right... you literally use all the same arguments this guy does
It's not, but I thought that the readers here would enjoy a nice video of Arena Commander (a module that is part of Star Citizen's development currently available to backers).
Oh, my bad, does that shatter the illusion of no progress? I mean, last year, there was no multiplayer or nothing, now it has multiplayer, people posting videos on how teamwork,etc. That's just that component and it appears to be infinitely more popular than Line of Defense already. No wonder Derek Smart comes off as a jealous, vindictive whining brat that probably is venting frustrating and anger at his inept ability to do anything remotely close to what Chris Roberts has already achieved.
There's an easy answer for why Chris Roberts is simply a better developer than Derek Smart:
MORE TALENT.
Meanwhile, let's find some nice Line of Defense Youtube videos by fans...
*crickets*
you mean the only module released thats a shell of what the game is meant to be while the other modules get put on hold indefinitely?
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/30/8871167/star-citizens-fps-module-delayed-indefinitely
OHHH not to mention you have to pay $60... thats to get into the "alpha" of the module.
then you have to buy the ships to use ontop of it.. again buying alpha ships in an alpha module (not even the whole game, just a space combat simulator in a closed instanced environment)
Yes, Mr. Dunning-Kruger, who knows more about MMO development than Chris Roberts, but doesn't know the difference between investing and pledging then gifting.
Dan Rogers, that attorney and person that practices law, and has been in the gaming industry practicing law, obviously should come and learn a thing or two from you. I mean, in his article, he was clearly mistaken, and I'm glad you cleared that up for me.
Man, I feel so foolish following someone that knows the law and the gaming industry from a legal perspective instead of you.
Thanks!
I could care less what some no name attorney weighs in on, his personal opinion does very little to sway the decision I'm a court ruling.
I'm sure the "personal opinion" of that attorney does a great deal to influence the outcome a court rulings on a regular basis. It's his profession, after all.
But when mr-random-internet-guy blithely dismisses the published opinion of someone with actual legal credentials, you know the discussion has broken down beyond repair. We are now at the fingers-in-ears and la-la-la-la stage of arguing. Only quotes that support your arguments will be considered valid, regardless of source or expertise.
You are entitled to believe that "you know better", just don't expect the rest of us to take you seriously, lol
err.. if the opinion of a lawyer / solicitor / barister mattered in a court of law, nobody would go to jail.
Except in this case they promised transparency on how exactly the car is being built and then there are concerns raised that they aren't being as transparent as promised. So yeah they do have the right to ask for every detail explained to them.
Agreed, especially after the newest revelation just posted here in the news feed...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I called it when KS become a thing, I said this was going to turn into a mess and gamers in the end would troll and kick and scream. Internet mobs only grow over time and no matter the facts at the start they are the vocal minority, in the end people pick up the cause because its negative so it must be true. This its only going to get bigger and its going to start covering other KS games.
Developers went to KSers to get away from corp mongers telling them what to do and now they have thousands of people doing just that on the net with just as much mongering. Sad thing is once it gets going you cant make them happy. Give them something and they will find reasons that move was wrong and make up 10 new ones. Im getting to the point of thinking of not posting on forums any more because I am sick of the gamers and their blind hate, hate sometimes for games they never plan on playing.
I'm not sure how being a backer entitles anyone to demand anything from a company, besides what they backed. You're not an investor. You're not invested in the project for financial gain. Donating a few hundred dollars in exchange for content in the finished product is not investing in a large company. The fact that anyone backing such an extreamly ambitious project and believing that it would be completed within the original time frame hasn't been around any sort of technology, especially game development. Outside of cookie cutter console games produced by established major companies with established production pipelines this doesn't exist.
What CIG is doing is completly new. Taking a new company, and essentially building (what could be) 3 seperate games (one of which is an MMO) around a unified persistant system is unprecidented. I figured most purly AAA MMO take around 4-5 years. So what CIG was proposing, to me, sounded like a 6 year project.
I had no idea who Roberts was before I backed SC. I don't particularly like his persona now that I have seen his media releases, he seems a bit pompus, but I like his vision. I am a backer, I've only backed enough to get one ship. I'm not a subscriber. I knew what I was signing up for a year ago when I backed and they have actually exceeded my expectations.
Just let them finish the damn game, and play something else in the meantime. It's only a game.
Sorry, I missed this question. I've worked on three shipped titles as a programmer and designer. I've also worked on several projects that didn't get released due to funding drying up. I'm not going to say my name for obvious reasons here, but I'm not working on a game project atm other than a hobby project I'm doing to tighten my skills with Unreal Engine 4 (and, it's not really a 'game' atm, so to say).