Tens or even hundreds of thousands of backers aka people who have spend THEIR MONEY just stay silent.
Yes. That's a fact. You could check yourself, but since "you are done with me", i guess that you just another passionate guy afraid of the true hurting your feelings.
I think that this is the exact reason why Roberts won't show the things that he could, to prove the doubters wrong and get back the trust that he lost on many people. Because he can't. He just would lose everyone else, if he shown the true.
The forum followers are a microscopic number of the CIG Backers. They are unable to represent the opinions of the backers in general, mainly because they are totally biased to forgive (and even between them, you see wars).
Both Star Citizen and Star Citizen Base forums have a sum total of over 150K registered users and both are extremely active with thousands of posts every day.
A microscopic number indeed...
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Yes... a microscopic number indeed. They definitely do not represent nothing. The forum are part of a show. Just that.
You never will find more than 1k or 2k "users" commenting there regularly. And that is in the popular moments only.
Using MMORPG.com's #'s (Members and Members Online) as an example only 8% are online as I post this. And of course this doesn't include active/nonactive members.
This thread is a case in point.
If around 10 of us hadn't given it constant CPR, it would have died last Friday...
True, but at least our CPR certifications are renewed for another 2 years.
If DS supporters want to use the numbers don't matter bit for game forums, only works against them. The majority of backers who don't post or follow the news daily have no idea who Smart is. However from what I am seeing on reddit and other online websites from those who do follow and post comments , most of them seem to be negative towards Derek Smart.
A lot of these users are not active at all. There is not a SINGLE pool even in the official comm-links that ever achieved anything near of this number.
And they are all voted by people which uses their forums with multiple accounts too. Actually they are even voted with people without any pledge.
The posts are posted in general by the same people again and again. All them are not even been honest about their opinions. Are there to make that as a PR tool, to defend CIG no matter what. I lost the times when I saw those backers saying "oh, but let's not discuss this here", or "lets talk about this in private"...
Even that they disagree that what CIG do is wrong, they will vote that is right to praise the gods and for proud. They won't speak in what is in their minds, sometimes, with fear of the ban hammer too.
Yes... a microscopic number indeed. They definitely do not represent nothing. The forum are part of a show. Just that.
You never will find more than 1k or 2k "users" commenting there regularly. And that is in the popular moments only.
No doubt their marketing team put a lot of focus on this minority. They are the ones who in general and majority, buy more ships. They think that are doing the right thing. They are not looking into the doors that are closed and what all that will cause to the perception of all the rest.
So, you are telling us that one of the most active game communities in the world at the time being only consists of some thousand backers, many of them with multiple accounts following CR's agenda and being used as a PR tools. Furthermore, backers aka people who spend their money on SC and are not happy with it's progress don't bother with the product's official forums.
Tens or even hundreds of thousands of backers aka people who have spend THEIR MONEY just stay silent.
You know what, you're way to biased for reasons i do not comprehend for someone to even try to fact with you. In order to advance your version you're prepared to go to any lengths, defy any logic and twist any info or numbers in order to fit your point of view.
I'm done with you.
Lol, he's probably not done with you.
This site has over 3 million registered users and currently just over 2.5K online (which I believe includes guests that are not even registered). There's likely less than 250 members currently logged into mmorpg.com. That's how it used to look prior to when they lumped the "Guests" with "Members" and renamed it simply "Users Online".
You're out of your mind if you think anywhere close to 150K people are posting on the SC forums. The majority of gamers never post on forums, especially game specific ones.
I have no stake in SC; not dropping a dime and will probably never play, but you are gravely misinformed about the reality of gaming forums.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Originally posted by Victor_Kruger If DS supporters want to use the numbers don't matter bit for game forums, only works against them. The majority of backers who don't post or follow the news daily have no idea who Smart is. However from what I am seeing on reddit and other online websites from those who do follow and post comments , most of them seem to be negative towards Derek Smart.
I bet the actual amount of backers that would support Derek Smart's demands (if they were all aware of them) would be 1% or less. Someone having good points is different than someone giving unreasonable demands on top of having a good point here or there.
Originally posted by Victor_Kruger If DS supporters want to use the numbers don't matter bit for game forums, only works against them. The majority of backers who don't post or follow the news daily have no idea who Smart is. However from what I am seeing on reddit and other online websites from those who do follow and post comments , most of them seem to be negative towards Derek Smart.
I doubt that DS is looking for support or even have "supporters".
He and others don't need support actually. I think that you and others failed to understand what is happening and what is going to happen.
Is that is all this argue is about? Getting support for Derek?
Originally posted by Victor_Kruger If DS supporters want to use the numbers don't matter bit for game forums, only works against them. The majority of backers who don't post or follow the news daily have no idea who Smart is. However from what I am seeing on reddit and other online websites from those who do follow and post comments , most of them seem to be negative towards Derek Smart.
I bet the actual amount of backers that would support Derek Smart's demands (if they were all aware of them) would be 1% or less. Someone having good points is different than someone giving unreasonable demands on top of having a good point here or there.
So, you all think that he made those demads to "get support" of SC fanboys?
LoL
That is just bureaucracy, man. Part of a game... And no... not that game that another guy said.
This site has over 3 million registered users and currently just over 2.5K online (which I believe includes guests that are not even registered). There's likely less than 250 members currently logged into mmorpg.com. That's how it used to look prior to when they lumped the "Guests" with "Members" and renamed it simply "Users Online".
You're out of your mind if you think anywhere close to 150K people are posting on the SC forums. The majority of gamers never post on forums, especially game specific ones.
I have no stake in SC; not dropping a dime and will probably never play, but you are gravely misinformed about the reality of gaming forums.
Thankfully, the majority of the SC backers don't post on the forums.
Imagine what would happen if 925,000 users all posted just once a week ?
Originally posted by Victor_Kruger If DS supporters want to use the numbers don't matter bit for game forums, only works against them. The majority of backers who don't post or follow the news daily have no idea who Smart is. However from what I am seeing on reddit and other online websites from those who do follow and post comments , most of them seem to be negative towards Derek Smart.
I doubt that DS is looking for support or even have "supporters".
He and others don't need support actually. I think that you and others failed to understand what is happening and what is going to happen.
Is that is all this argue is about? Getting support for Derek?
You have no idea.
LoL
You just showed the failed logic in your thinking, how exactly is Derek Smart going to bring internet justice to Roberts and his company when the majority don't care about his list of demands or are even aware of him whatsoever? Even if he is right , they can easily sweep what he is saying under the rug to be long forgotten about, which will most likely happen when the fps part of the game drops in a few weeks. There is no major uproar from most Star Citizen backers which means Derek Smart position is very weak one.
Thankfully, the majority of the SC backers don't post on the forums.
Imagine what would happen if 925,000 users all posted just once a week ?
I bet that most of them does not even exist.
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
You just showed the failed logic in your thinking, how exactly is Derek Smart going to bring internet justice to Roberts and his company when the majority don't care about his list of demands or are even aware of him whatsoever? Even if he is right , they can easily sweep what he is saying under the rug to be long forgotten about, which will most likely happen when the fps part of the game drops in a few weeks. There is no major uproar from most Star Citizen backers which means Derek Smart position is very weak one.
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
Angel investors? (that's a pretty word for what we could call, for real... friends).
What is your proof that all this money came from backers, beyond a self-controlled counter (by Roberts) and the word of Roberts?
I am not white knighting Derek Smart, by the way. I don't white knight any person beyond me, my mother and my cats
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
Angel investors? (that's a pretty word for what we could call, for real... friends).
Please take off your tinfoil hat and maybe you will say something that is isn't so ridiculous. If Robert has those kind of deep pockets in the first place , there would never been a need for a kickstarter for Star Citizen.
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
Angel investors? (that's a pretty word for what we could call, for real... friends).
Please take off your tinfoil hat and maybe you will say something that is isn't so ridiculous. If Robert has those kind of deep pockets in the first place , there would never been a need for a kickstarter for Star Citizen.
"We have investors that have agreed to contribute the balance we need to complete this game as long as we can validate that there is a demand for a high end PC space game."
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
Angel investors? (that's a pretty word for what we could call, for real... friends).
Please take off your tinfoil hat and maybe you will say something that is isn't so ridiculous. If Robert has those kind of deep pockets in the first place , there would never been a need for a kickstarter for Star Citizen.
You mean... to get 85 million dollars right?
But he wasn't looking for 85 million dollars.
Yeah the 85 million he got from backers you say don't exist. Good thinking by you there.
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
Angel investors? (that's a pretty word for what we could call, for real... friends).
Please take off your tinfoil hat and maybe you will say something that is isn't so ridiculous. If Robert has those kind of deep pockets in the first place , there would never been a need for a kickstarter for Star Citizen.
Just google "jcrg99" and you'll gain a broader understanding of the situation.
Yeah the 85 million he got from backers you say don't exist. Good thinking by you there.
Nah! I did not say that. I did not say that the money does not exist. Sure I said that all those backers do not exist. Which is a fact, proven by the own words of Chris Roberts, corroborated by the actual lack of grow in their level of participation.
But about the money I made a question... "Is this money came ALL from backers?"
Yeah the 85 million he got from backers you say don't exist. Good thinking by you there.
Nah! I did not say that. I did not say that the money does not exist. I made a question... "Is this money came ALL from backers?"
Anyone can read what's been quoted by you in my responses to your non-sense. The backers are real people , Wing Commander and Freelancer were very popular games for their time.
"I thought it would be good to explain a little of our thinking in the Aurora promotion that we are running with the Aurora brochure. According to our database we have over 40,000 users that signed up but have yet to back.
Some of these may be accounts of people that have pledged but their account is unlinked.
Some are secondary accounts of people that have backed through a different account.
Some of these will be people that signed up but have since decided that they are not interested in Star Citizen.
The last group are people that are interested but aren’t ready to back yet, either because they are not convinced just yet, or are waiting until they can play something.
A really interesting statistic is that almost 20,000 of the accounts with Golden Ticket status show as of not having a pledge!"
But yeah! All them appeared in the counter as "individuals" or "backers" as you say. They even mentioned in interviews that numbers of backers, which counted too, people who had already asked and received refund. Using phantoms, to promote the game as more popular than it actually is.
This situation, suddenly changed later? Hmmmm... I doubt. It only grew. Growing for years now. While, curiously, the level of participation doesn't.
More multiple accounts, more empty accounts, etc. etc.
Buy you flee of the question.
Where is the FACT who proves that all that money came from the hands of backers?
(the word of Roberts is not enough - his word has no value as this project already shown ... he breaks promises for money... so, it's hard to believe that he would tell the true here... and the counter... well... as you can see above, means nothing).
So, unless you have something more than (but... but... decades ago the genre was more popular)... my question is far to be ridiculous or impossible.
"I thought it would be good to explain a little of our thinking in the Aurora promotion that we are running with the Aurora brochure. According to our database we have over 40,000 users that signed up but have yet to back.
Some of these may be accounts of people that have pledged but their account is unlinked.
Some are secondary accounts of people that have backed through a different account.
Some of these will be people that signed up but have since decided that they are not interested in Star Citizen.
The last group are people that are interested but aren’t ready to back yet, either because they are not convinced just yet, or are waiting until they can play something.
A really interesting statistic is that almost 20,000 of the accounts with Golden Ticket status show as of not having a pledge!"
But yeah! All them appeared in the counter as "individuals" or "backers" as you say. They even mentioned in interviews that numbers of backers, which counted too, people who had already asked and received refund. Using phantoms, to promote the game as more popular than it actually is.
This situation, suddenly changed later? Hmmmm... I doubt. It only grew.
More multiple accounts, more empty accounts, etc. etc.
Buy you flee of the question.
Where is the FACT who proves that all that money came from the hands of backers?
(the word of Roberts is not enough - his word has no value as this project already shown ... he breaks promises for money... so, it's hard to believe that he would tell the true here... and the counter... well... as you can see above, means nothing).
So, unless you have something more than (but... but... decades ago the genre were more popular)... my question is far to be ridiculous or impossible.
That was a promotion ran two years ago , I would say its pretty good numbers just for a pixel ship. Since then they have gotten more backers and more money.
"I thought it would be good to explain a little of our thinking in the Aurora promotion that we are running with the Aurora brochure. According to our database we have over 40,000 users that signed up but have yet to back.
Some of these may be accounts of people that have pledged but their account is unlinked.
Some are secondary accounts of people that have backed through a different account.
Some of these will be people that signed up but have since decided that they are not interested in Star Citizen.
The last group are people that are interested but aren’t ready to back yet, either because they are not convinced just yet, or are waiting until they can play something.
A really interesting statistic is that almost 20,000 of the accounts with Golden Ticket status show as of not having a pledge!"
But yeah! All them appeared in the counter as "individuals" or "backers" as you say. They even mentioned in interviews that numbers of backers, which counted too, people who had already asked and received refund. Using phantoms, to promote the game as more popular than it actually is.
This situation, suddenly changed later? Hmmmm... I doubt. It only grew. Growing for years now. While, curiously, the level of participation doesn't.
More multiple accounts, more empty accounts, etc. etc.
Buy you flee of the question.
Where is the FACT who proves that all that money came from the hands of backers?
(the word of Roberts is not enough - his word has no value as this project already shown ... he breaks promises for money... so, it's hard to believe that he would tell the true here... and the counter... well... as you can see above, means nothing).
So, unless you have something more than (but... but... decades ago the genre was more popular)... my question is far to be ridiculous or impossible.
That's too funny, RSI "data" on the RSI playerbase/forum users. My rum and coke is in hand and I am prepared for illogical responses and reasoning back.
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True, but at least our CPR certifications are renewed for another 2 years.
Considering the external schedule. The internal probably is for another 7 (and yes Roberts is "optimistic" even internally).
Lol, he's probably not done with you.
This site has over 3 million registered users and currently just over 2.5K online (which I believe includes guests that are not even registered). There's likely less than 250 members currently logged into mmorpg.com. That's how it used to look prior to when they lumped the "Guests" with "Members" and renamed it simply "Users Online".
You're out of your mind if you think anywhere close to 150K people are posting on the SC forums. The majority of gamers never post on forums, especially game specific ones.
I have no stake in SC; not dropping a dime and will probably never play, but you are gravely misinformed about the reality of gaming forums.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I bet the actual amount of backers that would support Derek Smart's demands (if they were all aware of them) would be 1% or less. Someone having good points is different than someone giving unreasonable demands on top of having a good point here or there.
I doubt that DS is looking for support or even have "supporters".
He and others don't need support actually. I think that you and others failed to understand what is happening and what is going to happen.
Is that is all this argue is about? Getting support for Derek?
You have no idea.
LoL
So, you all think that he made those demads to "get support" of SC fanboys?
LoL
That is just bureaucracy, man. Part of a game... And no... not that game that another guy said.
Wake up.
Thankfully, the majority of the SC backers don't post on the forums.
Imagine what would happen if 925,000 users all posted just once a week ?
You just showed the failed logic in your thinking, how exactly is Derek Smart going to bring internet justice to Roberts and his company when the majority don't care about his list of demands or are even aware of him whatsoever? Even if he is right , they can easily sweep what he is saying under the rug to be long forgotten about, which will most likely happen when the fps part of the game drops in a few weeks. There is no major uproar from most Star Citizen backers which means Derek Smart position is very weak one.
I bet that most of them does not even exist.
Now you are getting beyond silly with your "white knighting" of Derek Smart . I suppose Roberts wave a wand and made of the crowd funding money appear by magic.
"Internet Justice"
LoL
Angel investors? (that's a pretty word for what we could call, for real... friends).
What is your proof that all this money came from backers, beyond a self-controlled counter (by Roberts) and the word of Roberts?
I am not white knighting Derek Smart, by the way. I don't white knight any person beyond me, my mother and my cats
Please take off your tinfoil hat and maybe you will say something that is isn't so ridiculous. If Robert has those kind of deep pockets in the first place , there would never been a need for a kickstarter for Star Citizen.
You mean... to get 85 million dollars right?
But he wasn't looking for 85 million dollars.
Have you forgot this?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/description
"We have investors that have agreed to contribute the balance we need to complete this game as long as we can validate that there is a demand for a high end PC space game."
Yeah the 85 million he got from backers you say don't exist. Good thinking by you there.
Just google "jcrg99" and you'll gain a broader understanding of the situation.
Standard answer when a fanboy notice that the true is coming. Always predictable.
Because obvious business decisions, in the "Fantastic World of Roberts" beyond the frontiers of Earth, are "ridiculous", "impossible"
"But... but... Roberts said that..."
Nah! I did not say that. I did not say that the money does not exist. Sure I said that all those backers do not exist. Which is a fact, proven by the own words of Chris Roberts, corroborated by the actual lack of grow in their level of participation.
But about the money I made a question... "Is this money came ALL from backers?"
Anyone can read what's been quoted by you in my responses to your non-sense. The backers are real people , Wing Commander and Freelancer were very popular games for their time.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12975-The-Aurora-Revealed
"I thought it would be good to explain a little of our thinking in the Aurora promotion that we are running with the Aurora brochure. According to our database we have over 40,000 users that signed up but have yet to back.
Some of these may be accounts of people that have pledged but their account is unlinked.
Some are secondary accounts of people that have backed through a different account.
Some of these will be people that signed up but have since decided that they are not interested in Star Citizen.
The last group are people that are interested but aren’t ready to back yet, either because they are not convinced just yet, or are waiting until they can play something.
A really interesting statistic is that almost 20,000 of the accounts with Golden Ticket status show as of not having a pledge!"
But yeah! All them appeared in the counter as "individuals" or "backers" as you say. They even mentioned in interviews that numbers of backers, which counted too, people who had already asked and received refund. Using phantoms, to promote the game as more popular than it actually is.
This situation, suddenly changed later? Hmmmm... I doubt. It only grew. Growing for years now. While, curiously, the level of participation doesn't.
More multiple accounts, more empty accounts, etc. etc.
Buy you flee of the question.
Where is the FACT who proves that all that money came from the hands of backers?
(the word of Roberts is not enough - his word has no value as this project already shown ... he breaks promises for money... so, it's hard to believe that he would tell the true here... and the counter... well... as you can see above, means nothing).
So, unless you have something more than (but... but... decades ago the genre was more popular)... my question is far to be ridiculous or impossible.
That was a promotion ran two years ago , I would say its pretty good numbers just for a pixel ship. Since then they have gotten more backers and more money.
That's too funny, RSI "data" on the RSI playerbase/forum users. My rum and coke is in hand and I am prepared for illogical responses and reasoning back.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/
(Scroll down - numbers are for today, 21st July 2015 - numbers are updated hourly
Total number of people that are registered at the Star Citizen homepage :
927.104 "Active Citizens" aka Star Citizens
of those
734.212 are "UEE Fleet" captains with one or more ships. Commonly known as "backers"
Those 734.212 have a pledge package. That means they added money to the project.
(85.179.270/734212= 116 $ on average per backer)
192.892 have not pledged yet, but follow the project.
Have fun