A stunning conceptual art from a Newsletter #86. No in-game footage yet.
Pax Prime in 2 weeks. They will be there.
Don't get your hopes up too high.
Stunning 'conceptual' trailer....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwvjElmFCfE not even in the same galaxy as the actual game let alone ball park. In fact it actually looks more like Star Citizen which is ironic
And according to the recent newsletter they will be only presenting CQC not the expansion
LOL that was not a "conceptual" trailer. It was a cinematic launch trailer that said at the start that it was not actual game play. Its amazing the number of people crying about a cinematic trailer, acting like every company does not do it. Oh well perhaps they are just new to the gaming world.
Take it as you will, but here is an in engine shot.
Yeah seen that picture and compared to the 'concept art' in the first picture, I agree it is more accurate of what you will actually get on most places you visit.
I am fully aware that the vid was not conceptual but I was indicating that what is 'art' bears absolutely no resemblance to what you get. Having played ED for 12 months I feel the picture in this weeks newsletter (i.e. the one above) is pretty representational about how I feel about the current state of the game.
Pre-ordering blind on the strength of a 2 minute CGI, conceptual art, and a few posts describing part of the season and given that nothing in ED comes close to any of it's promotional blurb (with the possible exception of the combat and graphics), is just pure madness in my book. I will be buying expansions at the end of the season not the start from now on, had this first year been a paid season I would be very disappointed.
The knee jerk reaction to concept/cgi is a bit 2005, even small children know the difference these days. No need really to announce that you will buy a game when you decide it has enough value for you, I bought at the beginning of elite D and have hardly played it, still waiting for the content to beef up, it's all good though wasn't 'hoodwinked' because I researched and knew what was likely to happen.
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Personally, I will wait for it to release and see what actual players are saying about the amount of content it provides. I think many of these features should have been included with the original game or released for free as an update.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
The pricing is a rip off though, they are basically making previous owners of the game repurchase the damn game to get access to the horizons expansion.
It doesn't even include all of the planetary landing either just part of it, to get access to all of what planetary landing is you will have to buy the next season....
Also they are taking a page out of Star Citizen and reoffering the Lifetime Pass albeit at a hugely inflated price...it was 50$ previously and now is 195$...lol
As opposed to star citizen which sell ships (or rather jpegs for ships) for 10x the price without even so much as an Alpha for a game.
Personally i rather pay ED for season passes with actually playable content in a game than SC for concepts of spaceships that are ridiculously overpriced.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
As opposed to star citizen which sell ships (or rather jpegs for ships) for 10x the price without even so much as an Alpha for a game.
Personally i rather pay ED for season passes with actually playable content in a game than SC for concepts of spaceships that are ridiculously overpriced.
Different folks, different strokes i guess.
Fact check:
You could get Star Citizen for as low as 25 bucks (X-Mas special).
A typical pledge these days costs 56 bucks (including access to the existing modules e.g. Arena Commander space dogfight and Social module, as well as the upcoming FPS module)
The average Star Citizen (voluntary) pledge is 117 bucks ( 88,274,299 $ divided by 757010 backers).
Elite Dangerous did cost me around 75 $ (actually it was more ...Beta Access...Decals.... Ship skins...the works :-). Elite Horizon will cost me another 46 bucks (but only because i get the 10 pound discount).
So ... Elite Dangerous plus (vacuum planet/moon landing DLC ) is around 121 bucks.
As opposed to star citizen which sell ships (or rather jpegs for ships) for 10x the price without even so much as an Alpha for a game.
Personally i rather pay ED for season passes with actually playable content in a game than SC for concepts of spaceships that are ridiculously overpriced.
Different folks, different strokes i guess.
Fact check:
You could get Star Citizen for as low as 25 bucks (X-Mas special).
A typical pledge these days costs 56 bucks (including access to the existing modules e.g. Arena Commander space dogfight and Social module, as well as the upcoming FPS module)
The average Star Citizen (voluntary) pledge is 117 bucks ( 88,274,299 $ divided by 757010 backers).
Elite Dangerous did cost me around 75 $ (actually it was more ...Beta Access...Decals.... Ship skins...the works :-). Elite Horizon will cost me another 46 bucks (but only because i get the 10 pound discount).
So ... Elite Dangerous plus (vacuum planet/moon landing DLC ) is around 121 bucks.
Have fun
And you get a fully playable game instead of a barely Alpha black box of "modules" that hardly work at all.
You see the difference in paying a developer to actually DELIVER a game as opposed to paying a developer to deliver some barely working Alpha crap?
I guess you don't since you been white knighting SC on this forum forever.
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StarCitizen Facts: Not even 20% of the ships sold are feature complete. Most are just jpegs. There is no game at all. Nothing is complete. Price: $60
EliteDangerous Facts: All ships are complete, the game is playable and complete. Price: $60
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
And you get a fully playable game instead of a barely Alpha black box of "modules" that hardly work at all.
You see the difference in paying a developer to actually DELIVER a game as opposed to paying a developer to deliver some barely working Alpha crap?
I guess you don't since you been white knighting SC on this forum forever.
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StarCitizen Facts: Not even 20% of the ships sold are feature complete. Most are just jpegs. There is no game at all. Nothing is complete. Price: $60
EliteDangerous Facts: All ships are complete, the game is playable and complete. Price: $60
See the difference?
Have Faith
As an early backer for both E:D and SC here is my personal opinion:
Is E:D playable ? Yes. With a very limited subset of features.
Is SC playable ? Partially yes. Feature complete No.
Is E:D complete ? Not by a long shot.
Is SC complete ? Not by a long shot.
Will E:D cost me as much as SC in the long run ? Very likely. (Thats a personal estimate)
With respect to Elite Dangerous: Is this cost voluntary as it is in SC ? No. I have to buy it to get access.
In SC i can choose how much i want to pay (everything above 25 bucks was voluntary).
>>> I guess you don't since you been white knighting SC on this forum forever. >>>
I have been accused of white knighting E:D on this forum forever too .... must be a "character flaw" ;-)
Have fun
Yep but SC is P2W, while ED is not.
There is a reason that SC is cheaper initial purchase, and its because the game is massively P2W. And sells everything in the cash shop. Want more weapons, see the cash shop, more powerful ship, yep cash shop. Want in game credits, yep again cash shop.
The SC fanboys always like to ignore the gameplay price for that cheaper initial purchase.
There is a reason that SC is cheaper initial purchase, and its because the game is massively P2W. And sells everything in the cash shop. Want more weapons, see the cash shop, more powerful ship, yep cash shop. Want in game credits, yep again cash shop.
The SC fanboys always like to ignore the gameplay price for that cheaper initial purchase.
Everything in SC can be bought with in game money, without the need for external real world cash. NOTHING in SC can only be bought by real world cash ... its one of the basic game design principles of SC. There are NO exclusive "premium" items like you would see in other games (e.g. premium ammo in WoT).
After the game launches you CANNOT buy ships with real world cash. Yes, there is a conversion factor between real world cash and in game cash. No, your wallet for that kind of cash is of limited size, too small for buying a ship, large enough to buy ship skins or temporary tuning kits.
You CAN rent (for testing) all of these items for a time with an in game money variant called REC which you can earn from playtesting. Lets you try out ships and items without the need for real world cash.
@TheYear1500 .. you all knew this ... we had this discussion on the SC subforum often enough. You just keep rehashing the P2W argument. The P2W thread at the official forum is at approx. 18,000 posts nowadays. EVERYTHING about that topic has been said 2+ years ago. It has long since degenerated into a matter of opinion. Only the official launch will show how it really is.
Coming back to E:D .... their cash shop offers ship skins only. But on the other hand, you HAVE to buy the DLCs at a IMHO quite steep price to get the full functionality. Whereas in SC that initial 25 $ was enough.
Star Citizen's PU is going to be judged on how they balance the UEC earning rate. Too low and it will be seen as pushing players to buy UEC (or items) from their cash shop. Too high and only lazy people or whales are going to use it. I'd rather pay a one-off fee for an expansion than tolerate a game with microtransactions. Jim Sterling did a good take on fee-to-pay -
Why do some people act like they have never bought an expansion before. If you're complaining about the content worth then it's just your opinion vs. their pricing and hardly worth a forum post. I've already put many many hours into the game and will be playing horizons on day one.
Why do some people act like they have never bought an expansion before. If you're complaining about the content worth then it's just your opinion vs. their pricing and hardly worth a forum post. I've already put many many hours into the game and will be playing horizons on day one.
How many expansions have you bought where you had to AGAIN rebuy the main game because its an integral part of the expansion package ?
As an early backer for both E:D and SC here is my personal opinion:
Is E:D playable ? Yes. With a very limited subset of features.
Is SC playable ? Partially yes. Feature complete No.
Is E:D complete ? Not by a long shot.
Is SC complete ? Not by a long shot.
Will E:D cost me as much as SC in the long run ? Very likely. (Thats a personal estimate)
With respect to Elite Dangerous: Is this cost voluntary as it is in SC ? No. I have to buy it to get access.
In SC i can choose how much i want to pay (everything above 25 bucks was voluntary).
>>> I guess you don't since you been white knighting SC on this forum forever. >>>
I have been accused of white knighting E:D on this forum forever too .... must be a "character flaw" ;-)
Have fun
To compare ED's state of "completeness" with SC's is a bit of a stretch lol... no matter how you word it.
For the simple fact that SC doesn't even have a game yet :P All it has are test platforms and modules lol
ED is actually a working game already with quite a lot of features already... not JUST a subset of features. I wouldn't call having ships and stations and missions and factions and powerplay a "subset" of features. Not even X series, or Freelancer, or Privateer series, or Elite 2 and Frontier 2, has this much. You are basically nitpicking if you are calling it "subsets of features".
The only major feature which is lacking is planetary landing, which is what the expansion is anyways. Which means they are already pretty close to done.
Frontier Development has actually be pretty fast with updates considering the size of their company, if we are being fair here.
Why do some people act like they have never bought an expansion before. If you're complaining about the content worth then it's just your opinion vs. their pricing and hardly worth a forum post. I've already put many many hours into the game and will be playing horizons on day one.
How many expansions have you bought where you had to AGAIN rebuy the main game because its an integral part of the expansion package ?
Have fun
None because I already had the main game. Same thing applies here.
How many expansions have you bought where you had to AGAIN rebuy the main game because its an integral part of the expansion package ?
Have fun
How many times have you had this explained to you? You are not buying the core game again. Existing owners pay $45 New players pay $60 Thus, the expansion is $45 and the original part of the game is reduced to $15 to lower the barrier of entry. How is it good business to expect new players to pay $90?
How many times have you had this explained to you? You are not buying the core game again. Existing owners pay $45 New players pay $60 Thus, the expansion is $45 and the original part of the game is reduced to $15 to lower the barrier of entry. How is it good business to expect new players to pay $90?
Typical DLCs in other games cost around 15 $. Not 45 $. IMHO thats what Horizons is worth. But your mileage may vary.
New players are expected (in SC) to pay 25 $ during X-mas season, or 56 $ currently. Sounds like good business to me. Worked too (so far 757,323 times). Everything beyond that is voluntary.
@aRtFuLThinG ; ****The only major feature which is lacking is planetary landing, which is
what the expansion is anyways. Which means they are already pretty close
to done. ***
Its landing on barren rocks without an atmosphere. A la Mass Effect 1 driving around with the MACO rover. With some things to be found (e.g. resources and maybe some crashed ships and maybe ruins).
Planetary landings is something different. Much more complex. Think "No Mans Sky" .. although they cannot create populated areas ... but their procedurally generated wilderness looks cool. Just as the procedurally generated solar systems in E:D look cool.
E:D is far from done. May i remind you that they still want to add walking around with avatars to the game. Which is a HUGE endeavor. Not to mention all the necessary NPCs and AI that need to be created. IMHO that task is about trice as large as everything done in E:D so far. EVE Online tries it for years now (and has failed once already).
How many times have you had this explained to you? You are not buying the core game again. Existing owners pay $45 New players pay $60 Thus, the expansion is $45 and the original part of the game is reduced to $15 to lower the barrier of entry. How is it good business to expect new players to pay $90?
Typical DLCs in other games cost around 15 $. Not 45 $. IMHO thats what Horizons is worth. But your mileage may vary.
New players are expected (in SC) to pay 25 $ during X-mas season, or 56 $ currently. Sounds like good business to me. Worked too (so far 757,323 times). Everything beyond that is voluntary.
Oh, so now it's a DLC and not an expansion? Perhaps someone ought to inform Frontier of that. /s
DLC is typically a couple more maps, a handful of new missions, maybe some new items etc, not a whole new tenet of gameplay. I
think it's ridiculous that you claim it's only worth $15 when there isn't a lot of info about what the expansion will contain, all we know so far is - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=172362 and that strikes me as worth more than $15 already.
How many expansions have you bought where you had to AGAIN rebuy the main game because its an integral part of the expansion package ?
Have fun
How many times have you had this explained to you? You are not buying the core game again. Existing owners pay $45 New players pay $60 Thus, the expansion is $45 and the original part of the game is reduced to $15 to lower the barrier of entry. How is it good business to expect new players to pay $90?
As a new player buying Elite Dangerous: Horizons, can I play Elite Dangerous today? If you pre-order Elite Dangerous: Horizons, you will unlock access to Elite Dangerous & Elite Dangerous: Horizons when Elite Dangerous: Horizons is release. You will not be able to play Elite Dangerous before the release date of Elite Dangerous: Horizons. To play Elite Dangerous today, you will need to purchase it separately in our store.
Price for ED as of now is $44.99 preorder of Horizons $59.99 So to play now a new player pays how much?
And how much total for both? So maybe explain it again....now, not in the future when the expac is out.
Oh, so now it's a DLC and not an expansion? Perhaps someone ought to inform Frontier of that. /s
DLC is typically a couple more maps, a handful of new missions, maybe some new items etc, not a whole new tenet of gameplay. I
think it's ridiculous that you claim it's only worth $15 when there isn't a lot of info about what the expansion will contain, all we know so far is - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=172362 and that strikes me as worth more than $15 already.
How much would be the MACO rover part of Mass Effect be worth to you ?
For me personally its not worth 45 $ but worth around 15 $. I have read the Frontier announcement. I am quite familiar with the Horizons content plans.
IF the cooperation between me in a Scarab ground vehicle and my mates up in space is really working and relevant, while attacking a ground base, I may revise that estimate. IF it is as ackward as the current "Wings" mechanic in space, a revision is unlikely. BUT there is still room for improvement.
Lets see how it is really implemented. Beta is coming soon.
In EVE Online i got all these "expansions" for free (10+ so far). And i do not pay any real money as monthly fee in EVE because its quite easy to earn enough in game cash to afford a PLEX. So i essentially got those for free, compared to the real world cash I have to pay in E:D.
Give me a STORY expansion in E:D ... the Thargoid invasion perhaps. Something NOT procedurally generated. THAT is what i would call an EXPANSION. Not a rover hoping DLC on airless barren moons/planets, which gets old quickly as any Mass Effect player can tell you.
In EVE Online i got all these "expansions" for free (10+ so far). And i do not pay any real money as monthly fee in EVE because its quite easy to earn enough in game cash to afford a PLEX. So i essentially got those for free, compared to the real world cash I have to pay in E:D.
Considering this is coming from you, an avid Star Citizen advertiser on this forum, I find that post the most hypocritical post of the year.
I understand that the game didnt get enough money to complete the game. I understand that the current game is empty and unfinished, but I don't like the full expansion price for something that will make the current "alpha" unfinished game to get a little bit more close to full released game.
I agree the price point is a touch too high, a very common theme these days.... that said, it is only a "touch," too high. Fans of the genre/game are dying for a modern space sim with planetary landings so we are seeing supply and demand at work. It's a tough call on value, obviously the amount of development time and skill that went into such a monumental task calls for a good return, but at the same time it is just the ground work of PL so for us players it will still feel like a game devoid of content, which is the problem ED has always had. I also really don't like their "season," concept, because I am quickly notice that every damn game in existence basically has a sub fee in the form of regular game changing DLC at this point.
That said... I'm going to be buying it and supporting the devs, because I have my doubts Star Citizen will ever release or that if it does, it will be a massive letdown. Elite is already pretty fun, just needs more content!
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Considering this is coming from you, an avid Star Citizen advertiser on this forum, I find that post the most hypocritical post of the year.
There is a big difference in voluntarily paying something extra to support an idea ....
and being forced to pay additional mandatory fees later to get a complete core product.
Its Elite, so its still worth it ... i like Elite since 1984 ... but I am not happy about the way Frontier is doing it.
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Yeah I'm sure all those people paying thousands of dollars for ships in SC are all doing it voluntarily but FD is FORCING you to buy the expansion. Your double standards couldn't possibly be more apparent.
You could buy the entire ED game including ALL expansions for less of what most ships cost in SC and yet you still have the audacity to complain about it.
Considering how CIG is charging for all their in-game assets, just think of how much Chris Roberts would be charging you for an expansion or DLC if he didn't have enough money to make his game 65 million ago.
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Take it as you will, but here is an in engine shot.
Yeah seen that picture and compared to the 'concept art' in the first picture, I agree it is more accurate of what you will actually get on most places you visit.
I am fully aware that the vid was not conceptual but I was indicating that what is 'art' bears absolutely no resemblance to what you get. Having played ED for 12 months I feel the picture in this weeks newsletter (i.e. the one above) is pretty representational about how I feel about the current state of the game.
Pre-ordering blind on the strength of a 2 minute CGI, conceptual art, and a few posts describing part of the season and given that nothing in ED comes close to any of it's promotional blurb (with the possible exception of the combat and graphics), is just pure madness in my book. I will be buying expansions at the end of the season not the start from now on, had this first year been a paid season I would be very disappointed.
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Personally i rather pay ED for season passes with actually playable content in a game than SC for concepts of spaceships that are ridiculously overpriced.
Different folks, different strokes i guess.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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You could get Star Citizen for as low as 25 bucks (X-Mas special).
A typical pledge these days costs 56 bucks (including access to the existing modules e.g. Arena Commander space dogfight and Social module, as well as the upcoming FPS module)
The average Star Citizen (voluntary) pledge is 117 bucks ( 88,274,299 $ divided by 757010 backers).
Elite Dangerous did cost me around 75 $ (actually it was more ...Beta Access...Decals.... Ship skins...the works :-). Elite Horizon will cost me another 46 bucks (but only because i get the 10 pound discount).
So ... Elite Dangerous plus (vacuum planet/moon landing DLC ) is around 121 bucks.
Have fun
You see the difference in paying a developer to actually DELIVER a game as opposed to paying a developer to deliver some barely working Alpha crap?
I guess you don't since you been white knighting SC on this forum forever.
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StarCitizen Facts: Not even 20% of the ships sold are feature complete. Most are just jpegs. There is no game at all. Nothing is complete.
Price: $60
EliteDangerous Facts: All ships are complete, the game is playable and complete.
Price: $60
See the difference?
Have Faith
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Is E:D playable ? Yes. With a very limited subset of features.
Is SC playable ? Partially yes. Feature complete No.
Is E:D complete ? Not by a long shot.
Is SC complete ? Not by a long shot.
Will E:D cost me as much as SC in the long run ? Very likely. (Thats a personal estimate)
With respect to Elite Dangerous: Is this cost voluntary as it is in SC ? No. I have to buy it to get access.
In SC i can choose how much i want to pay (everything above 25 bucks was voluntary).
>>> I guess you don't since you been white knighting SC on this forum forever. >>>
I have been accused of white knighting E:D on this forum forever too .... must be a "character flaw" ;-)
Have fun
There is a reason that SC is cheaper initial purchase, and its because the game is massively P2W. And sells everything in the cash shop. Want more weapons, see the cash shop, more powerful ship, yep cash shop. Want in game credits, yep again cash shop.
The SC fanboys always like to ignore the gameplay price for that cheaper initial purchase.
After the game launches you CANNOT buy ships with real world cash. Yes, there is a conversion factor between real world cash and in game cash. No, your wallet for that kind of cash is of limited size, too small for buying a ship, large enough to buy ship skins or temporary tuning kits.
You CAN rent (for testing) all of these items for a time with an in game money variant called REC which you can earn from playtesting. Lets you try out ships and items without the need for real world cash.
@TheYear1500 .. you all knew this ... we had this discussion on the SC subforum often enough. You just keep rehashing the P2W argument. The P2W thread at the official forum is at approx. 18,000 posts nowadays. EVERYTHING about that topic has been said 2+ years ago. It has long since degenerated into a matter of opinion. Only the official launch will show how it really is.
Coming back to E:D .... their cash shop offers ship skins only. But on the other hand, you HAVE to buy the DLCs at a IMHO quite steep price to get the full functionality. Whereas in SC that initial 25 $ was enough.
Have fun
I'd rather pay a one-off fee for an expansion than tolerate a game with microtransactions.
Jim Sterling did a good take on fee-to-pay -
Have fun
For the simple fact that SC doesn't even have a game yet :P All it has are test platforms and modules lol
ED is actually a working game already with quite a lot of features already... not JUST a subset of features. I wouldn't call having ships and stations and missions and factions and powerplay a "subset" of features. Not even X series, or Freelancer, or Privateer series, or Elite 2 and Frontier 2, has this much. You are basically nitpicking if you are calling it "subsets of features".
The only major feature which is lacking is planetary landing, which is what the expansion is anyways. Which means they are already pretty close to done.
Frontier Development has actually be pretty fast with updates considering the size of their company, if we are being fair here.
How many times have you had this explained to you? You are not buying the core game again.
Existing owners pay $45
New players pay $60
Thus, the expansion is $45 and the original part of the game is reduced to $15 to lower the barrier of entry. How is it good business to expect new players to pay $90?
New players are expected (in SC) to pay 25 $ during X-mas season, or 56 $ currently. Sounds like good business to me. Worked too (so far 757,323 times). Everything beyond that is voluntary.
@aRtFuLThinG ; ****The only major feature which is lacking is planetary landing, which is what the expansion is anyways. Which means they are already pretty close to done. ***
Its landing on barren rocks without an atmosphere. A la Mass Effect 1 driving around with the MACO rover. With some things to be found (e.g. resources and maybe some crashed ships and maybe ruins).
Planetary landings is something different. Much more complex. Think "No Mans Sky" .. although they cannot create populated areas ... but their procedurally generated wilderness looks cool. Just as the procedurally generated solar systems in E:D look cool.
E:D is far from done. May i remind you that they still want to add walking around with avatars to the game. Which is a HUGE endeavor. Not to mention all the necessary NPCs and AI that need to be created. IMHO that task is about trice as large as everything done in E:D so far. EVE Online tries it for years now (and has failed once already).
Have fun
Oh, so now it's a DLC and not an expansion? Perhaps someone ought to inform Frontier of that. /s
DLC is typically a couple more maps, a handful of new missions, maybe some new items etc, not a whole new tenet of gameplay.
I think it's ridiculous that you claim it's only worth $15 when there isn't a lot of info about what the expansion will contain, all we know so far is - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=172362 and that strikes me as worth more than $15 already.
If you pre-order Elite Dangerous: Horizons, you will unlock access to Elite Dangerous & Elite Dangerous: Horizons when Elite Dangerous: Horizons is release.
You will not be able to play Elite Dangerous before the release date of Elite Dangerous: Horizons.
To play Elite Dangerous today, you will need to purchase it separately in our store.
Price for ED as of now is $44.99 preorder of Horizons $59.99 So to play now a new player pays how much?
And how much total for both? So maybe explain it again....now, not in the future when the expac is out.
For me personally its not worth 45 $ but worth around 15 $. I have read the Frontier announcement. I am quite familiar with the Horizons content plans.
IF the cooperation between me in a Scarab ground vehicle and my mates up in space is really working and relevant, while attacking a ground base, I may revise that estimate. IF it is as ackward as the current "Wings" mechanic in space, a revision is unlikely. BUT there is still room for improvement.
Lets see how it is really implemented. Beta is coming soon.
In EVE Online i got all these "expansions" for free (10+ so far). And i do not pay any real money as monthly fee in EVE because its quite easy to earn enough in game cash to afford a PLEX. So i essentially got those for free, compared to the real world cash I have to pay in E:D.
Give me a STORY expansion in E:D ... the Thargoid invasion perhaps. Something NOT procedurally generated. THAT is what i would call an EXPANSION. Not a rover hoping DLC on airless barren moons/planets, which gets old quickly as any Mass Effect player can tell you.
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and being forced to pay additional mandatory fees later to get a complete core product.
Its Elite, so its still worth it ... i like Elite since 1984 ... but I am not happy about the way Frontier is doing it.
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That said... I'm going to be buying it and supporting the devs, because I have my doubts Star Citizen will ever release or that if it does, it will be a massive letdown. Elite is already pretty fun, just needs more content!
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You could buy the entire ED game including ALL expansions for less of what most ships cost in SC and yet you still have the audacity to complain about it.
Considering how CIG is charging for all their in-game assets, just think of how much Chris Roberts would be charging you for an expansion or DLC if he didn't have enough money to make his game 65 million ago.
Seriously...
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