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[Preview] World of Warcraft: Everything We Know About Legion So Far

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  • josko9josko9 Member RarePosts: 577
    Originally posted by Salvadorbard

     And yes WoW is much better than ESO.

    Only a 10yrs old would post such nonsense. WoW was never and will never be of the quality of ESO.

    Hell every MMORPG that released after 2012 was done of a much higher quality than WoW's BC/WOTLK era.

    Yes it was a great MMO for it's time, however right now it's just garbage. 

    Comparing it with ESO is like comparing Arena to Morrowind and other TES titles that followed.

  • WhySoSeriousWhySoSerious Member UncommonPosts: 156

    I did not buy MoP or WoD. I saw some really neat stuff in the Legion reveal today. So I'm leaning heavily towards buying Legion when it launches...

     

    - IF -  none of the announced features are cut out between now and launch.

     
  • CommoXCommoX Member UncommonPosts: 85
    Originally posted by Gorwe

    WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH WARCRAFT LORE???

    Have they witnessed the crazy thing called "Endtimes" and decided to follow their Progenitor's suit? wtf...

    Ya know, I was just finishing the Endtimes books for Gotrek and Felix and this sprung up. Chaos (Legion) wins and the world is shattered and reset. Age of Sigmar is supposed to be more steampunk-esq  (The models actually look more WoW like) and roughly two major characters from each faction become gods in this new portal filled world. I wouldn't doubt WoW follows suit. I'm all for fresh starts and the bad guys winning, but geez man, do it on your own.

     

  • PC_FerretPC_Ferret Member UncommonPosts: 49
    I'd like to see a third Demon Hunter spec as "ranged weapon DPS," perhaps bow, or possibly a thrown weapon such as a glaive similar to the Night Elf Sentinel weapon. It could work a bit like the D&D Arcane Archer prestige class, using the ranged weapon to deliver spell attacks. Since one of the DH abilities is seeing through obstacles, the ranged attack might be able to strike targets behind cover.
  • I'll hold judgement on this, at least until I see the reveal and all. But one thing I AM laughing at is the blatant ripoff of FFXI/FFXIV with the relic weapons. Even right down to the name and upgrades. Come on now blizz.
  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381

    Blizzard is really unique in presentations and this one was great as all in the past. I just can't wait to play demon hunter (but until then I will enjoy in full Gw2 and SWTOR, my current game no.1).

    I really hope this expansion brings glory back to Wow and that they fix what they did with Wod.

    Still they did not talk about bad talent system (I think great majority of players would like back 110 talent points system with a lot of variety), make again classes unique in their role (now all healers are just healers, before we had shaman healer, druid healer, priest healer, ... all very fun), ... then there is that disgusting abomination of "improved" models where we all wanted better RESOLUTION not COMPLETE CHANGE of faces), .... and where is REAL HOUSING?? Where one can customize their space ....

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Think I'm done with WoW.   Haven't we had enough of Gul'douche and we're going back to the Burning Legion - again...god I hated Outlands - Burning Crusade sucked.  Sorry, but it sucked.  There was not a zone in BC I liked.   ::sigh::  Plus we have to level to 110 and their changing talent trees again and then on top off that not only do we have to chase new PvP armor again...we have to chase new PvP talents?  Really...so sick of the constant having to learn to play a class all over again...tired of it.  

    So yeah...time to say goodbye to WoW - it was a great run...but I can't do the green shit again...got my fill of it in WoD.   I'm just done.

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218

    As a self-confessed Blizzard fanboy this is the first time I’ve been disappointed and underwhelmed with an expansion reveal.  Nothing in it really stands out to me.  I’ll still play it on day one… just saying.

  • GanksinatraGanksinatra Member UncommonPosts: 455
    2 words could cause a massive influx back to WoW with one caveat: progression servers. But the caveat would be MC switched to 25 man only. I woulf go back in a second to start fresh on a brand new server locked at 60 until either 6 months or all content cleared by X% of players. No dungeon finder. No raid finder. Just vanilla WoW with that one caveat.
  • gunmanvladgunmanvlad Member UncommonPosts: 281
    Am I the only one thinking that the Legion needs to learn when to call it quits? I mean, how many more times do they have to get their asses handed to them before they stop coming?
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    I honestly dont think this expansion will hold keep up WoW's longevity. Based on the details so far, it makes it seem like WoD was just a paid beta lol.
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521

    It seems the idea of each player being the king of the world is continuing but I hope they have found a better method of content delivery than, "get these 5-10 quests, the last of which will lead you down the road to the next 5-10", rinse/repeat.  For a while now WoW has been about delivering a pre-written story that you play through, much like single player titles, but adding dungeons, BGs, Raids, etc for some play with others. I can handle this long enough to get my money's worth, as I like the lore they are bringing, but I want to see if they can deliver content in a different way.

     

    During the reveal it was stated that those of us who have played for the last 8-10 years would be surprised but that may have just been the lead up to the expansion, not the gameplay in general.

     

    The most interesting thing of note was the mention of Turalyon and Alleria.  It was obvious that the next expansion would be Legion based because of how WoD was ending.  In thinking of the most engaging story I had thought about Turalyon coming back, but as a corrupted antagonist who would later be redeemed.  The greatest aspects of Warcraft's lore have come from compelling themes like betrayal, redemption, sacrifice, etc.  I hope they have something good in store this time.

     

    They need it.

  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Originally posted by Aelious
      I hope they have something good in store this time.

     They need it.

    Well, after the disastrous MOP they came with the same 'go there, kill that x times, get your reward here' and the same grinds, silly Facebook games, insta gratification stuff in WOD to show they are completely out of touch with the gaming community desires. Dividing the community into playing a lobby based game sitting in garrisons 24/7 waiting for a raid pop up to appear with only a chatbox connecting them.

    I do not think they learned from it, if all they just added more grinds with that artifact content, it makes ppl powergrind their way and different classes to get those weapons, resulting in more burn outs.

    If they really want to do something out of the box, they should add sandbox content.

    Like adding a dungeon generator template, where people can make their own dungeons with rewards they put in. Temporary dungeons, some MMO's (now dead) had it in the past.

    Stuff like that. Let players create their own content instead of making a linear path with 'start' & 'finish' which is the same experience for every player.

    Plus imo it is a shame that they leave the original world untouched, everything is on that new continent and the old world is useless with old stuff noone ever visits anymore.

    They should make WoW players scale to the region they are in. Only difference being the gear that they wear and their talent trees. And let mobs in all zones hit MUCH harder and add elite mobs that are, well, elite.

     
     

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    Originally posted by Muke
    Originally posted by Aelious
      I hope they have something good in store this time.

     They need it.

    Well, after the disastrous MOP they came with the same 'go there, kill that x times, get your reward here' and the same grinds, silly Facebook games, insta gratification stuff in WOD to show they are completely out of touch with the gaming community desires. Dividing the community into playing a lobby based game sitting in garrisons 24/7 waiting for a raid pop up to appear with only a chatbox connecting them.

    I do not think they learned from it, if all they just added more grinds with that artifact content, it makes ppl powergrind their way and different classes to get those weapons, resulting in more burn outs.

    If they really want to do something out of the box, they should add sandbox content.

    Like adding a dungeon generator template, where people can make their own dungeons with rewards they put in. Temporary dungeons, some MMO's (now dead) had it in the past.

    Stuff like that. Let players create their own content instead of making a linear path with 'start' & 'finish' which is the same experience for every player.

    Plus imo it is a shame that they leave the original world untouched, everything is on that new continent and the old world is useless with old stuff noone ever visits anymore.

    They should make WoW players scale to the region they are in. Only difference being the gear that they wear and their talent trees. And let mobs in all zones hit MUCH harder and add elite mobs that are, well, elite.

     

    Agreed on all accounts, although they would have to ease in sandbox type content/gameplay in because even though they are at 5.~M subs now they wouldn't risk angering that community by making things too different at once.  I would personally love if Blizzard released a more sandbox version of WoW.

     

    A dungeon editor would make perfect sense in Legion because Gul'dan created a portal system at the Tomb of Sargeras so there would be rationale for entry into pockets of any planet.  Provide an array of themes, even off-shoots of dungeons, that people could "Lego" together.  Great idea.

     

    I was happy to hear they were scaling old dungeons and was surprised they had waited so long to having scaling mechanisms in WoW.  Other titles like EQ2 have had this for a very long time.  I like your idea of scaling to the area they are in but what if it was all areas, not matter which? if the mobs scaled with you then you could go anywhere, and have the content relevant.

     

    My main fear in Legion is that it's the "same" xpac but a new skin and additional features.  Even the map looks similar to each other xpac map since BC.  I'm an optimist though so I'll hope that with the drop in subs and downward overall trend that Blizzard is at least trying to bring their A game.  This includes coming with some core gameplay goodies.

  • ThaneThane Member EpicPosts: 3,534
    well usualy blizz released around end of the year...

     

    so either they go for end of 2015 or end of 2016, and WoD surely doesn't have enough content left to carry them till the end of next year

    "I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"

  • adamlotus75adamlotus75 Member UncommonPosts: 387
    Looks cool.  Hoping that all the features make it in and there's more stuff to do than WoD.
  • NetspookNetspook Member UncommonPosts: 1,583
    Originally posted by josko9
    Originally posted by Salvadorbard

     And yes WoW is much better than ESO.

    Only a 10yrs old would post such nonsense. WoW was never and will never be of the quality of ESO.

    Hell every MMORPG that released after 2012 was done of a much higher quality than WoW's BC/WOTLK era.

    Yes it was a great MMO for it's time, however right now it's just garbage. 

    Comparing it with ESO is like comparing Arena to Morrowind and other TES titles that followed.

     

    Nonsense?

    WoW has survived nearly 11 years as a subscription game, and it still has 5.6 million players.

    Your precious ESO was a disaster to most people, proven by the fact it barely got out of the door before we all knew it wouldn't survive with a subscription model.

    Btw, calling ppl "10yrs old" just because of such a fairly neutral piece of opinion makes it perfectly clear who the real kid is.

  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381
    Originally posted by Netspook
    Originally posted by josko9
    Originally posted by Salvadorbard

     And yes WoW is much better than ESO.

    Only a 10yrs old would post such nonsense. WoW was never and will never be of the quality of ESO.

    Hell every MMORPG that released after 2012 was done of a much higher quality than WoW's BC/WOTLK era.

    Yes it was a great MMO for it's time, however right now it's just garbage. 

    Comparing it with ESO is like comparing Arena to Morrowind and other TES titles that followed.

     

    Nonsense?

    WoW has survived nearly 11 years as a subscription game, and it still has 5.6 million players.

    Your precious ESO was a disaster to most people, proven by the fact it barely got out of the door before we all knew it wouldn't survive with a subscription model.

    Btw, calling ppl "10yrs old" just because of such a fairly neutral piece of opinion makes it perfectly clear who the real kid is.

    He, he, he, ... I have impression josko9 is 9 years old ...

     

    Otherwise wow is the king, as for expansion for me from best to less best (none were bad at all so far, not even Wod): WOTLK, MOP, CATA,BC, WOD.

  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048
    Insanely skeptical. The promise so much seeming to throw EVERYTHING people wanted as far as setting or some characters while trying to push a lot. I can't see it working even IF they decide against the '1 year expansion' formula. I have so little expectation that it will pull off what they want in a satisfactory way. To me it just screams desperation to try and get people to jump on the next expansion. 
  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by expresso

    As a self-confessed Blizzard fanboy this is the first time I’ve been disappointed and underwhelmed with an expansion reveal.  Nothing in it really stands out to me.  I’ll still play it on day one… just saying.

    Blizzard could come out and say "This is our least ambitious, and most underwhelming expansion for WoW, and we really don't care. Here, we have some drawings and stuff to show you"...

    Millions of people would still buy it, because WoW.

    As much as it's dropping subs like crazy, guaranteed, it will still get millions back with the expansion.

    Of course, they'll all leave a short time later, once they've burned through everything, and then the subs will plummet again.

    Blizzard will respond by announcing another underwhelming expansion, with more underwhelming details, returning to the same well they've already visited yet, again, but with some new twist... probably some time-travel gimmick...

    But it doesn't matter... Millions of people will come back for it. Because WoW.

    And on and on.

    So long as the cattle return to feed, Blizzard will keep feeding them, even as the quality of the food decreases. And at this point, I'm pretty sure that's all Blizzard/Activision sees WoW's playerbase as. Cattle.

     

     
  • meonthissitemeonthissite Member UncommonPosts: 917

    So here's why I won't be buying this or resubbing as a long time player of World of Warcraft.

    I'm a hunter. I've played a hunter since before hunters had pets (and yes they were originally released without one for a short duration most people don't remember that.) WoW was the introduction into the game and the world of MMOs as a genre. And while I've had a blast playing it for many a year, I have to say I will NOT be buying it this time and here's why.

    Someone over there at Blizzard decided they would troll the hunter community as hard as they possibly could with this expansion. For years now Hunters especially BM hunters have wanted a Melee option because of the lore behind another melee hunter and a tank spec because our ability to easily tank 4 mans in a 5 man dungeon previously in another expansion without any extra coding or programming. We asked for it and we never got it, it was poopooed by the higher ups every time anyone mentioned it. 

    They even had the programming in the game that would automatically switch between melee and ranged whenever a certain distance from the target would be reached. So when I say they could have easily made this class another tank It's a no brainer. To add another hunter style class to the game just to give the expansion meaning and to ignore a broken class (broken by poor design choices by none other than Ghostcrawler that's never going to be fixed because they are too lazy to correct the inherent problems) is just amazing.

    And they want me to come back to the game after such an insult? Really? Why should I return? You're not giving me any incentive at all. The three specs for hunter are basically cookie cutter, there is nothing inherently different between the three. They even have the same shot layouts, and nothing is special about beastmaster that actually makes a difference in the world anymore. Hell even the specs on pets are the exact same, it doesn't matter which pet spec you take into PVP for example much less dungeons.

    And don't get me started on removing food that pets can eat to get their own buffs going. 

    So my point is until they take the hunter class more seriously and sit down to fix it I won't be coming back and I encourage all other hunters out there especially BM hunters to do the same. Don't waste your time or money.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    I'm a sucker for new classes, especially Hybrid Melee/Magic characters so its quite possible I'll check this out for a while when it releases but only for the solo level experience.  Not into MMO's any more because they're all the same thing.  Waiting for something to come along that captivated my time like Asheron's Call did so many years ago but it'll have to be revolutionary and well as evolutionary to get me back into an MMO fulltime though.  Till then I'm content with games like Path of Exile, Hearthstone, ESO in small doses and the occasional Stream game like Life is Strange.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • fs23otmfs23otm Member RarePosts: 506
    Originally posted by meonthissite

    So here's why I won't be buying this or resubbing as a long time player of World of Warcraft.

    I'm a hunter. I've played a hunter since before hunters had pets (and yes they were originally released without one for a short duration most people don't remember that.) WoW was the introduction into the game and the world of MMOs as a genre. And while I've had a blast playing it for many a year, I have to say I will NOT be buying it this time and here's why.

    Someone over there at Blizzard decided they would troll the hunter community as hard as they possibly could with this expansion. For years now Hunters especially BM hunters have wanted a Melee option because of the lore behind another melee hunter and a tank spec because our ability to easily tank 4 mans in a 5 man dungeon previously in another expansion without any extra coding or programming. We asked for it and we never got it, it was poopooed by the higher ups every time anyone mentioned it. 

    They even had the programming in the game that would automatically switch between melee and ranged whenever a certain distance from the target would be reached. So when I say they could have easily made this class another tank It's a no brainer. To add another hunter style class to the game just to give the expansion meaning and to ignore a broken class (broken by poor design choices by none other than Ghostcrawler that's never going to be fixed because they are too lazy to correct the inherent problems) is just amazing.

    And they want me to come back to the game after such an insult? Really? Why should I return? You're not giving me any incentive at all. The three specs for hunter are basically cookie cutter, there is nothing inherently different between the three. They even have the same shot layouts, and nothing is special about beastmaster that actually makes a difference in the world anymore. Hell even the specs on pets are the exact same, it doesn't matter which pet spec you take into PVP for example much less dungeons.

    And don't get me started on removing food that pets can eat to get their own buffs going. 

    So my point is until they take the hunter class more seriously and sit down to fix it I won't be coming back and I encourage all other hunters out there especially BM hunters to do the same. Don't waste your time or money.

     

    See this is someone who didn't watch the release video... Survival Hunters are becoming a melee hunter. They are getting an artifact called The Eagles Spear... a polearm. 

    Survival will be melee, BM will be the pet/bow hybrid, and MM will be the bow spec. 

  • uriel_mafessuriel_mafess Member UncommonPosts: 258

    They have lived on a pile of gold for years doing literally nothing. Now things start to fall appart and subs plummet. They tried to compensate the fall of their main income source with new tiny games like Hearthstone, Heroes and the new Overwatch. But the replenishment flow isnt strong enough if the subs keep plummeting. And delaying the announcement would have been devastating this whole quarter.

    Shareholders and stocks look nervous. SC2 new expansion (wont call it a new game ever) is not raising to much expectation. I to think that they made this announcement early due to all this.

    Basically is like having your monthly wages reduced a 10-20% from quarter to quarter. Thats the foundation of your economy. Puntual income produced by games and expansions at launch (Diablo, SC2, etc)  help but after a decade of constant income flow I fear they gave it for granted and now they start to rush things.

  • BruhzaBruhza Member UncommonPosts: 391

    Honestly I think the new areas look good.

     

    As for the hate this is getting. I think its more of the mentality that people have anymore when talking about MMO's or WoW in general. People seem to think that if WoW finally dies a new MMO will take its place and fill that void. 

     

    Frankly I doubt this to be the case. The community has been abusive to MMO's as of late to the point where if its not beyond perfect it will be forgotten within the month. This scares companies into not making MMO's. So those of you that wish death upon all "bad" MMO's, well, you may just get your wish and I don't think it's what you wanted.

     

    We control the outcome of MMO's and at this point it's not looking good.

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