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MMOFTW - Pathfinder Resets Its Course

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited September 2015 in Videos Discussion

imageMMOFTW - Pathfinder Resets Its Course

This week is all about the Pathfinder Online shake-up, Marvel Heroes layoffs, WildStar

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  • TimberhickTimberhick Member UncommonPosts: 554
    Didn't realize PFO was released already. According to MMORPG, Status:Final (rel 2014). Explains much.
  • BitterClingerBitterClinger Member UncommonPosts: 439
    edited September 2015
    Yep... when you give a game designer an IP, and that game designer turns around and says he can't simply design a game that corresponds to the IP; this is it where that ends up.
    Classic WoW: Back to the Future
  • MitaraMitara Member UncommonPosts: 755
    another really really crap game designer.. why are there so many of them?
  • NordicApacheNordicApache Member UncommonPosts: 134
    PFO and Ryan can quietly exit the building now.
  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    Timberhick said:
    Didn't realize PFO was released already. According to MMORPG, Status:Final (rel 2014). Explains much.
    It's released by our standards. Taking monthly sub, no wipes.

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  • BluddwolfBluddwolf Member UncommonPosts: 355
    edited September 2015
    BillMurphy said:
    Timberhick said:
    Didn't realize PFO was released already. According to MMORPG, Status:Final (rel 2014). Explains much.
    It's released by our standards. Taking monthly sub, no wipes.
    What would you consider a reset? Which are more important and how many to meet the standard of a true reset? * New CEO * New Vision * New Engine * New Developer / Publisher * New Monetization Model * Server Wipe Before Relaunch

    Played: E&B, SWG, Eve, WoW, COH, WAR, POTBS, AOC, LOTRO, AUTO.A, AO, FE, TR, WWII, MWO, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, NWO, WoP, RUST, LIF, SOA, MORTAL, DFUW, AA, TF, PFO, ALBO, and many many others....

  • LheiahLheiah Member UncommonPosts: 190
    $150 to translate an already launched game and set up an aggressive cash shop....smells like Trion to me.
  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,814
    BillMurphy said:
    Timberhick said:
    Didn't realize PFO was released already. According to MMORPG, Status:Final (rel 2014). Explains much.
    It's released by our standards. Taking monthly sub, no wipes.
    This is what Willis was talkin bout!
    MMORPGs aren't easy, You're just too PRO!
  • Charlie.CheswickCharlie.Cheswick Member UncommonPosts: 469
    Such a lost opportunity. A shame someone doesn't pick up the IP & do it justice.
    -Chuckles
  • KilmaulKilmaul Member UncommonPosts: 121
    edited September 2015
    PFO had been on my radar for a while.  It really sounded like an interesting game, before they made it.
  • JayFiveAliveJayFiveAlive Member UncommonPosts: 601
    I am embarrassed to say I kickstarted this atrocity and it was so bad i couldn't even play for my free month or whatever. One of the only kickstarters I really regret.
  • sakersaker Member RarePosts: 1,458
    Another in the long list of games I had such hopes for. Such a hugely developed P-N-P game, so much they could easily call on for story characters and lore...
  • VelocinoxVelocinox Member UncommonPosts: 1,010
    edited September 2015
    Look, I understand the interest in sandbox and pvp that seems to be new now, but the Pathfinder IP is one that is served better by plenty of themepark in its design. There is nothing wrong with making this a Sandpark with set-piece content but also places in the world for players to build their holdings and towns. There is just too much fantastic theme-type content available to paizo and pathfinder to ignore it entirely and completely jump on the pvp sandbox bandwagon that so dominates today's MMOs in development.
    Post edited by Velocinox on

    'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


    When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.


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  • ice-vortexice-vortex Member UncommonPosts: 960
    edited September 2015
    I think D&D 5e is the most played tabletop RPG now. The only stats we have to determine it is the number of active games on Roll20 and sales, of which 5e is ahead in both. The only reason people played Pathfinder is because it was an evolution of the 3.5e ruleset and they really didn't like 4e.
  • THEHIGTHEHIG Member UncommonPosts: 8
    This was an easy call my experience with Ryan is he is egotistical and a poor business person. Everything I mean everything he touches turns to crap look back at his failed attempt to take over the Living Cities property from Wizards he managed to run that into the ground in record time. This is one more example of his talent. Bravo. Luckily I did not fall for his BS this time around.
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  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    While I was occasionally vocal about the "crowdforging" nonsense, I was really hoping they pulled it off.  The potential it had was exactly what I am looking for in an MMO. 
    "Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game."  - SEANMCAD

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    I feel bad for those that supported the idea of this game. Hopefully it doesn't influence feature attitudes toward supporting other ideas of gaming just because of this group of....inexperienced individuals.
  • lobotarulobotaru Member UncommonPosts: 165
    While PF online was a flop, I shudder at what a publisher would do with it. Please god, not another trinity based themepark. Anything but another trinity based theme park.
  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    edited September 2015
    It's not so much about sandbox/themepark with PFO, but the low production quality of it. The models, textures, and animations are subpar compared to other MMOs. It's not a knock against their devs, just an observation. If it had higher quality standards, there's no doubt more people would've taken interest in it. This is what plagues indie developers and most kickstarter/crowdfunded projects.
  • RaquisRaquis Member RarePosts: 1,029
    I will not pay a subscription fee so path finder can go screw themselves!
  • VestigeGamerVestigeGamer Member UncommonPosts: 518
    When they asked players to fund their tech demo, I knew then they did not have the belief in their own game. Now that lack shows through.

    VG

  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Taking a PvE IP and turning into a PvP centric game is kind of silly I think.
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  • majimaji Member UncommonPosts: 2,091
    Never heard of PFO before, but those video snippets didn't look that impressive.

    Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

    Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    BillMurphy said:
    Timberhick said:
    Didn't realize PFO was released already. According to MMORPG, Status:Final (rel 2014). Explains much.
    It's released by our standards. Taking monthly sub, no wipes.
    This is the only standard to have, otherwise F2P MMOs would be saying they were in Beta until the 22nd Century. As Bill said we need a new hit, this sort of thing just puts a question mark over the genre. (The quote box is a bit weird I am seeing all the formatting commands from the quoted post)
  • BluddwolfBluddwolf Member UncommonPosts: 355
    maji said:
    Never heard of PFO before, but those video snippets didn't look that impressive.
    That is because Pathfinder Online's "Marketing Genius" of a former CEO, Ryan Dancey did not believe the game needed marketing, could not afford marketing or did not want to be bothered with marketing the game.

    He was so confident that players would want to play this game he concocted the idea of staggering entry to 2,000 players a month.  By this time PFO was supposed to have 18,000 players, they perhaps only missed their goal by 97%.   

    I hope Paizo realizes that if they are "Resetting the Course", a substantial graphics upgrade along with massive amounts of work on the game play, UI and new player experience are included.  

    For every one gamer that says they don't care about graphics, there are 10,000 that do.  

    Played: E&B, SWG, Eve, WoW, COH, WAR, POTBS, AOC, LOTRO, AUTO.A, AO, FE, TR, WWII, MWO, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, NWO, WoP, RUST, LIF, SOA, MORTAL, DFUW, AA, TF, PFO, ALBO, and many many others....

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