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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    That's an interesting perspective. What about games that start in the West (outside Hackzone) and then subsequently get released in Hackzone? Have they suffered a similar fate and if so which ones? If not, why are they Hackzone proof?
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    LMAO i'll have to be honest,i only have a minute idea of what you are talking about.

    When you say hack zone are we talking about Korea?Or an actual testing site called Hackzone  lol.

    If we are just talking about hacking in general,nobody has shown me they give a heck.It takes some planning and effort to make a game hack free,devs are simply in a rush to get their game out,they couldn't care less about what happens to the economy after it releases.

    It takes a lot of player complaints before devs act,then we have a HUGE amount of these devs don't even have a decent avenue for complaints or feedback,so in other words they really don't care at all.

    I have yet to see enough of BD ,i think it is a game i might have to actually play but so far it does not look promising from the videos i have watched.What i have seen is BD is ok in some areas but overall i just don't think it will have any longevity.I see an initial excitement/hype,lots of initial players ,maybe 2 million then a VERY fast drop off to a near ghost town within 3-4 months.

    The ONLY game to me imo that shows ANY promise is Elyria but i am not holding my breathe until i see a lot more.




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  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    FFXIV had all kinds of issues long before it was released in the hackzone.  People in the hackzone are aware of what games are popular and where they might be able to make money even if something is not released in their territory.
  • makasouleater69makasouleater69 Member UncommonPosts: 1,096
    Glad I play a game no one over there cares about lol. Just tell them to stop fing  around,before we ban together and pull USA military support. That will put a end to that, now won't it.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952

    Tera online faced similar problem but they clipped it off in the bud and Tera flourishes as an amazing f2p.


    I don't consider Tera an amazing anything other than having great combat. It's a pretty shallow game.

    Maybe you think it's an amazing f2p because it makes money and is doing well but what is it doing? design wise it seems all over the place. Lineage 2 and Aion had better game design (if not better combat in my opinion).
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  • AldersAlders Member RarePosts: 2,207
    Or how about the real reason every eastern MMO "fails" in the west - lack of PVE content. The only exception being FFXIV.

    I'm not disregarding or ignoring the hacking that always goes on but it's secondary in my opinion.
  • CoatedCoated Member UncommonPosts: 507
    In the US, everything is F2P and all are welcome.

    Translation: Hackers welcome, Community wrecked.
  • MothanosMothanos Member UncommonPosts: 1,910
    If Black Desert isnt going to be ruined by hackers then it will be due to credit card warriors, just like Archeage.

    Its funny that even in 2015 there isnt a anti detection / hack program solid enough to catch cheaters while millions and millions are earned.

    Look at Archeage.... tons of super fun features but a gear grind that relies so heavy on RNG that it makes most honest players cringe.

    In a pvp game with such big of a gear diffrence its no wonder people resort to hacking or means of cheating.,
    I gues the same fate will be waiting for Black Desert, i hope i am wrong but we all know how this story is going to end.


    You cant catch them all, but the lack of effort to on a world wide level to combat mmo cheaters is a joke and the industry should be ashamed of themselves for not uniting against this cancer after decades of failures to wipe those hackers out.


  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    edited September 2015
    [mod edit]You really are not that important hence why it's Russia that gets it first and a good chance it will be Europe next. Black Desert will far from fail even if it doesn't release in NA or Europe. [mod edit]
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  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    edited September 2015
    Wizardry said:
    LMAO i'll have to be honest,i only have a minute idea of what you are talking about.

    When you say hack zone are we talking about Korea?Or an actual testing site called Hackzone  lol.

    If we are just talking about hacking in general,nobody has shown me they give a heck.It takes some planning and effort to make a game hack free,devs are simply in a rush to get their game out,they couldn't care less about what happens to the economy after it releases.

    It takes a lot of player complaints before devs act,then we have a HUGE amount of these devs don't even have a decent avenue for complaints or feedback,so in other words they really don't care at all.

    I have yet to see enough of BD ,i think it is a game i might have to actually play but so far it does not look promising from the videos i have watched.What i have seen is BD is ok in some areas but overall i just don't think it will have any longevity.I see an initial excitement/hype,lots of initial players ,maybe 2 million then a VERY fast drop off to a near ghost town within 3-4 months.

    The ONLY game to me imo that shows ANY promise is Elyria but i am not holding my breathe until i see a lot more.





    Funny you say this , I can tell by the comment that you have no idea how games are made.. at all, Nothing is hack free even the CIA gets hacked.... So making a stupid comment like that .  is a prime example of people who bash devs have no clue...Also, when devs have  nothing to do with the choice behide this.. The company does... Management etc and even so everything can be hacked..... Period..


  • ChromeBallzChromeBallz Member UncommonPosts: 342
    Uhm..... What?

    Russians can play games which are released only in EU/NA just as well as games released in other regions. That said, they're not the ones hacking, the hackers are.

    Stereotyping is bad mmkay? Hackers are a diverse bunch - There's just as many in the US as there are in Russia. Most of the hacks used in Western games are hosted on American websites even :pleased: 

    In fact, you might argue that because a game is released in EU/NA, it will be hacked by the EU/NA crowd, so it shouldn't be released there.

    But then, hackers will just use VPN's to circumvent IP blocks, as well as stolen credit cards, so in fact you're not helping anyone with that kind of attitude. Hackers will always find a way, that's part of their core identity.

    You can't prevent cheating in any game via automatic means. You do need active GM's to monitor suspicious behaviour.



    Also, comparing Archeage to BDO? Totally different games man.... You may actually want to play them, or at least read up on what they actually are like ;p

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  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    It's not a hack zone... it's merely games that have been released previously in another region appear to be hacked instantaneously in a new region because people are using the hacks created previously for the launch region.

    All games are hackable... in fact, all are hacked each and every day.  To suggest that games are any less susceptible to hacks than say, oh, I don't know, Microsoft Windows, is absurd.  If anything, they are an even bigger target because they annoy even more people in the process.  

    To worry about something that may or may not happen is silly.  Do you refuse to fly because some terrorist might fly you into a building?  Do you refuse to drive because some drunk or person texting might t-bone you?  Do you refuse to eat because you might get food poisoning?  Paranoia is paranoia.  Spreading it doesn't make it go away nor does it change the fact that life happens.


  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    edited September 2015
    Keep in mind the reason the hack zone flourishes is the low moral character of the player base that uses their products.

    I will agree with the OP however, if they can't reign in the hacking better than AA did at launch, it will very likely impact it's success, at least here in the west.

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  • thunderclesthundercles Member UncommonPosts: 510
    Played the kr version for about a month. Can't even understand the need for hacks. The game is easy mode. Really cool systems. Just way too easy.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    DMKano said:
    Like they really need the NA lol. You really are not that important hence why it's Russia that gets it first and a good chance it will be Europe next. Black Desert will far from fail even if it doesn't release in NA or Europe. You don't come first. Don't like it then go play one of the many wonderful mmo's that are being made in NA right now lol.

    NA is by far the biggest profit per player out of all regions for MMOs. It is HUGELY important to dev studios.

    You are delusional mr 'i'm a dev man' http://mmos.com/editorials/most-profitable-mmos-mmorpgs

    The reason why it's released last is because NA playerbase wants the most polished product otherwise they won't spend money.  So devs release it on other regions first while getting more content and polish done for NA launch.

    Also NA publishers are way pickier that RU publishers because they know how demanding thr NA players are.

    Really! tell that to Daum Games.

    Q: Why did Daum Games decide to set up its Western operations in Europe, and not North America?

    A: It’s a bit of a long story, but to keep it simple, the EU market is more favorable to games from Korea or Asia in general. The variety of countries and cultures are also a great opportunity to have more business opportunities. We are looking forward to having players from both continents discovering and experiencing Black Desert Online!


    http://mmoculture.com/2015/09/black-desert-interview-with-daum-games-europe-for-action-online-game/

    They obviously think differently hence the "more business opportunities" comment.


    And your dribble about getting the game tip top for the NA market is utter tripe lol. Oh and Asia is the biggest MMO market not NA. 




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  • Jonas_SGJonas_SG Member UncommonPosts: 475
    the hackzone has over 2 yeas of this game, it is petty much dead for NA.


    Okey, I have to ask - What is this hackzone I keep hearing about.



    I don't think this game would be very popular in NA/EU, since it requires a very powerful computer to run, and doesn't have a focus in PvE. But it will definatly steal a lot of players from similar games, like Archeage and Tera.

    Black desert graphics are amazing, combat is also amazing, very deep trading-crafting system, very fun PvP. And the game feels more much more real than Archeage. In Archeage you can see a lot of empty places, empty roads, stationary NPC's. In Black Desert, everything feels more alive. It's Awesome. You guys should really try it.

  • Superman0XSuperman0X Member RarePosts: 2,292
    DMKano said:
    Like they really need the NA lol. You really are not that important hence why it's Russia that gets it first and a good chance it will be Europe next. Black Desert will far from fail even if it doesn't release in NA or Europe. You don't come first. Don't like it then go play one of the many wonderful mmo's that are being made in NA right now lol.

    NA is by far the biggest profit per player out of all regions for MMOs. It is HUGELY important to dev studios.

    The reason why it's released last is because NA playerbase wants the most polished product otherwise they won't spend money.  So devs release it on other regions first while getting more content and polish done for NA launch.

    Also NA publishers are way pickier that RU publishers because they know how demanding thr NA players are.

    NA/EU have a higher ARPPU than other regions, but they do not make the most money. The highest REVENUE region is Asia.

    Many dev studios would like to publish in NA/EU, but do not have the resources to do so. This is why they use third party publishers (like Trion with ArcheAge). However, the market for such publishers has gotten much smaller in the past few years. The cost of publishing/operations is also much higher in NA/EU.
  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433
    edited September 2015
    If you mean Russia, just say it's Russia.

    Yes, that region has a massive amount of hackers / botters, you're right. That said, there are many Western-only games that have issues with those as well. It all depends on how the publisher tries to counter them.

    I don't think this game will be that popular in the West just because it is likely to feature a bunch of mechanics that are not favoured here. It's not so much about botters & hackers imo.

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  • parpinparpin Member UncommonPosts: 220
    as of today this is the number one bs thread ive seen in mmorpg.com
    first...there are number of example of games released globally including hackzone...with very competitive pvp..best example is guild wars 2...and it is doing fine not hack free but it is fine.
    archage failed hard because of the lack proper and strong hack wall/anti hack software..and the way the game works..i mean the system or structure of the game makes it a good medium for hacking.
    secondly...90% of hackers and botters are basically gold sellers...guess who are the best customers for them..NA/EU people...this is also can be solved with changes to economy and make sure that the good stuff are obtainable from playing the game rather than buying it from the game trade center via gold or any other in game currency.

    BD wont die and it will have its own player base if they change the economy and have strong hack wall...anyways archage is still alive with all hacking and everything so do not worry about BD.
  • rounnerrounner Member UncommonPosts: 725
    DMKano said:
     


    Really so you think that's their actual reason and has nothing to do with the Netherlands being a tax haven?
    I think Apple said the reason they are based in Ireland is access to "highly skilled staff", yet locals interviewed claim they are all fly in fly out's.
  • TalonsinTalonsin Member EpicPosts: 3,619
    I understand the pvp-focused players are the most vocal on forums but casual players are truly the majority.  If you want to bring in the most money, you dont focus on gear-based pvp. 
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  • thunderclesthundercles Member UncommonPosts: 510
    DMKano said:
    Played the kr version for about a month. Can't even understand the need for hacks. The game is easy mode. Really cool systems. Just way too easy.
    CBT1 was challenging but that was when they still had hard bosses that could not be soloed.

    The whole removal of group bosses to summon able solo bosses was a real wtf moment for me. Also the whole shift to PvE solo focus in general

    But this interview explaines why they did it:

    http://black-desert.com/interviews/black-desert-revelation-an-honest-to-god-interview-with-pearl-abyss-on-the-status-quo-of-black-desert/
    The first time I summoned a boss I didn't realize what I was doing. I thought I was about to get crushed. Solo'd him with simple button smashing. Between that and getting a daily quest where you just walk to the mayor guy and he gives you a ton of $$, all feeling of achievement was gone.
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