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As far as the rotation argument goes, I just fail to understand how people can say the game is easy, when they purposely play the easy difficulties and are unwilling to learn.
From somebody who learned PvE at a pretty high level, and tried to learn as much as I could, in a short amount of time, the amount of things you can do to increase your efficiency (and like I said, especially during MOP and previously) is really crazy.
It put the game in a whole other perspective for me, because I was always just a PvPer and laughed at PvErs because I thought it was easy.
I would seriously recommend anybody who has the time to learn, do it. And the more you study what you're doing on certain bosses, and what to do during trinket procs, when to use CDs, where to place yourself in the raid, while doing boss mechanics, it's a ton of fun, and you can keep digging and learning more and more.
I guess the thing I really liked the most was the competition, playing with people who had raided for years, and trying to beat them on every boss, and figuring out how to be #1 on every boss, and then trying to improve your score on parses.
Eventually though, I was raiding on 2 characters, Tues/Wed/Thurs 7pm-1am and Sat 10pm-1am. And I got burnt out, and this expansion with 20m Mythic and a bunch of other things, made a lot of good guilds and players quit.
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Oh, and I will be trying Wildstar again once there's no 4 hour queues and 30 second delay on actions. Btw, the guilds that moved over from WoW to hardcore raid in Wildstar didn't quit because it was hard, they quit because it was broken and the devs didn't listen and didn't care. There is a difference.
I agree it can be fun, not just in WW but in other games like FFXIV as well. But at the end of the day it is still just memorizing rotations and patterns. Does it get more "complex"? Sure. But it just equates to more predictable stuff that you know is going to happen, when its going to happen, and what you and everyone else is supposed to do when it does. Everything is scripted.
But when it comes to PvP, nothing is scripted. You not only have to know all your strengths and weaknesses, but also those of every other class & build, and have to be able to react on the fly to a constantly changing situation where not only will your opponent do unexpected things, but also your allies. You can have a million fights and not one of them be the same as any other.
PvE = Playing a normal game of golf. The course is laid out in front of you, and while there may be some slight variables, you can account for most things and plan accordingly. You're not going to be in the middle of your swing and have some guy run up out of nowhere and knock you on your ass.
PvP = Playing a game of golf while a whole bunch of other people are also playing that course and trying to hit you with their balls constantly, trying to steal your clubs, run you over with their carts, etc while you still try to finish the course with ninjas waiting in the trees to ambush you and rabid dogs chasing you from hole to hole.
There will never be another WOW style pve raiding game because a majority of the population doesn't find it fun anymore, including myself. Even Blizzard understands this. So if you are looking for another WOW, good luck.
Also over the years WOW has gotten extremely casual and less difficult. I agree that up until mid WOTLK wow had some very difficult Raiding. Vanilla days were extremely hardcore. I lol'd @ your armory comment. Fact is, most veteran WOW players are all gone. The ones that played when the game was truly difficult. Back when you were still in diapers OP lol
Obviously all the old wow players is gone. Who the heck even play the same mmo for 10 years.
Who the heck even play mmo for 10 years. Besides a few people like me. Most people grow up and stop playing online games.
...*looks at the Everquest, Runescape, and UO players*...
A point on this would actually be that MMOs have, or had, a notion of loyalty to be seen in the playing habits of their dedicated or "stable" user base. Players that have invested enough money, time, or emotional value into the game that they are still willing to play it now just as they played it X years ago.
A good chunk of the community comes and goes, that's how the majority ultimately operates, but you do have a core set of die hard loyalists in many titles. That's not really even an MMO thing as much as it's a "cult gaming" habit, that you can see exhibited in many titles such as the Elder Scrolls series (like for morrowind people in the modding community for that game might have cycled a lot, but there is a core developer and userbase that has rather literally been playing it for almost 13 years now).
It's a bit of a dramatic level of loyalty, and certainly the average gamer is likely never to behave in that manner, but technically it still happens.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
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But when it comes to PvP, nothing is scripted. You not only have to know all your strengths and weaknesses, but also those of every other class & build, and have to be able to react on the fly to a constantly changing situation where not only will your opponent do unexpected things, but also your allies. You can have a million fights and not one of them be the same as any other.
PvE = Playing a normal game of golf. The course is laid out in front of you, and while there may be some slight variables, you can account for most things and plan accordingly. You're not going to be in the middle of your swing and have some guy run up out of nowhere and knock you on your ass.
PvP = Playing a game of golf while a whole bunch of other people are also playing that course and trying to hit you with their balls constantly, trying to steal your clubs, run you over with their carts, etc while you still try to finish the course with ninjas waiting in the trees to ambush you and rabid dogs chasing you from hole to hole.
Also over the years WOW has gotten extremely casual and less difficult. I agree that up until mid WOTLK wow had some very difficult Raiding. Vanilla days were extremely hardcore. I lol'd @ your armory comment. Fact is, most veteran WOW players are all gone. The ones that played when the game was truly difficult. Back when you were still in diapers OP lol
Who the heck even play mmo for 10 years. Besides a few people like me. Most people grow up and stop playing online games.
You never stop seeking them, you are always looking for another world to play in. Most are not worth our time, or money.
A point on this would actually be that MMOs have, or had, a notion of loyalty to be seen in the playing habits of their dedicated or "stable" user base. Players that have invested enough money, time, or emotional value into the game that they are still willing to play it now just as they played it X years ago.
A good chunk of the community comes and goes, that's how the majority ultimately operates, but you do have a core set of die hard loyalists in many titles. That's not really even an MMO thing as much as it's a "cult gaming" habit, that you can see exhibited in many titles such as the Elder Scrolls series (like for morrowind people in the modding community for that game might have cycled a lot, but there is a core developer and userbase that has rather literally been playing it for almost 13 years now).
It's a bit of a dramatic level of loyalty, and certainly the average gamer is likely never to behave in that manner, but technically it still happens.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin