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This game needs ESO's control scheme.

filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
After playing ESO I cannot bring myself back to play this game.  The controls seem too clunky and I'm having problems trying to constantly hold down the RMB and use the 10 skills available to me as well as move my character at the same time.  I haven't played this game in over a year so I tried yesterday and just didn't find any more UI customizations then when I stopped playing.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
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  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Lol, ESO is the clunky of any mmo today, it's terrible. I didn't like GW2 but to say it's clunky compared to the mess that is ESO is a joke.




  • Nicco77Nicco77 Member UncommonPosts: 145
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    Wait, these titles are "action" combat oriented, with fewer skills on your bar so you can be more "strategic" in your builds.   ;)

    I agree, one reason I didn't care for all 3 of these was the "foreign" UI/control scheme, and the action combat.


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  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    Only thing I despise from GW2 (Excluding no weapon skill customization) is no option to rotate camera while moving the mouse like an action combat game unless you mod the client.

  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited October 2015
    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/430778/does-this-game-have-a-better-control-scheme#latest

    You really needed another thread?

    That time of year or somethin?
  • josko9josko9 Member RarePosts: 577
    edited October 2015
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    I don't know about TSW but GW2, ESO and Tera are in the top 3 of the best MMO combat systems ever. That is until a new MMO generation comes with a better combat system.

    ESO is the reason why I just can't bring myself to play the badly outdated tab-targetting combat system. Don't get me wrong, tab-targetting (automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system) was great 5+ years ago, but in 2015 it has no place in this genre anymore, not when the Action Combat is superior in every possible way.

    30+ Skills on your bars when half of them or even more are duplicates with a different name is just not a good game design (WoW). Absurd CDs when CDs shouldn't even be in this genre anymore is even a worse game design (FFXIV). 
    Seriously there is not a single thing that Tab-targetting does better over the Action Combat. Action Combat is more fun, it depends more on skill (not luck), it's more fluid, more dynamic and it also feels a lot more realistic. You actually feel like hitting something, and while doing that you also dodge-roll around and block or interrupt the attacks.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906

    @josko9 I couldn't agree more on how much better it feels when you are playing the game.  Sure you cant use 400 skills like in WOW but you do have more control of the character and it has a much better feel.  Tera also did a good job with their action combat.  GW2 really needs to update.


    @Malabooga considering GW2 is probably the best mmo ever created yes I will make a thread about once a year to see if they fixed this issue.  Because I would love to come play this game again.

    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    I agree about TSW. In fact all of Funcoms games have the worse combat.
  • Nicco77Nicco77 Member UncommonPosts: 145
    edited October 2015
    Kyleran said:
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    Wait, these titles are "action" combat oriented, with fewer skills on your bar so you can be more "strategic" in your builds.   ;)

    I agree, one reason I didn't care for all 3 of these was the "foreign" UI/control scheme, and the action combat.


    ESO has few skills(less than GW2 and TSW) only because of the console port,no "strategic" reasons here,anyway none of these games is action,in TSW the crossair mode works bad with object interaction and skills work like in WOW,ESO same thing and GW2 just handle a little better the collisions.
  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    I actually enjoyed crosshair mode in TSW with shotgun.

    You embed the first two ability slots to your mouse Back/Forward buttons and you can "aim" and shoot. 

  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206
    GW2 has the classic MMO Mouse/KB handling with which millions of players are familiar,
    so I don't see how this is a omg GW2 sucks issue.
    Both Free Mouse Look and the more traditional controls are fun,intuitive and easy to use.



  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    josko9 said:
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    I don't know about TSW but GW2, ESO and Tera are in the top 3 of the best MMO combat systems ever. That is until a new MMO generation comes with a better combat system.

    ESO is the reason why I just can't bring myself to play the badly outdated tab-targetting combat system. Don't get me wrong, tab-targetting (automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system) was great 5+ years ago, but in 2015 it has no place in this genre anymore, not when the Action Combat is superior in every possible way.

    30+ Skills on your bars when half of them or even more are duplicates with a different name is just not a good game design (WoW). Absurd CDs when CDs shouldn't even be in this genre anymore is even a worse game design (FFXIV). 
    Seriously there is not a single thing that Tab-targetting does better over the Action Combat. Action Combat is more fun, it depends more on skill (not luck), it's more fluid, more dynamic and it also feels a lot more realistic. You actually feel like hitting something, and while doing that you also dodge-roll around and block or interrupt the attacks.

    Drop that badly out date crap.  You like something different that doesn't make it better except better for you.
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Rockard said:
    GW2 has the classic MMO Mouse/KB handling with which millions of players are familiar,
    so I don't see how this is a omg GW2 sucks issue.
    Both Free Mouse Look and the more traditional controls are fun,intuitive and easy to use.




    LOL calling something invented in 2001 intuitive for 2015.  The nature of GW2 is more action based then tab targeting making it impossible to have full control of your character.  Its like slow motion compared to Tera and ESO.  ESO since I don't have to hold down the RMB I can use it for a skill and likewise the LMB also the scroll up down and MMB.  I can also assign my skills to the slots where I would like them instead of taking a blanket skillset.  So with ESO's control scheme and a regular mouse I have the ability to use 21 yes TWENTYONE different abilities and add another 10 by simply swapping weapons.  So without any hesitation or problems I am able to use those skills and have complete control of my character.


    If you are still not believing then try turning dodging casting a spell at the same time in GW2.  Now try that same thing in ESO and you see a huge difference in how the character responds and controls.

    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • immodiumimmodium Member RarePosts: 2,610
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    RPG combat, especially MMORPG's are not deep. Building your character is where the complexities come.

    When engaged in combat it's pretty simplistic.

    It's the opposite to chess for example. Hard to understand, easy to master.


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  • RockardRockard Member UncommonPosts: 206
    filmoret said:
    Rockard said:
    GW2 has the classic MMO Mouse/KB handling with which millions of players are familiar,
    so I don't see how this is a omg GW2 sucks issue.
    Both Free Mouse Look and the more traditional controls are fun,intuitive and easy to use.




    LOL calling something invented in 2001 intuitive for 2015.  The nature of GW2 is more action based then tab targeting making it impossible to have full control of your character.  Its like slow motion compared to Tera and ESO.  ESO since I don't have to hold down the RMB I can use it for a skill and likewise the LMB also the scroll up down and MMB.  I can also assign my skills to the slots where I would like them instead of taking a blanket skillset.  So with ESO's control scheme and a regular mouse I have the ability to use 21 yes TWENTYONE different abilities and add another 10 by simply swapping weapons.  So without any hesitation or problems I am able to use those skills and have complete control of my character.


    If you are still not believing then try turning dodging casting a spell at the same time in GW2.  Now try that same thing in ESO and you see a huge difference in how the character responds and controls.


    I feel absolutely comfortable with both systems,and I jump from one to the other in
    a heart bit,that's all.
    Tera has a lot slower combat than GW2.
    There is nothing action based about GW2 except the animations and the dodging.
    Everything else is old school MMO combat to my eyes.
    So melee attacks are short range AoE abilities.So what.
    I've tried ESO too.
    Of the three,it has the worst combat,but that's just my opinion.
    Also,a system being intuitive has nothing to do with it's age.
    There are more players/games using/utilising the traditional set up than the mouse look,in 2015.

    As for the dodging and casting a spell.
    Is this a joke?
    Humans have thumbs,and Razer Nagas.
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  • PaRoXiTiCPaRoXiTiC Member UncommonPosts: 603
    edited October 2015
    So many GW2 PvP noobs in this thread. Probably but hurt at how bad they get rolled by people who have skill.

    Go back to your "Gear > Skill" games. We are just fine here in Tyria.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    Sorry, but GW2 combat is awful.  It's one thing to trim the fat on skills, it's an entirely other thing to stop getting anything new at level 20ish. 
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    I love the combat in GW2.  If you love the combat in ESO good for you, enjoy.  :-)  Why bash or argue?  Just have fun.

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    I love the combat in GW2.  If you love the combat in ESO good for you, enjoy.  :-)  Why bash or argue?  Just have fun.
    Making a statement like that without even reading the OP is starting an argument. 
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515
    Bloodaxes said:
    Only thing I despise from GW2 (Excluding no weapon skill customization) is no option to rotate camera while moving the mouse like an action combat game unless you mod the client.
    I can move the camera whilst moving the mouse and moving my character. I'm not sure what happened to your control scheme whilst you were playing but, you're wrong about that. Or may be you just need to elaborate more on what you mean by "no option to rotate camera while moving the mouse".

    This is not a game.

  • ZeroxinZeroxin Member UncommonPosts: 2,515
    edited October 2015

    filmoret said:
    After playing ESO I cannot bring myself back to play this game.  The controls seem too clunky and I'm having problems trying to constantly hold down the RMB and use the 10 skills available to me as well as move my character at the same time.  I haven't played this game in over a year so I tried yesterday and just didn't find any more UI customizations then when I stopped playing.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
    Let go of your RMB, your character automagically rotates to face your target as you attack if you don't hold down your RMB. You can also hold down the LMB, to control camera position without affecting where you character is facing. You can instantly turn your character around if you have "About Turn" set to a particular button press.

    Remember, your character will face the target he/she is trying to attack if it's not an AoE you're trying to place and a lot of AoEs can be placed without facing the target.

    Just learn not to hold your RMB so much. I have that problem too.

    This is not a game.

  • BloodaxesBloodaxes Member EpicPosts: 4,662
    You have to hold right click on your mouse to rotate the camera.

    In a game like GW2, where the combat is semi actiony this gets tedious after a while. The only option I found was to use a mod on the client to make the game have the camera like an action game with a crosshair mode.

    Arenanet can ban you tough, so not worth it.

  • Nicco77Nicco77 Member UncommonPosts: 145
    edited October 2015
    josko9 said:
    Nicco77 said:
    GW2,ESO,TSW have the worst combat system in the recent mmorpg history,they are clunky,shallow and repetitive.
    I don't know about TSW but GW2, ESO and Tera are in the top 3 of the best MMO combat systems ever. That is until a new MMO generation comes with a better combat system.

    ESO is the reason why I just can't bring myself to play the badly outdated tab-targetting combat system. Don't get me wrong, tab-targetting (automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system) was great 5+ years ago, but in 2015 it has no place in this genre anymore, not when the Action Combat is superior in every possible way.

    30+ Skills on your bars when half of them or even more are duplicates with a different name is just not a good game design (WoW). Absurd CDs when CDs shouldn't even be in this genre anymore is even a worse game design (FFXIV). 
    Seriously there is not a single thing that Tab-targetting does better over the Action Combat. Action Combat is more fun, it depends more on skill (not luck), it's more fluid, more dynamic and it also feels a lot more realistic. You actually feel like hitting something, and while doing that you also dodge-roll around and block or interrupt the attacks.
    In ESO if you step away from the mob/player when the attack is started you'll get hit no matter how far you go,often with a ridiculous animation like the Scorpion harpoon in Mortal Kombat.
    ESO is a TAB targeting game just modified to fit better on consoles,GW2 has no free look and crossair but if you step away from an attack you can evade it if you get out of reach of the swing of the weapon,for this reason GW2 it's even better at this because when you swing a weapon you actually hit every enemy that stands in the range,in ESO you only hit the one targeted while the weapon simply go trought the other without arming them and this is the "badly outdated tab-targeting" my friend,also "automatic dice-roll block,dodge luck system" are there to decide how and when you do damage in ESO.
  • DaezAsterDaezAster Member UncommonPosts: 788
    I use Xpadder and a xbox controller for gw2 and love it though on my macbook no Xpadder so use mouse and works fine as well. You might want to try that. Also if you have a gaming mouse its software might have a toggle option for the buttons, that would also help. 
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