But why haven't you called out CR on showing you the engine to make SC? Also if you ever do please post his response or should I say attack on you once you ask him that simple question.
Off the top of my head? Cuz the unified engine isn't done and we know that....just spit balling here.
Apparently my post aren't reasonable, but these previous few ones are ? lol
Don't worry, I made a couple of completely legitimately logical arguments, one to you, actually, which also went ignored. Try not to take offense.
I am not taking any offense i haven't put any money into Star Citizen, but when people make stupid posts, how do they expect people to take them serious in their other posts, it would be different if this was a thread for jokes.
But when people say my posts are unreasonable especially when i haven't wrote stuff that aren't far fetched or on Alex Jones conspiracy theory level then i have to laugh.
One of my post there is even an apology in it but i assume that got over looked and i do read peoples posts.
Trying to be serious about this topic ultimately garners zero response. If you implement any sort of logical argument, it will be immediately ignored. However, if you offer any sort of argument which puts you anywhere but directly balanced on the fence, you will find yourself under attack.
I generally adhere to the notion that the simplest answer is usually the right one. Whether or not that applies here, I don't know. Ultimately, though, we've got a bunch of allegations which seem overly fantastical, yet 250+ employees who seem to be working away without a peep. We have a game that isn't coming out because it's all a scam, yet they are spending all the money on developing the game that isn't being developed (salaries, office, etc). It makes more sense to release the game, since it will, ultimately, make more money in a released state than it will in it's current state. As a released game, the opportunity to create cash flow only increases. Finally, the amount of money remaining in the SC project budget is less than Chris Roberts' net worth anyway. So what's the motivation? We're talking about a high-risk, low yield opportunity. Remember that even if CR releases SC, if it isn't done right, he may get sued. These are all logical arguments, but don't mention them because they don't matter right now.
I see you used the word scam, just to let people know i have never used the word scam in any of my posts, i have made my view clear on what i think but i know others have used the word scam in their posts.
You say this project is less than Chris Roberts net worth, i asked a question last night but all i got was some ramble on what the game is going to be.
This is what i asked.
If chris roberts is as sucessful as people say, then why didn't he use his own money for the project, because the original kickstarter wasn't even asking for much ?
I did get one reasonable response and it said in the response, because there is risk and things can go wrong.
That is all i have been trying to get across to people, don't believe everything a guy tells you over the internet and it's ok to have doubt because things can go wrong, that is why i made the comparison to blizzard and project titan, but i see some people don't get it and think my posts are unreasonable.
I think that KS is just a really good marketing platform now. Also, it's a good way to ensure you have buy-in. Some people (like inXile Entertainment) have used it multiple times, despite being successful with their other games. It just gives some re-assurance that you're headed in the right direction. There's an interest.
In the case of CR, I think that the initial concept was more modest than his "best case" vision, but it's gotten to a point where I think he feels like he can make the game he wants to make. I say "cool". Go for it. Just make sure that there's something in the end. Like I said, I'd even settle for a Freelance 2 or Privateer 3. I definitely don't think it's a scam though. The whole scam or con angle just doesn't make good sense. Even if he was a criminal.
I hope people who donated do get a game i have said that before, i just think some people might be disappointment with the end result, i just wish Chris Roberts would end this which he could do but he hasn't,which is also making people like me and other more suspicious
I think it's good to have doubt my message was for the ones who don't have any doubt at all and believe everything Chris tells them, because if you are believing everything chris says then them people obviously don't have any doubt, which some have already shown in this thread.
To be honest i don't think you should be able to use kickstarter if you already have money, i think it should be for the people who really need the help.
That is what made me think if they are not willing to use their money but others maybe they didn't have !00% faith in the project.
"He has slandered my family members and business partners. He has
publically doxed me, sharing the address of my home in LA, pictures of
my wife and five year old daughter..."
What the hell... can he do that?
not much longer I would guess. They´ve already sent a cease and desist to Smartpants. He said he fed it to his dog. Well, dis gun be good.
I love it when false rumors take a life of their own. There is no facts to back up he ever did this and he has even commented he never did it. But you guys keep posting false bs.
LOL from his lawyer who could of been one of the 3 stooges. That is no fact and if you would investigate you would see all of those comments were tweets sent to DS. Plus how can anyone say it is a threat when the child's pic was put up on IMB and was public knowledge for all to see. That proves nothing and by how the letter is written if he was my lawyer I would fire him.
I just posted that I found this letter... the rest is your interpretation. I know the account @istheguy (Bandit) who posted it in Derek's tweet. We do not know who is behind that account. Could be anyone. But he is at least a fan of DS if not one of his tools or one of his alt accs.
To be honest i don't think you should be able to use kickstarter if you already have money, i think it should be for the people who really need the help.
That is what made me think if they are not willing to use their money but others maybe they didn't have !00% faith in the project.
That is a fair personal opinion to have. Sadly, though the reality is far from that. Many of the rpg materials I have now wouldn't exist without crowdfunding. Small companies being unable to afford the print runs having a way to secure costs ahead of time is brilliant and in the spirit of why ks exists.
In a situation like this I always adhere to the golden rule; who are talking facts and who are talking person. At the moment DS is talking the facts so he looks to be right. Which is a scary thing since that means what he is saying is true.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
anyone noticing how volatile a successful SC will be on the Genre, it is like the second coming of WoW.
If/when it launches it will be no less divisive than it is now, unfortunately. Some will love it regardless of what gets stripped out. Others will point at it's failure to adhere to its' promise if even a single feature is omitted or one they do not like was added.
If/when it dose not launch, it will be finger pointing and blame games all around.
anyone noticing how volatile a successful SC will be on the Genre, it is like the second coming of WoW.
If/when it launches it will be no less divisive than it is now, unfortunately. Some will love it regardless of what gets stripped out. Others will point at it's failure to adhere to its' promise if even a single feature is omitted or one they do not like was added.
If/when it dose not launch, it will be finger pointing and blame games all around.
agreed from a managing expectations POV launch no launch semi launch re launch it will remain a topic whirlpool for years
EDIT Welcome to the targeting everyone demographic, enjoy the ride
But why haven't you called out CR on showing you the engine to make SC? Also if you ever do please post his response or should I say attack on you once you ask him that simple question.
Off the top of my head? Cuz the unified engine isn't done and we know that....just spit balling here.
They are using the CryEngine. All the Modules are made in the CryEngine. There is no such thing as a unified engine.
If you suggesting that every one of these modules uses a different modified CryEngine then the Project is surely doomed. They should all run on the same code base or integration will be impossible.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
But why haven't you called out CR on showing you the engine to make SC? Also if you ever do please post his response or should I say attack on you once you ask him that simple question.
Off the top of my head? Cuz the unified engine isn't done and we know that....just spit balling here.
They are using the CryEngine. All the Modules are made in the CryEngine. There is no such thing as a unified engine.
If you suggesting that every one of these modules uses a different modified CryEngine then the Project is surely doomed. They should all run on the same code base or integration will be impossible.
This part I'm unsure of. I've never rally heard of a project that has "modules" instead of gameplay elements thats part of an engine. I just assume I'm missing something in translation
But why haven't you called out CR on showing you the engine to make SC? Also if you ever do please post his response or should I say attack on you once you ask him that simple question.
Off the top of my head? Cuz the unified engine isn't done and we know that....just spit balling here.
They are using the CryEngine. All the Modules are made in the CryEngine. There is no such thing as a unified engine.
If you suggesting that every one of these modules uses a different modified CryEngine then the Project is surely doomed. They should all run on the same code base or integration will be impossible.
I am aware they are using the CryEngine. Ty though for pointing that out. (I've actually said as much in other posts) I misspoke, I was trying to point out that the modules were not joined and did not mean to infer the engine would be different for each module.
"He has slandered my family members and business partners. He has
publically doxed me, sharing the address of my home in LA, pictures of
my wife and five year old daughter..."
What the hell... can he do that?
not much longer I would guess. They´ve already sent a cease and desist to Smartpants. He said he fed it to his dog. Well, dis gun be good.
I love it when false rumors take a life of their own. There is no facts to back up he ever did this and he has even commented he never did it. But you guys keep posting false bs.
LOL from his lawyer who could of been one of the 3 stooges. That is no fact and if you would investigate you would see all of those comments were tweets sent to DS. Plus how can anyone say it is a threat when the child's pic was put up on IMB and was public knowledge for all to see. That proves nothing and by how the letter is written if he was my lawyer I would fire him.
I just posted that I found this letter... the rest is your interpretation. I know the account @istheguy (Bandit) who posted it in Derek's tweet. We do not know who is behind that account. Could be anyone. But he is at least a fan of DS if not one of his tools or one of his alt accs.
I also "found" a very professional reply from a real lawyer to this letter you found : [Reply to Cease & Desist]
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Apparently my post aren't reasonable, but these previous few ones are ? lol
Don't worry, I made a couple of completely legitimately logical arguments, one to you, actually, which also went ignored. Try not to take offense.
I am not taking any offense i haven't put any money into Star Citizen, but when people make stupid posts, how do they expect people to take them serious in their other posts, it would be different if this was a thread for jokes.
But when people say my posts are unreasonable especially when i haven't wrote stuff that aren't far fetched or on Alex Jones conspiracy theory level then i have to laugh.
One of my post there is even an apology in it but i assume that got over looked and i do read peoples posts.
Trying to be serious about this topic ultimately garners zero response. If you implement any sort of logical argument, it will be immediately ignored. However, if you offer any sort of argument which puts you anywhere but directly balanced on the fence, you will find yourself under attack.
I generally adhere to the notion that the simplest answer is usually the right one. Whether or not that applies here, I don't know. Ultimately, though, we've got a bunch of allegations which seem overly fantastical, yet 250+ employees who seem to be working away without a peep. We have a game that isn't coming out because it's all a scam, yet they are spending all the money on developing the game that isn't being developed (salaries, office, etc). It makes more sense to release the game, since it will, ultimately, make more money in a released state than it will in it's current state. As a released game, the opportunity to create cash flow only increases. Finally, the amount of money remaining in the SC project budget is less than Chris Roberts' net worth anyway. So what's the motivation? We're talking about a high-risk, low yield opportunity. Remember that even if CR releases SC, if it isn't done right, he may get sued. These are all logical arguments, but don't mention them because they don't matter right now.
I see you used the word scam, just to let people know i have never used the word scam in any of my posts, i have made my view clear on what i think but i know others have used the word scam in their posts.
You say this project is less than Chris Roberts net worth, i asked a question last night but all i got was some ramble on what the game is going to be.
This is what i asked.
If chris roberts is as sucessful as people say, then why didn't he use his own money for the project, because the original kickstarter wasn't even asking for much ?
I did get one reasonable response and it said in the response, because there is risk and things can go wrong.
That is all i have been trying to get across to people, don't believe everything a guy tells you over the internet and it's ok to have doubt because things can go wrong, that is why i made the comparison to blizzard and project titan, but i see some people don't get it and think my posts are unreasonable.
I think that KS is just a really good marketing platform now. Also, it's a good way to ensure you have buy-in. Some people (like inXile Entertainment) have used it multiple times, despite being successful with their other games. It just gives some re-assurance that you're headed in the right direction. There's an interest.
In the case of CR, I think that the initial concept was more modest than his "best case" vision, but it's gotten to a point where I think he feels like he can make the game he wants to make. I say "cool". Go for it. Just make sure that there's something in the end. Like I said, I'd even settle for a Freelance 2 or Privateer 3. I definitely don't think it's a scam though. The whole scam or con angle just doesn't make good sense. Even if he was a criminal.
I hope people who donated do get a game i have said that before, i just think some people might be disappointment with the end result, i just wish Chris Roberts would end this which he could do but he hasn't,which is also making people like me and other more suspicious
I think it's good to have doubt my message was for the ones who don't have any doubt at all and believe everything Chris tells them, because if you are believing everything chris says then them people obviously don't have any doubt, which some have already shown in this thread.
To be honest i don't think you should be able to use kickstarter if you already have money, i think it should be for the people who really need the help.
That is what made me think if they are not willing to use their money but others maybe they didn't have !00% faith in the project.
Agreed, there's nothing wrong with questioning something. It's probably the same reason I don't buy speakers out of the back of a van because they had an overstock on a job.
I have no problem with people using KS, even if they don't REALLY need the money. I view it as a platform for innovative or niche ideas. These are things that publishers won't touch. There have been a few CRPGs now, I just backed a JRPG that looks awesmazing (Battle chasers), and other interesting conceptual games. Innovative ideas don't sell to publishers. They really don't.
CR has blown up the platform, which is really what people seem to be taking issue with. However, the whole reason it's at $90 million is because of the number of supporters they had. If other successful games on there had 1,000,000 people backing it, they would have similar amounts of money. Then, of course it's the capitalist mentality. *pfft* I have no comment on that. I'm a Canadian, so call me a filthy socialist or whatever, I'm not really a fan, though. Either way, it's a funding method that seems to be working for them now, so of course they'll keep going with it, and it will continue after game release, whatever the release is.
I also "found" a very professional reply from a real lawyer to this letter you found : [Reply to Cease & Desist]
Fair and professional response indeed. Even if I am interested in how the legal stuff will develop, KCs response leaves CR vulnerable after his public rant about DS (one of the times my right eyebrow raised and said "stop it CR.. just ignore it as you said before").
The kids running the Escapist website are fools. They should never have agreed to be Derek Smart's meatshields. Look at how Derek "Sociopath" Smart tries to distance himself from his attacks on Chris Roberts, dancing on that line, and gets other people to take the fall and do his dirty work.
The kids running the Escapist website are fools. They should never have agreed to be Derek Smart's meatshields. Look at how Derek "Sociopath" Smart tries to distance himself from his attacks on Chris Roberts, dancing on that line, and gets other people to take the fall and do his dirty work.
Time to smarten up and stop being rubes.
That applies to CR as well you know. If you know someone's trolling you, don't post crap that makes you <EDIT appear /EDIT>paranoid and borderline narcissistic that attracts people into the information loop who would otherwise ignore the whole thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Objectively the whole thing is a soap opera that could have been avoided. It's got it's own momentum now.
But why haven't you called out CR on showing you the engine to make SC? Also if you ever do please post his response or should I say attack on you once you ask him that simple question.
Off the top of my head? Cuz the unified engine isn't done and we know that....just spit balling here.
They are using the CryEngine. All the Modules are made in the CryEngine. There is no such thing as a unified engine.
If you suggesting that every one of these modules uses a different modified CryEngine then the Project is surely doomed. They should all run on the same code base or integration will be impossible.
I am aware they are using the CryEngine. Ty though for pointing that out. (I've actually said as much in other posts) I misspoke, I was trying to point out that the modules were not joined and did not mean to infer the engine would be different for each module.
I see, misunderstandings happen with written replies. I am really interested though how they are going to merge all these modules into a single game. The demos have potential. The multi crew is interesting. The issue i see is merging all of them together because i am pretty sure there is no PC that would be able to run such a game effectively. Single player probably with high end systems, multiplayer however, pretty sure it's a problem.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
I see, misunderstandings happen with written replies. I am really interested though how they are going to merge all these modules into a single game. The demos have potential. The multi crew is interesting. The issue i see is merging all of them together because i am pretty sure there is no PC that would be able to run such a game effectively. Single player probably with high end systems, multiplayer however, pretty sure it's a problem.
I think memory optimization is gonna be HUGE. Our machines aren't going to be able to tolerate memory leaks or leaving large amounts of data in memory once we leave an area etc.
The kids running the Escapist website are fools. They should never have agreed to be Derek Smart's meatshields. Look at how Derek "Sociopath" Smart tries to distance himself from his attacks on Chris Roberts, dancing on that line, and gets other people to take the fall and do his dirty work.
Time to smarten up and stop being rubes.
That applies to CR as well you know. If you know someone's trolling you, don't post crap that makes you <EDIT appear /EDIT>paranoid and borderline narcissistic that attracts people into the information loop who would otherwise ignore the whole thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Objectively the whole thing is a soap opera that could have been avoided. It's got it's own momentum now.
Chris Roberts never should have responded the way he did. Same goes for his General Counsel. They probably already regret letting their emotions override their judgement. But, it was fun to read their responses! The catharsis in Chris' response was palpable. He must have wanted to let that out for months now.
I don't think anyone is un-sympathetic(or shouldn't be) to releaving stress, however next time take a kickboxing class or go play handball with DS and aim for the head Don't damage your brand.
"He has slandered my family members and business partners. He has
publically doxed me, sharing the address of my home in LA, pictures of
my wife and five year old daughter..."
What the hell... can he do that?
not much longer I would guess. They´ve already sent a cease and desist to Smartpants. He said he fed it to his dog. Well, dis gun be good.
I love it when false rumors take a life of their own. There is no facts to back up he ever did this and he has even commented he never did it. But you guys keep posting false bs.
How is what you said any different from the topic at hand? This whole issue is passed around rumors and accusations. There's no solid proof or evidence going both ways. Find it weird you write this, considering your view in this thread. /shrug
No matter what you say The Escapist has credible witnesses that show proof CR has no game and in fact said it is impossible to make what he wants. But go on keep thinking CR is the all might game GOD!
Oh by the way he only made games that worked with people above him that knew what they were doing. Lord British comes to mind for one!
Well you can't really call them credible as we don't know who they are, but regardless of how many they have doesn't mean what they have to say is 100% true or false, no one knows. Again it's just rumors and accusations with no real proof or evidence., no different from claims made from the person you quoted.
The kids running the Escapist website are fools. They should never have agreed to be Derek Smart's meatshields. Look at how Derek "Sociopath" Smart tries to distance himself from his attacks on Chris Roberts, dancing on that line, and gets other people to take the fall and do his dirty work.
Time to smarten up and stop being rubes.
That applies to CR as well you know. If you know someone's trolling you, don't post crap that makes you <EDIT appear /EDIT>paranoid and borderline narcissistic that attracts people into the information loop who would otherwise ignore the whole thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Objectively the whole thing is a soap opera that could have been avoided. It's got it's own momentum now.
Chris Roberts never should have responded the way he did. Same goes for his General Counsel. They probably already regret letting their emotions override their judgement. But, it was fun to read their responses! The catharsis in Chris' response was palpable. He must have wanted to let that out for months now.
This!
I really can emphasize with him and how he felt the whole time when the critics (especially DS) went over the top. It was the same when CR was asked at GamesCom what he thinks of DS. First he did not want to talk about him but then he could not hold it and responded, and in my opinion that answer he gave back than was much better than his last rant on the RSI site.
It seems that it would have been wiser to just publish nothing but I can understand why he did it. Someone can and will only take so much until it distracts you so much from your work that you need to let it out. Sadly it was not effective and caused more trouble as intended.
For or me the whole drama around SC distracts from
a) the goal most backers and supporters want (BDSSE)
b) the concerns some backers and critics have and want to be addressed / at least getting an appropriate answer
And I am convinced that the concerns and the mistakes made by CR/CIG eventually would have come up without DS's virus tactics. As I said... the critics of SC do not need him to voice their concerns.
Long before DS returned to what he can do best, there already were enough magazines, online publishers etc. criticizing and asking the correct questions. I believe that many naysayers and DS supporters should be aware of this.
It is one thing to believe DS or CR. But if you have money in the game you can believe CR no problem. But why not ask for proof? Are you guys really that scared to even pose the question(s) to CR to see if he even has a engine that will create the world of SC? I know the one's that believe DS aren't scared to ask him any questions and he pretty much does answer. But even still we have answers from people that actually worked on CS that pretty much backs up DS.
I just don't get the reason for you guys with money in the game and why you won't at least ask CR to show them something, anything that shows he does have a real engine and what it can do! If he doesn't have the engine that will create CS he is a good 5 years away from even getting a pre alpha out the door. Shouldn't you at least be a little worried about this?
All this whole DS CR battle has done is create fighting between the gamer's. Demanding to see the engine really isn't asking to much guys and if it has been asked over on the CS forums what is the responses to those questions? Do you get real answers or are you attacked and are you attack from backers or CR and or people that work for CS?
I really wish these questions would be answered without attacks. But I feel that just will not happen and that is the sad part of all of this.
The kids running the Escapist website are fools. They should never have agreed to be Derek Smart's meatshields. Look at how Derek "Sociopath" Smart tries to distance himself from his attacks on Chris Roberts, dancing on that line, and gets other people to take the fall and do his dirty work.
Time to smarten up and stop being rubes.
That applies to CR as well you know. If you know someone's trolling you, don't post crap that makes you <EDIT appear /EDIT>paranoid and borderline narcissistic that attracts people into the information loop who would otherwise ignore the whole thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Objectively the whole thing is a soap opera that could have been avoided. It's got it's own momentum now.
Chris Roberts never should have responded the way he did. Same goes for his General Counsel. They probably already regret letting their emotions override their judgement. But, it was fun to read their responses! The catharsis in Chris' response was palpable. He must have wanted to let that out for months now.
Some say it was an aberration brought on by stress. I'd say it was the real Roberts showing through, without the usual PR gloss.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
It is one thing to believe DS or CR. But if you have money in the game you can believe CR no problem. But why not ask for proof? Are you guys really that scared to even pose the question(s) to CR to see if he even has a engine that will create the world of SC? I know the one's that believe DS aren't scared to ask him any questions and he pretty much does answer. But even still we have answers from people that actually worked on CS that pretty much backs up DS.
I just don't get the reason for you guys with money in the game and why you won't at least ask CR to show them something, anything that shows he does have a real engine and what it can do! If he doesn't have the engine that will create CS he is a good 5 years away from even getting a pre alpha out the door. Shouldn't you at least be a little worried about this?
All this whole DS CR battle has done is create fighting between the gamer's. Demanding to see the engine really isn't asking to much guys and if it has been asked over on the CS forums what is the responses to those questions? Do you get real answers or are you attacked and are you attack from backers or CR and or people that work for CS?
I really wish these questions would be answered without attacks. But I feel that just will not happen and that is the sad part of all of this.
Good read I only have one addendum why someone not invested either way with SC might be curious/interested about the whole thing, CF/KS itself. The manner this all plays out WILL have broader reaching effects than just SC in regards to CF as a whole, particuarely for gaming. Both sides have raised questions regarding felonies by the other along with raising media attention out side norm game channels. It's pretty un-realistic<EDIT at this point /EDIT> to not expect seeing this end up in Federal court at some point, and that will send waves regardless of outcome. And even in the unlikely(imo) event it doesn't end up before a Federal judge how this scenario goes will have a significant determination on peoples willingness to back other CF projects one way or another. It's size/scope vs CF in general demands it.
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Cuz the unified engine isn't done and we know that....just spit balling here.
I think it's good to have doubt my message was for the ones who don't have any doubt at all and believe everything Chris tells them, because if you are believing everything chris says then them people obviously don't have any doubt, which some have already shown in this thread.
To be honest i don't think you should be able to use kickstarter if you already have money, i think it should be for the people who really need the help.
That is what made me think if they are not willing to use their money but others maybe they didn't have !00% faith in the project.
Sadly, though the reality is far from that.
Many of the rpg materials I have now wouldn't exist without crowdfunding.
Small companies being unable to afford the print runs having a way to secure costs ahead of time is brilliant and in the spirit of why ks exists.
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
Life itself is a game. So why shouldn't your game be ruined? - justmemyselfandi
Some will love it regardless of what gets stripped out.
Others will point at it's failure to adhere to its' promise if even a single feature is omitted or one they do not like was added.
If/when it dose not launch, it will be finger pointing and blame games all around.
agreed from a managing expectations POV launch no launch semi launch re launch it will remain a topic whirlpool for years
EDIT Welcome to the targeting everyone demographic, enjoy the ride
If you suggesting that every one of these modules uses a different modified CryEngine then the Project is surely doomed. They should all run on the same code base or integration will be impossible.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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This part I'm unsure of. I've never rally heard of a project that has "modules" instead of gameplay elements thats part of an engine. I just assume I'm missing something in translation
Ty though for pointing that out. (I've actually said as much in other posts)
I misspoke, I was trying to point out that the modules were not joined and did not mean to infer the engine would be different for each module.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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Agreed, there's nothing wrong with questioning something. It's probably the same reason I don't buy speakers out of the back of a van because they had an overstock on a job.
I have no problem with people using KS, even if they don't REALLY need the money. I view it as a platform for innovative or niche ideas. These are things that publishers won't touch. There have been a few CRPGs now, I just backed a JRPG that looks awesmazing (Battle chasers), and other interesting conceptual games. Innovative ideas don't sell to publishers. They really don't.
CR has blown up the platform, which is really what people seem to be taking issue with. However, the whole reason it's at $90 million is because of the number of supporters they had. If other successful games on there had 1,000,000 people backing it, they would have similar amounts of money. Then, of course it's the capitalist mentality. *pfft* I have no comment on that. I'm a Canadian, so call me a filthy socialist or whatever, I'm not really a fan, though. Either way, it's a funding method that seems to be working for them now, so of course they'll keep going with it, and it will continue after game release, whatever the release is.
Crazkanuk
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Time to smarten up and stop being rubes.
That applies to CR as well you know. If you know someone's trolling you, don't post crap that makes you <EDIT appear /EDIT>paranoid and borderline narcissistic that attracts people into the information loop who would otherwise ignore the whole thing. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Objectively the whole thing is a soap opera that could have been avoided. It's got it's own momentum now.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Our machines aren't going to be able to tolerate memory leaks or leaving large amounts of data in memory once we leave an area etc.
I don't think anyone is un-sympathetic(or shouldn't be) to releaving stress, however next time take a kickboxing class or go play handball with DS and aim for the head
I really can emphasize with him and how he felt the whole time when the critics (especially DS) went over the top. It was the same when CR was asked at GamesCom what he thinks of DS. First he did not want to talk about him but then he could not hold it and responded, and in my opinion that answer he gave back than was much better than his last rant on the RSI site.
It seems that it would have been wiser to just publish nothing but I can understand why he did it. Someone can and will only take so much until it distracts you so much from your work that you need to let it out. Sadly it was not effective and caused more trouble as intended.
For or me the whole drama around SC distracts from
a) the goal most backers and supporters want (BDSSE)
b) the concerns some backers and critics have and want to be addressed / at least getting an appropriate answer
And I am convinced that the concerns and the mistakes made by CR/CIG eventually would have come up without DS's virus tactics. As I said... the critics of SC do not need him to voice their concerns.
Long before DS returned to what he can do best, there already were enough magazines, online publishers etc. criticizing and asking the correct questions. I believe that many naysayers and DS supporters should be aware of this.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Good read I only have one addendum why someone not invested either way with SC might be curious/interested about the whole thing, CF/KS itself. The manner this all plays out WILL have broader reaching effects than just SC in regards to CF as a whole, particuarely for gaming. Both sides have raised questions regarding felonies by the other along with raising media attention out side norm game channels. It's pretty un-realistic<EDIT at this point /EDIT> to not expect seeing this end up in Federal court at some point, and that will send waves regardless of outcome. And even in the unlikely(imo) event it doesn't end up before a Federal judge how this scenario goes will have a significant determination on peoples willingness to back other CF projects one way or another. It's size/scope vs CF in general demands it.