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WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
in Star Citizen
So, transparency is an issue. Will Escapist take Chris Roberts up on his offer here?

"If you guys are willing to do a proper piece then I’m happy to engage. You’re invited to visit all of our four studios, meet the developers making the game and see how we’re building one of the most ambitious PC games first hand."
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  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    Sorry, this is from Chris Roberts's response and has been ignored for some odd reason (we'll, we know why).

    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
  • Superman0XSuperman0X Member RarePosts: 2,292
    Where are the headlines and clicks in a reasonable article? This is all about click bait (and the money it brings).
  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    Superman0X said:
    Where are the headlines and clicks in a reasonable article? This is all about click bait (and the money it brings).
    Yeah, it's obvious that the Escapist article is clickbait. 
  • TalulaRoseTalulaRose Member RarePosts: 1,247
    3 out of 4 posts is a SC shill. How much of that 100mil is in your pocket?
  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    TalulaRose said:
    3 out of 4 posts is a SC shill. How much of that 100mil is in your pocket?
    That's the thing. You're so bias and sure in this whole thing that you believe that anyone that doesn't side with your opinions is either a shill or a 'blind' Star Citizen backer.

    When you're ready to be reasonable I'll respond again. Until then, I'm not responding.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Warley said:
    Sorry, this is from Chris Roberts's response and has been ignored for some odd reason (we'll, we know why).

    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
    This link was posted earlier in one of the other threads. 

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    So, yeah, it appears that Escapist accepted Chris Roberts's offer to visit the studies. So, are any of you going to acknowledge this?
  • Psychos1sPsychos1s Member UncommonPosts: 196
    How transparent can a guided tour actually be?
    The game devs aren't exactly gonna start bad mouthing a company with the boss eye balling em over the reporters shoulder are they.

    To be honest if this mess is true it's the normal guys who bought into the game I feel sorry for.
  • AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
    edited October 2015
    They can go look round the studio all they want it will still not show where all the money has gone too and how much they have left.
  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    MisterZebub said:
    Psychos1s said:
    How transparent can a guided tour actually be?
    The game devs aren't exactly gonna start bad mouthing a company with the boss eye balling em over the reporters shoulder are they.

    To be honest if this mess is true it's the normal guys who bought into the game I feel sorry for.
    Well I think the Escapist staff will arrive, find that some of those millions of dollars has gone into creating a Batman villainesque deathtrap maze for them, which they will eventually escape, and then confront Chris Robert's, unmask him Scooby Doo style and find out Chris Roberts has been Derek Smart all along.

    "I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids."
    Or, at the very least, they'll stumble into a computer that's currently turned off only find out it's made of cardboard with a note:

    "Derek Smart is on to our long con! Our campaign to make the Internet believe his games are shit is falling apart!" 

    Sorry, had to. :(
  • AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
    MisterZebub said:
    AnnaTS said:
    They can go look round the studio all they want it will still not show where all the money has gone too and how much they have left.
    If they can show a competent staff working on an actual product that will at least show where the money went, but I agree not how much they have left in the kitty.
    It will not show where the money has gone, so will everything have a price tag on it even the staff too show how much have been paid in wages and such. lol
  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508

    AnnaTS said:
    They can go look round the studio all they want it will still not show where all the money has gone too and how much they have left.
    LOL. You're such a poser. Get out of here with the Derek Smart non-sense.
  • AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Warley said:

    AnnaTS said:
    They can go look round the studio all they want it will still not show where all the money has gone too and how much they have left.
    LOL. You're such a poser. Get out of here with the Derek Smart non-sense.
      Idon't even know who derek smart is nor chris roberts i am not even into sci fi games.
  • WarleyWarley Member UncommonPosts: 508
    Psychos1s said:
    How transparent can a guided tour actually be?
    The game devs aren't exactly gonna start bad mouthing a company with the boss eye balling em over the reporters shoulder are they.

    To be honest if this mess is true it's the normal guys who bought into the game I feel sorry for.
    Let me guess? You want a complete forensic accounting of all financial data throughout Star Citizen history? 

    *facepalm* I'm done pointing out that this actually a bad idea for CIG, trouble or no trouble.
  • AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
    Warley said:
    Psychos1s said:
    How transparent can a guided tour actually be?
    The game devs aren't exactly gonna start bad mouthing a company with the boss eye balling em over the reporters shoulder are they.

    To be honest if this mess is true it's the normal guys who bought into the game I feel sorry for.
    Let me guess? You want a complete forensic accounting of all financial data throughout Star Citizen history? 

    *facepalm* I'm done pointing out that this actually a bad idea for CIG, trouble or no trouble.
    Not sure how it would be bad is all is above board.
  • Psychos1sPsychos1s Member UncommonPosts: 196
    Warley said:
    Psychos1s said:
    How transparent can a guided tour actually be?
    The game devs aren't exactly gonna start bad mouthing a company with the boss eye balling em over the reporters shoulder are they.

    To be honest if this mess is true it's the normal guys who bought into the game I feel sorry for.
    Let me guess? You want a complete forensic accounting of all financial data throughout Star Citizen history? 

    *facepalm* I'm done pointing out that this actually a bad idea for CIG, trouble or no trouble.
    Was just pointing out the fact that transparency from a guided tour is pretty much impossible.

    And as I stated "if" this is true I feel sorry for the normal none frothing guys who backed the game.
    The raging fan club deserve everything they get whichever way this thing plays out.

    It reminds me of MWO but on a massive scale the same thing happened with that, the devs promised all sorts n the game that actually released is a mess and the fans of that were exactly the same all through development, anyone that raised a concern were shot down and even now the devs surround themselves with the yes men of the community.

    To me yes men have caused more problems in game development than anyone even trolls as they just get ignored, but to constantly agree with anything a dev pumps out is just flat out bad.
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    The Escapist staff could all hand out cards to the assembled worker drones, and invite them to call, off-the-record.  That'd probably deliver some 'Transparency!'

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • vdawgvdawg Member CommonPosts: 8
    edited October 2015
    The loud fans of this game are making money off the grey market.

    That is the reason they do not care about the delays. Once the game goes live the ships are in the game to find, no longer to buy.

    As long as this game does NOT come out a good portion of this community stands to profit.
    This is why CIG did not do what every other MMO does: LOCK DOWN 3RD PARTY SALES.
    They stand to make more money as long as the game does not go live, all sides do.

    The game appears to be funded like a ponzi scheme. There is not enough money to finish what was promised. They keep making new ships to attempt to fund what was previously promised. They do not have enough to make everything they promised as of right now. Maybe they are hoping to catch up by releasing more ships, but they won't and will always be behind with cash flow.

    The chairman of this game has a proven track record of nothing good. Everything that this game is accused of he has done to his previous projects. He has been sued by Kevin Costner for BREACH OF CONTRACT - HE DID NOT MAKE THE MONEY THAT WAS PROMISED TO KEVIN AND WOULD NOT PAY HIM. Sound familiar?

    People are only trusting this guy because they are making money. Hopefully there are no Americans who aren't alerting the IRS to their new income (cough, yea right.)

    So yes. At this point I am one of those who demands to see what they have done with every last cent of their cash. I live in the USA, this company operates out of the USA, this company is walking around with their hand out asking for money, this company allows a grey market for likely the sole purpose of creating this fan base, this company needs to be looked into as it can kill crowdfunding when it fails.

    It will fail at its promises. We need to stop it before it brings down the entire model.
  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    Warley said:
    TalulaRose said:
    3 out of 4 posts is a SC shill. How much of that 100mil is in your pocket?
    That's the thing. You're so bias and sure in this whole thing
    Haha... hahahahahahahaha.... bahahahahaha.... Oh god, please stop. 
  • Charlie.CheswickCharlie.Cheswick Member UncommonPosts: 469
    Just wait until the crack team at Escapist find those plush office chairs those fat cats are sitting on while making this "game". Rumor on the street is that the chairs even have arm rests. Seriously... armrests. Probably stuffed with hundred dollar bills. Such a waste & mismanagement of funds.

    Makes me sick to my stomach knowing that nice guys like DS can't catch a break while these armchair sitters are taking coffee breaks & hamfisting their way through game development with their fancy chairs & such. Why not sit on cinder blocks? Too good for cinder blocks, aye Roberts? Fat cat. 

    What a world.
    -Chuckles
  • FomaldehydeJimFomaldehydeJim Member UncommonPosts: 673
    What is visiting an office going to achieve? Unless he has his accounts and HR records open on a desk somewhere? 
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    FomaldehydeJim said:
    What is visiting an office going to achieve? Unless he has his accounts and HR records open on a desk somewhere? 

    I think the point if they answered questions, it would raise more  questions.  At any point where they got tired of the endless questions, people could point to it as lack of transparency.  It is a childish little game.
    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/QBlog190810A.html  

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    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

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  • FomaldehydeJimFomaldehydeJim Member UncommonPosts: 673
    waynejr2 said:
    FomaldehydeJim said:
    What is visiting an office going to achieve? Unless he has his accounts and HR records open on a desk somewhere? 

    I think the point if they answered questions, it would raise more  questions.  At any point where they got tired of the endless questions, people could point to it as lack of transparency.  It is a childish little game.
    It is a meaningless statement used as deflection by CIG. Allegations are put to him and his response is that they can visit the offices? Why not send them a ham sandwich, it is about as meaningful.  Whichever side of this debate you are on, it is clearly not an effort at transparency, it is an exercise in deflection.   
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    FomaldehydeJim said:
    waynejr2 said:
    FomaldehydeJim said:
    What is visiting an office going to achieve? Unless he has his accounts and HR records open on a desk somewhere? 

    I think the point if they answered questions, it would raise more  questions.  At any point where they got tired of the endless questions, people could point to it as lack of transparency.  It is a childish little game.
    It is a meaningless statement used as deflection by CIG. Allegations are put to him and his response is that they can visit the offices? Why not send them a ham sandwich, it is about as meaningful.  Whichever side of this debate you are on, it is clearly not an effort at transparency, it is an exercise in deflection.   

    They can be transparent and yet someone will still point at something and call it a lack of transparency. 
    http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/2010/QBlog190810A.html  

    Epic Music:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1

    https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1

    Kyleran:  "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."

    John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."

    FreddyNoNose:  "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."

    LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"




  • vdawgvdawg Member CommonPosts: 8
    http://www.informationredux.com/index.php/2015/10/03/lets-take-apart-this-letter-that-chris-roberts-wrote-to-the-escapist/

    A takedown of the letter.

    Chris Roberts use nearly every propaganda technique in the book to smear anyone who might disagree with him. 

    I am seriously worried about this game.
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