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Space "Shooter" and not Space "Sim"?

CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
Anyone else think this game may be heading towards CoD in space versus an actual space sim? 

There is video of a guy sitting with his feet up on a desk beating fifteen levels of Swarm simply by moving his mouse. Using his left hand to scratch his butt.  

Apparently mouse keyboard has ridiculous aim assist for gimbaled weapons making a joystick/HOTAS setup a serious handicap. 

If Mouse/Keyboard FPS play is what this game is about and HOTAS users are at a detriment, I'll exit stage left and request a refund. 
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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794
    Never has it been sold as a "sim" nor as  "CoD in space. It has been sold a high res space universe with detailed graphics of ships and damage and whatnot.


    The whole mouse thing was from a very early release where in fact mouse was much easier to use instead of HOTAS. Since that time, that has been fixed....unless something has changed since the last time I played.

    Let's party like it is 1863!

  • vdawgvdawg Member CommonPosts: 8
    edited October 2015
    Gruug said:
    Never has it been sold as a "sim" nor as  "CoD in space. It has been sold a high res space universe with detailed graphics of ships and damage and whatnot.


    The whole mouse thing was from a very early release where in fact mouse was much easier to use instead of HOTAS. Since that time, that has been fixed....unless something has changed since the last time I played.
    The game bills itself as everything to everyone. You are wrong. 
    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game
    Ctrl+f sim

    You simply can not say it was never billed as that. It is on the About the game page.

    The worst part about this game is that people willingly tell others false information. No. We need to get the truth out there.
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    Was only watching a video about this the other day

    @Gruug The kickstarter text makes repeated reference to putting a Space SIm back on the map and the cheerleading chant is "Best Damn Space Sim Ever" which is oft-repeated by Roberts and various other guys at CIG.
  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Wow, posted a similar message on SC chat and my thread was instantly deleted. This is what I wrote to customer service:

    I've recently found out that mouse users have a significant advantage over joystick/HOTAS users through artificial means to appease the masses. And no, "we'll fix it in the future" doesn't hold much weight with me. 

    I did not pledge/sign up for this. I pledged for a space sim. not a FPS space shooter. When I've brought up the topic for discussion, my threads were instantly deleted. I will not be a part of a dictatorship game climate that you are punished for having a say.

    I request a full refund of my pledge as this game is not turning out what was originally stated during the kick-starter. 


  • vdawgvdawg Member CommonPosts: 8
    Wow, posted a similar message on SC chat and my thread was instantly deleted. This is what I wrote to customer service:

    I've recently found out that mouse users have a significant advantage over joystick/HOTAS users through artificial means to appease the masses. And no, "we'll fix it in the future" doesn't hold much weight with me. 

    I did not pledge/sign up for this. I pledged for a space sim. not a FPS space shooter. When I've brought up the topic for discussion, my threads were instantly deleted. I will not be a part of a dictatorship game climate that you are punished for having a say.

    I request a full refund of my pledge as this game is not turning out what was originally stated during the kick-starter. 


    They are actively quieting anyone questioning this games tactics. Outright attacking people at times. Pretending they don't exist by calling them all Derek Smart.

    This is what they do. They silence you. Don't let them silence you.
  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    edited October 2015
    I didn't know it was so bad they just delete anything they want for censorship. That's when you know when a game is heading south and time to jump ship.

    Wonder what my chances of a refund are. 
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    edited October 2015
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171914/katamari-damashii-controller-vs-controller

    1455 pages (or 43627 comments) on "Why controller X sucks and controller Y rulez ...."

    Go ahead ... surprise me ... post something new ....

    But HEY, ya know ... everyone is "being silenced".


    Have fun


    PS: @OP
    Let me guess, you mean that video:

    Which is a year old (5th Oct 2014) and based on a very old build and an outdated controller setup which is no longer working as shown.

  • vdawgvdawg Member CommonPosts: 8
    edited October 2015
    Erillion said:
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171914/katamari-damashii-controller-vs-controller

    1455 pages (or 43627 comments) on "Why controller X sucks and controller Y rulez ...."

    Go ahead ... surprise me ... post something new ....

    But HEY, ya know ... everyone is "being silenced".


    Have fun
    See. This is what they do. Pretend you don't even exist.

    They have deleted multiple threads from many people. Erillion. Do you trade ships for money?

    Edit: Notice, they can not even reply without attacking. Everything you question is an attack on their precious little money maker, oops I mean game.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    vdawg said:
     Erillion. Do you trade ships for money?
    Nope.

    I  have one ship - a Constellation.


    Have fun
  • vdawgvdawg Member CommonPosts: 8
    Erillion said:
    vdawg said:
     Erillion. Do you trade ships for money?
    Nope.

    I  have one ship - a Constellation.


    Have fun
    You just appear to have a vested interest in attacking people with valid questions for the love of your game?

    Sure thing, buddy.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    edited October 2015
    I am a backer of Star Citizen. I like that project and space sims in general.

    Whenever possible i post verifyable information (dare i say the word ? ...facts...).

    Or my personal opinion .. marked as such.

    I have one ship - a Constellation. Never had more than that one ship. I do not (and never did) trade SC ships for money or other ships.

    I am a subscriber and have therefore access to the "Den" forum and "Jump Point" magazine. Being a backer I have access to the official forums.

    I am not working in the gaming industry. I am not employed by CIG or any of its contractors. And never was. I am not a computer gaming journalist, vblogger or streamer. I am not being paid for anything i write here at mmorpg.com ... not with money, nor with goods (like in game ships).

    When someone posts claims and calls them "truth", I ask for proof and/or links to verify.

    Any "truth" without proof is just a rumour or an (usually unmarked) personal opinion. And is being called a rumour by me or others. Is that what you name "attacking people" ?


    Have fun
    Post edited by Erillion on
  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    edited October 2015
    Erillion said:
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171914/katamari-damashii-controller-vs-controller

    1455 pages (or 43627 comments) on "Why controller X sucks and controller Y rulez ...."

    Go ahead ... surprise me ... post something new ....

    But HEY, ya know ... everyone is "being silenced".



    Dumping everyone that talks about the single most critical aspect to the game into a single thread titled some obscure  "katamari damashii" is tantamount to being silenced or brushed off. Try and keep up. 

    Oh, and it has nothing to do with "Why controller X sucks and controller Y rulez" and everything to do with artificially putting one controller on easy mode with enhancements to simply capture a wider audience at the expense of game-play. 

    Maybe they should remove all of those HOTAS modeled in the game cockpits and replace them with mice and keyboards. 
  • HedeonHedeon Member UncommonPosts: 997
    Erillion said:
    I am a backer of Star Citizen. I like that project and space sims in general.

    Whenever possible i post verifyable information (dare i say the word ? ...facts...).

    Or my personal opinion .. marked as such.

    I have one ship - a Constellation. Never had more than that one ship. I do not (and never did) trade SC ships for money or other ships.

    I am a subscriber and have therefore access to the "Den" forum and "Jump Point" magazine. Being a backer I have access to the official forums.

    I am not working in the gaming industry. I am not employed by CIG or any of its contractors. And never was. I am not a computer gaming journalist, vblogger or streamer.

    When someone posts claims and calls them "truth", I ask for proof and/or links to verify.

    Any "truth" without proof is just a rumour or an (usually unmarked) personal opinion. And is being called a rumour by me or others. Is that what you name "attacking people" ?


    Have fun
    doubt anyone believe you are not paid for your effort.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    Hedeon said:
    doubt anyone believe you are not paid for your effort.
    *** shrugs ***


    Have fun
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    edited October 2015
    Erillion said:
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171914/katamari-damashii-controller-vs-controller
    1455 pages (or 43627 comments) on "Why controller X sucks and controller Y rulez ...."


    So 43627 responses would indicate to most people that controller/FM is quite an important issue. Yet nothing has been done in almost 18 months bar a couple of dev responses and the short one-time round table farce.
    That's called keeping silent and hoping the issue goes away.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    edited October 2015
    Erillion said:
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/171914/katamari-damashii-controller-vs-controller
    1455 pages (or 43627 comments) on "Why controller X sucks and controller Y rulez ...."


    So 43627 responses would indicate to most people that controller/FM is quite an important issue. Yet nothing has been done in almost 18 months bar a couple of dev responses and the short one-time round table farce.
    That's called keeping silent and hoping the issue goes away.
    Are you calling

    376 developer comments
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/95606/arena-commander-programming

    and

    162 developer comments
    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/95627/arena-commander-production

    "keeping silent" ?  I do not think so.

    Not to mention dozens of live twitch streams with directly answered community questions (which included controller questions). And a few community vs dev free for all battles.

    If you go through the patch notes, you will also see that the controller balancing and optimisation is one of the prime areas to be worked on. But at one time they will keep a system as the final system ... and not everyone will be pleased, no matter which system they will choose. As you cannot please 100 % of a million backers at the same time, as their demands mutually exclude each other.


    Have fun





  • AntiquatedAntiquated Member RarePosts: 1,415
    They r silencing meh! Moooommm!!!
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    Erillion said:

    Keeping silent on the controller/FM issue, not keeping silent in general Erillion... I don't know why you try to play word games so much.

    It doesn't matter if they make tweaks in the patches if the tweaks continue a design that flies like a lame three legged donkey with weeping piles.
  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Erillion said:

    Keeping silent on the controller/FM issue, not keeping silent in general Erillion... I don't know why you try to play word games so much.

    It doesn't matter if they make tweaks in the patches if the tweaks continue a design that flies like a lame three legged donkey with weeping piles.

    I love how this guy equates general comments as having something to do with the silly mouse arcade state of the game. Like being sent to the lame Katmarii thread is some cure all for our voices to be heard. More like a place to be side-lined. 

    Star Citizen: Mouse Commander

    Hilarious yet accurate state of the game:


  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    A linked video from Oktober 2014 - one year ago - is not "an accurate state of the game".

    A lot has changed since then.

    Its called testing and balancing.


    Have fun


  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Erillion said:
    A linked video from Oktober 2014 - one year ago - is not "an accurate state of the game".

    A lot has changed since then.

    Its called testing and balancing.


    Have fun



    Please, do tell what has changes since then? Is IM still in? Yes. Is 4-axis "easy mode" arcade mouse play in? Yes. The video is just as valid as it ever was.  
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    Then it will be easy for you to play the game with a mouse, FRAPS it and show us yourself beating Vanduul Swarm Wave 18 end bosses with ease. With your feet on the table. And using only one hand.

    Go ahead. I am looking forward to it.


    Have fun

  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    Erillion said:
    Then it will be easy for you to play the game with a mouse, FRAPS it and show us yourself beating Vanduul Swarm Wave 18 end bosses with ease. With your feet on the table. And using only one hand.

    Go ahead. I am looking forward to it.


    Have fun

    You'd get further than with a HOTAS, and with far less effort. That's the point. 
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,329
    You'd get further than with a HOTAS, and with far less effort. That's the point. 
    Lemme See .. Leaderboard ... Vanduul Swarm ... current Trial number ...

    https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/arena-commander/leaderboard?mode=VC

    Place 1 ... uses Joystick
    Place 2 ... uses Joystick
    Place 3 ... uses Joystick
    Place 4 ... uses Joystick
    Place 5 ... uses Joystick
    Place 6 ... uses Mouse
    etc.

    Clearly, the mouse dominates ... NOT.


    have fun

  • CallsignVegaCallsignVega Member UncommonPosts: 288
    You aren't very good at statistics are you? The very top five is just a tiny sample of all players as a whole. Not to mention that could easily be explained by the most "hardcore" players simply using a Joystick. If you were to dig deeper into all of the people that have completed wave 18, by far and large mouse is over-represented. 
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