Isn't that immaterial to the question of "How much will you pay for wardrobe sets?"
I haven't seen anything to support that gamers figure in what it costs to create/manufacture/deliver what they want when assessing value and price of virtual goods. Did you mistake the question for "How much will you sell wardrobe sets for?"
Last line.
"Ultimately it's a rather subjective point in this regard."
If I had to state a personal opinion, that would be it. Whether or not something is worth the price, be it $1 or $50+, is entirely subject to the game itself.
Oh and look at that, it's what wrote in my post you quoted.
Amazing what literacy skills can achieve.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
If all I wanted to do was give an anecdotal point that offers no real value beyond a marginal statistic. Besides which, that's not an option on the poll and adding it would mandate a logical reason for it's presence.
If I knew people on this forum hated logic this much back in 2004 I might have not bothered.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
That one sentence completely answers the question and provides all the needed information. The rest of your post was irrelevant rambling. Logic had nothing to do with it.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
For developers assets can cost anything from $10 for a bundle of 10-20 detailed assets in Unreal Engine 4 outsourced to a Chinese graphics workshop to who knows how much for a complex big spaceship in Star Citizen.
I haven't really cared what my characters look like in any mmorpg I've played since 1999. I click "random" couple of times, click accept and lose whatever little interest I had in the character's appearance. I stick gear on them and whatever it looks like is unimportant. I can honestly say I've never used Wardrobe functions in mmorpgs either. They're usually just money sinks that the game publishers use to tempt the rubes into spending money.
I'm content to spend $20 a month on an MMO. If it has no sub and wardrobe is the road to revenue for the game, the price remains the same. The trouble I've had in the past is the games with cash shops either have nothing that gets my attention or they want $50 for it.
Seems like costumes are mostly for the "social" and RP type of players. Probably most of the Agon type, or Killer type don't care that much. Imagine a game where you could bring all the different types of players in and keep them happy. Costumes, crafting, farming, housing, killing and conquering, socializing, politics. Is there every going to be a new game that can do this well? Or is cash shops and costumes the best we can hope for?
Seems like costumes are mostly for the "social" and RP type of players. Probably most of the Agon type, or Killer type don't care that much. Imagine a game where you could bring all the different types of players in and keep them happy. Costumes, crafting, farming, housing, killing and conquering, socializing, politics. Is there every going to be a new game that can do this well? Or is cash shops and costumes the best we can hope for?
Kind of a developmental limitation issue. Technology is advancing, but to develop a game world with enough breadth and depth to entertain all variety of players is still a theoretical to strive towards rather than an obtainable reality yet.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it, just that we still have a lot of progress to make.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Seems like costumes are mostly for the "social" and RP type of players. Probably most of the Agon type, or Killer type don't care that much. Imagine a game where you could bring all the different types of players in and keep them happy. Costumes, crafting, farming, housing, killing and conquering, socializing, politics. Is there every going to be a new game that can do this well? Or is cash shops and costumes the best we can hope for?
GW2 does a good job of this list. You have the ability to reskin any item you are wearing with any other item in the game. They also have costumes but I only see them available for special rewards or cash shop items and that's around 20$. But literally every item has at least 40 different skins available for very cheap ingame gold.
If all I wanted to do was give an anecdotal point that offers no real value beyond a marginal statistic. Besides which, that's not an option on the poll and adding it would mandate a logical reason for it's presence.
If I knew people on this forum hated logic this much back in 2004 I might have not bothered.
We don't hate logic, but we aren't fond of repetitive, WOT posts that really don't ever come to a point, clutters up the threads too much.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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We don't hate logic, but we aren't fond of repetitive, WOT posts that really don't ever come to a point, clutters up the threads too much.
Then complain at the one's that produce that. I might be wordy, but I respond to the topics and arguments of others and generally try to have a point. Any repetition therein is the result of the central argument posed not developing. If you want to call something out or point at something in particular rather than vague commentary, it would be considerably more beneficial.
EDIT: Like honestly the only "WOT" posts I can think of which I made was three, and it was a breakdown of the user statistics in response to a claim Nariu made to correct a remark he made about the userbase. It had a very particular point.
Not to mention this is the third person to comment at me with an entirely tangential subject in this thread. If you guys really want to bother me about this kinda nonsense you can move it to PM or something.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
I dont pay extra for game items,i want them all to be accessible in game.Simple reason is that if i am paying or supporting your game with ANY money,i do not want your team spending all that money to create more items for me to buy,i am paying for the GAME.
Dev need money for server bro
Dev no need for server always. Sometimes....we pay for game...sometimes stuff should be aquired with in game currency
The problem I have with purchased glamour/wardrobe sets is that I know exactly where that person acquired that item whenever I see it. All I can think about is "wow that person spent money in the cash-shop on that." I remember in older MMO's when you could see someones gear and think "damn that monster that drops that item is difficult to get to and difficult to kill, they must have a hell of a story about that item."
As cool as it is to have some unique glamour or silly hat on your character, you are basically wearing a huge sign on your head that says "yep I spent real life money on this and I did absolutely no work in the game to achieve this."
That just your opinion.
For me, wow he has no life grinding gear..I bet he live in his parent basement
Wow he must has a good job in real life to buy the cool gear and support the game
Sometimes he/she shouldn't have to pay. maybe your assumption is wrong (not maybe...it is)
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
You must have noticed how all of your words were met with more "huh?" than "I getcha". Jussayin
Actually Lokto seemed to understand it just fine, Vestige made a menial jab without commentary on the content itself, Kyleran made a weird reference to an entirely different thread, and you made an arbitrary taunt. If there's a hint to be made, it's that at least half of you are trolls.
And I have no clue why you linked the definition of tangential other than to reaffirm the fact that you are making a tangent by complaining about something divergent from the subject of the thread. I mean I appreciate you proving yourself wrong, but that really wasn't necessary.
EDIT: To which point I should again state, if all you intend to do is make such comments and harass, then can you at least move it to PM.
Seriously, your guy's posts take up more space complaining about my post than the post itself does. It's utter nonsense. If you think something is so appalling about it then report the post, don't read/respond to it, and move on.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
EDIT: To which point I should again state, if all you intend to do is make such comments and harass, then can you at least move it to PM.
You don't get what people post to you in public...why would I want some multi paragraph response in my inbox? My responses aren't to troll you, but maybe have you realize that you can actually be wrong. No matter how many extra and needless words you type. Just realize you can and will be wrong. Paragraphs do not make a point. Points do...
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
You don't get what people post to you in public...why would I want some multi paragraph response in my inbox? My responses aren't to troll you, but maybe have you realize that you can actually be wrong. No matter how many extra and needless words you type. Just realize you can and will be wrong. Paragraphs do not make a point. Points do...
If I'm wrong then correct me with a valid argument, not anecdote and conjecture. Evidence information, etc all helps in that endeavor.
"Paragraphs do not make a point. Points do..." is a meaningless argument for example because it misses the point of what those "paragraphs" tend to entail. Individual points with supporting evidence, illustrative examples, and analysis. Some of that can be delivered concisely, some of that has a lot of individual points to address. That is ultimately reliant on the depth of the subject being addressed.
So sure, if you want to say my first post is wrong, then by all means do explain how what I wrote is false. Otherwise you are presently ascribing pure conjecture on the subject based on an ill desire to read.
Again, you commentary remains entirely tangential to the subject of the thread, so either move to PM, make a new thread to harass me, or stop posting and move on.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
You don't get what people post to you in public...why would I want some multi paragraph response in my inbox? My responses aren't to troll you, but maybe have you realize that you can actually be wrong. No matter how many extra and needless words you type. Just realize you can and will be wrong. Paragraphs do not make a point. Points do...
If I'm wrong then correct me with a valid argument, not anecdote and conjecture. Evidence information, etc all helps in that endeavor.
"Paragraphs do not make a point. Points do..." is a meaningless argument for example because it misses the point of what those "paragraphs" tend to entail. Individual points with supporting evidence, illustrative examples, and analysis. Some of that can be delivered concisely, some of that has a lot of individual points to address. That is ultimately reliant on the depth of the subject being addressed.
So sure, if you want to say my first post is wrong, then by all means do explain how what I wrote is false. Otherwise you are presently ascribing pure conjecture on the subject based on an ill desire to read.
Again, you commentary remains entirely tangential to the subject of the thread, so either move to PM, make a new thread to harass me, or stop posting and move on.
4 paragraphs to disagree with nothing...awesome. Keep typing
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
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"Ultimately it's a rather subjective point in this regard."
If I had to state a personal opinion, that would be it. Whether or not something is worth the price, be it $1 or $50+, is entirely subject to the game itself.
Oh and look at that, it's what wrote in my post you quoted.
Amazing what literacy skills can achieve.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
If I knew people on this forum hated logic this much back in 2004 I might have not bothered.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
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Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it, just that we still have a lot of progress to make.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
EDIT: Like honestly the only "WOT" posts I can think of which I made was three, and it was a breakdown of the user statistics in response to a claim Nariu made to correct a remark he made about the userbase. It had a very particular point.
Not to mention this is the third person to comment at me with an entirely tangential subject in this thread. If you guys really want to bother me about this kinda nonsense you can move it to PM or something.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
Dev no need for server always. Sometimes....we pay for game...sometimes stuff should be aquired with in game currency
Sometimes he/she shouldn't have to pay. maybe your assumption is wrong (not maybe...it is)
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
And I have no clue why you linked the definition of tangential other than to reaffirm the fact that you are making a tangent by complaining about something divergent from the subject of the thread. I mean I appreciate you proving yourself wrong, but that really wasn't necessary.
EDIT: To which point I should again state, if all you intend to do is make such comments and harass, then can you at least move it to PM.
Seriously, your guy's posts take up more space complaining about my post than the post itself does. It's utter nonsense. If you think something is so appalling about it then report the post, don't read/respond to it, and move on.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
"Paragraphs do not make a point. Points do..." is a meaningless argument for example because it misses the point of what those "paragraphs" tend to entail. Individual points with supporting evidence, illustrative examples, and analysis. Some of that can be delivered concisely, some of that has a lot of individual points to address. That is ultimately reliant on the depth of the subject being addressed.
So sure, if you want to say my first post is wrong, then by all means do explain how what I wrote is false. Otherwise you are presently ascribing pure conjecture on the subject based on an ill desire to read.
Again, you commentary remains entirely tangential to the subject of the thread, so either move to PM, make a new thread to harass me, or stop posting and move on.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
If the topic was on any character cosmetics that would open up for a lot of subjective variables of which I might pay quite a bit more for.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
As it stands, I would pay little to nothing
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."