More out of work, Austin closing!

Brenics

Well he said it was going to happen, Austin is closing and people are losing their jobs. Yet CIG Frankfurt gets a larger office!

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snh7pg

Hope all of them find better jobs. 

Heretique

Nice try Derek Smart.

Vrika

If it's true, then I think we'll get the news from more reputable sources soon enough.

Some media (like The Escapist) will probably contact RSI and ask for confirmation if their Austion studio is closing down. RSI can't really lie to media about something like that. If it's true we'll get news from sources other than Derek Smart.

rochrist

MisterZebub said:

Brenics said:

Well he said it was going to happen, Austin is closing and people are losing their jobs. Yet CIG Frankfurt gets a larger office!

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snh7pg

Hope all of them find better jobs. 

Dude! Leave Derek Smart the hell alone already. This has nothing to do with him he's said so himself.

Though I have to wonder that if it doesn't have anything to do with him why the fuck he can't shut up about SC for five minutes. Its almost as if he feels he has something to gain by continually talking about SC. And since it seems the more he talks the more SC fans double down with the cashito, it also seems that SC has something to gain from Derek continuing to talk about SC.

Funny old world isn't it?

Nothing to do with DS? By his own words, it's ALL ABOUT HIM.

gervaise1

Anyone who watched last years Austin Studio update should - I suggest - have been impressed by how much had been done. And most was "early" stuff: game engine, graphics, missions. The operations team was growing but that part could (and might be better done) in Frankfurt. Could also be influence by the decision to scale back the (pretty big) "incentives" companies were been paid as well.

CIG Frankfurt larger office - different type of work. Probably becoming more crucial as the first stage moves towards deployment next year.

Changes had already been announced. This is part of the fall out. If the company didn't seek to produce the game as cost effectively as possible I am sure certain people would be lambasting them for not doing so.

Wizardry

Start up job,mislead those people into thinking they might have some decent employment for the typical cycle of a quality mmorpg 4-5 years,guess not.

Personally i can't blame Chris for downsizing the facilities, but then why start up that route in the first place?Oh yeah he was telling us that it made it easier to bring the work to high quality professionals than have them uproot and move across countries.IDK sounds to me like he doesn't really know what he wants or needs.

Wizardry

I never even thought of bonuses and incentives,that could play a large factor in this decision.Perhaps he promised year end bonuses and incentives,i doubt they would be monthly.Now fire them all and not have to pay those added incentive bonuses.

Herase

Here's me thinking finally someone has some evidence, nope,  more DS stuff.  *sigh*

Iselin

Herase said:

Here's me thinking finally someone has some evidence, nope,  more DS stuff.  *sigh*

Old DS stuff at that from September 24th.

Tamanous

I look exactly like my avatar when this stuff rolls in.

Brenics

Torval said:

Another vendetta thread and it's about that guy again. The OP and those other people like him always say it's not about that guy and then go on to make it about that guy.

Funny thing is if the Austin office stays open there will be melodrama posts and articles about wasting money. The OP and his ilk have gone off about that before (too many studios). If RSI closes and office to save money then the game is failing and they're in financial straits.

It just goes to show that no matter what happens some people will spin and twist the situation.

Next time I will just copy paste the news and not show where I got it. But then you would jump all over me if I don't show the author of the story. Damned if I do damned if I don't. 

Also you really think CR would tell you exactly what happened? 

Erillion

What news ? 

A month old blog post from a dubious source ? Old hat. 

The letter from CIG about reorganisation ? Was posted here on this forum many days ago. 

The competition from other gaming companies recruiting people in Austin (e.g. for SWTOR) .... Posted here weeks ago (See Ben Lesnik dev comment). 


Have fun

Robsolf

Heretique said:

Nice try Derek Smart.

I wonder...

If, God forbid, this game should fall apart and never be made, will supporters blame Derek Smart?

Either way, I hope it can be built, because I long for a game of this scope, and, I happen to have a ship I got for free from buying my new vid card.

bcbully

omg almost forgot to post on the first page!

Shodanas

Brenics said:

Well he said it was going to happen, Austin is closing and people are losing their jobs. Yet CIG Frankfurt gets a larger office!

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snh7pg

Hope all of them find better jobs. 

You're one hell of a provocateur.

You came across a 35 days old post from that idiot regarding SC, and you immediately rush here in order to continue your crusade. Next time check the dates. CR spoke in great detail about changes regarding CIG in a lengthy letter to the community more than a month ago.

Teala

LMFAO - tell me post like this don't have an agenda behind them.   More BS from DS that never happened trying to make CIG look bad.   Can mods just start locking these threads - all they are doing is giving attention to Derek Smart who has proven time and time again that he is nothing but a hurtful individual who is giving indie developers a bad reputation.   

donger56

Fanboys still in denial about scam citizen. I wonder how much longer this can drag on before people figure it out. 

Erillion

donger56 said:

Fanboys still in denial about scam citizen. I wonder how much longer this can drag on before people figure it out. 

Until about 2027, when the last story mission "disc" comes out before Star Citizen 2 is made. Which will be celebrated in landing zone 3347 in player discovered system Nr. 569. When 75 % of the game is player modded to an astonishing degree of detail.  ;-)


Have fun

JeroKane

Wizardry said:

Start up job,mislead those people into thinking they might have some decent employment for the typical cycle of a quality mmorpg 4-5 years,guess not.

Personally i can't blame Chris for downsizing the facilities, but then why start up that route in the first place?Oh yeah he was telling us that it made it easier to bring the work to high quality professionals than have them uproot and move across countries.IDK sounds to me like he doesn't really know what he wants or needs.

That's what he wanted, but it turned out to be a double edged sword and end up costing too much.

So he has to compromise and reduce locations to cut costs.

Erillion

JeroKane said:

That's what he wanted, but it turned out to be a double edged sword and end up costing too much.

So he has to compromise and reduce locations to cut costs.

Ben Lesnick answered a backer question some time ago that the recent  revival of SWTOR and the enlargement of the Bioware Austin office (including build in fitness studio etc.) has made recruiting and keeping talent in the Austin area an expensive and difficult task.

And if you compare average programmer salaries in UK, Germany and US it makes business sense to enlarge the European studios. You find experience and knowledge on both sides of the pond.


Have fun

SpottyGekko

Companies change the way they do business all the time. The world is not static, and nobody knows everything in advance. What seemed like a good plan 2 years ago may now be eclipsed by a new and far more attractive opportunity.

Depending on your agenda (and skill), you can put positive or negative spin on absolutely anything. Whichever way you spin it, there will always be a receptive audience that will instantly recognize the "truth" in your "incisive analysis". People love to have their bias confirmed ! :pleased: 

Hrimnir

Yes, 2% of a companies employee base is being laid off.  Such big news.

bartoni33

I'm honestly embarrassed for @Brenics at this point. Well that goes for anybody that feels compelled by a game to start drivel threads like this one. I honestly don't see the point. No one cares what you think about the way a company runs their business, especially a business that is all about a game. Just stop trolling please. Whiteknighting on either spectrum has never worked.

SC is not going to "fail". It will release. It will take awhile. Those that are wanting to play it are OK with that. Those that don't... we don't give a shit about. Please stop with the histrionics. It's getting silly.

Just to add: This is not only for @Brenics and this thread, it goes for all "SC is gonna fail-this is why" threads.

Muke

Brenics said:

Well he said it was going to happen, Austin is closing and people are losing their jobs. Yet CIG Frankfurt gets a larger office!

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snh7pg

Hope all of them find better jobs. 

Yes, economy is stable, noone ever dies or looks for another job, companies never reorganize.

Man the lifeboats!

Hatefull

donger56 said:

Fanboys still in denial about scam citizen. I wonder how much longer this can drag on before people figure it out. 

And here we are folks!  Thread number 9248 about CIG/CR/DS and we still have no proof of anything from either side!  But we won't allow that to slow us down! No Sir!  

Well, ok, that is not exactly true, we do have proof that the forums warrior community will take any opportunity to spout baseless BS at one another and try to sell it as fact!

In other news, CIG has hired Britney Spears to be the lead ship design artist!

bartoni33

Hatefull said:

donger56 said:

Fanboys still in denial about scam citizen. I wonder how much longer this can drag on before people figure it out. 

And here we are folks!  Thread number 9248 about CIG/CR/DS and we still have no proof of anything from either side!  But we won't allow that to slow us down! No Sir!  

Well, ok, that is not exactly true, we do have proof that the forums warrior community will take any opportunity to spout baseless BS at one another and try to sell it as fact!

In other news, CIG has hired Britney Spears to be the lead ship design artist!

Yeah the sad thing is that if the BS/DS posts were not shit out of someones bloated piehole for Trololols you wouldn't see so much whiteknighting by the other side.

I'm a backer for SC. I am really looking forwards to it. I am not blind though. I realize that CR could have done things differently in the past that might have made SC a little closer to completion. I don't like the feature creep, although they have took steps to slow that down. I don't like the Ship Buying sim mode that the game is currently stuck in. I agree it looks shady. But I also can't fault them for continuing to do it if their are folks out there with more money than sense. It will take plenty of money to see this through to a stellar completion.

My Christmas wish it that BOTH sides of the debate just shut the fuck up until something concrete comes out. Let the good folks at MMORPG.com and other gaming sites do their jobs.

/rant off