Groundbreaking!

time007

Is what I said 4 years ago when this game came out.     Now I just say "meh".

NorseGod

I just can't get past it's stupid name. So cheesy.

Reizla

time007 said:

Is what I said 4 years ago when this game came out.     Now I just say "meh".

Was about to say 'yet an other themepark', but I think that's what you mean as well ;-)

goboygo

NorseGod said:

I just can't get past it's stupid name. So cheesy.

Name me ONE thing about an Eastern game that is not way over the top and cheesy, its how they roll.  The clothing, the hair styles, the uni-sex characters, the pedo characters, the over-sized weapons, the nuclear bomb sized spell effects, the spaztic twitchy blurry combat, the absurd combat sound effects and constant yipping with every attack.

I struggle to find one thing in Eastern MMO's that appeal's to me.  If you say, "The character creation screen dude" that's like having a really cool  account creation screen to me, its a one time use process.

I respect them for the shear quantity of games they produce, its unbelievable how big a deal gaming is in say Korea its like a religion.

maydaysos

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

Anireth

So it's over the top. So what? Not like WoW or Warhammer wouldn't be over the top, or anything Marvel and DC, and those four franchises are as western as you can get.

And while the west continues to release one WoW clone after another with a MOBA thrown in for good measure, eastern MMOs at least try to do something different. The combat is fun, it has both nice graphics and aesthetics..

The rest isn't all that different from most MMOs. The russian version also was less grindy then e.g. GW2, so it's not like that, either. If you got a problem with it, don't play it, but trying to find issues to make it look bad that are either non-existent or prevalent in the genre..dunno.

Tokken

so tired of themeparks.

maydaysos

NorseGod said:

I just can't get past it's stupid name. So cheesy.

The name is Stupid? Blade and soul. simple maybe but not stupid. The name has 2 of the main attributes of mmos right there in the title. Sword/blades and soul/mana

goboygo

maydaysos said:

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

If your implying that this game is somehow different than every other Korean MMO out there I'd be amazed. The fact that the video contained samples of everything that annoys me about Eastern developed games I would tend to lean towards the I know I wont like it column.

However, I will try to keep an open mind like I am for Black Desert.

Soki123

Played it, and yes it s not that good. Decent for a sidetrack type of game, but definitely not that great, IMO of course.

maydaysos

goboygo said:

maydaysos said:

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

If your implying that this game is somehow different than every other Korean MMO out there I'd be amazed. The fact that the video contained samples of everything that annoys me about Eastern developed games I would tend to lean towards the I know I wont like it column.

However, I will try to keep an open mind like I am for Black Desert.

this game is much better than all other Korean/easter mmo's. you should try it. its great. This is good for any mmo eastern or western. the game play is fast passed, but who wants slow game play. the art style is dope AF Tae Kim is beast. Story is decent. PVP is fun and balance and lots of endgame dungeons. there are not many games that can compete even though it is getting a lil dated.

iatesand

goboygo said:

maydaysos said:

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

If your implying that this game is somehow different than every other Korean MMO out there I'd be amazed. The fact that the video contained samples of everything that annoys me about Eastern developed games I would tend to lean towards the I know I wont like it column.

However, I will try to keep an open mind like I am for Black Desert.

The game is different in some aspects, it has the normal quest line progression, single story but the combat is better, superior to any combat out there.  But the game could be awesome and it wouldn't matter, you made up your mind about the game long before you ever had a chance to play it. Dont fret, there is always other games like WoW  or Everquest. 
They have very slow combat, you can tab all day long. hit your hit keys 1234 1234 1234. 

not every game is for every person
o

time007

iatesand said:

goboygo said:

maydaysos said:

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

If your implying that this game is somehow different than every other Korean MMO out there I'd be amazed. The fact that the video contained samples of everything that annoys me about Eastern developed games I would tend to lean towards the I know I wont like it column.

However, I will try to keep an open mind like I am for Black Desert.

The game is different in some aspects, it has the normal quest line progression, single story but the combat is better, superior to any combat out there.  But the game could be awesome and it wouldn't matter, you made up your mind about the game long before you ever had a chance to play it. Dont fret, there is always other games like WoW  or Everquest. 
They have very slow combat, you can tab all day long. hit your hit keys 1234 1234 1234. 

not every game is for every person
o

wow, missed the whole point of the thread and referred us to even older games than this one. we are talking about how this game is 4 years old and no longer groundbreaking and you refer us to a 15 year old game and a 9 year old game to play.......if you are going to be sarcastic make fun of us for wanting a new current game like "go play your black desert alpha then" heheh.  

kitarad

What was the point of this thread ? It was ground breaking four years ago and that property of the game has not changed  in the time that has passed. What point were you trying to make exactly ? perhaps your one line OP was not clear enough.

Kalutika

I wouldn't say its not groundbreaking anymore, 4 years and there are still no action mmos with combat quite like it, it feels like you are actually hitting something when you start a combo on an enemy and just wail on it and the larger enemies have weight since where you would be able to throw enemies around as say a Kung fu master with with their leg sweep large enemies need two people communicating when to use their knockdown/knockback skills to make them topple.

Tell me any other mmo which has that kind of combat with real weight, Vindictus, Tera, Skyforge and (while I am still not absolutely sure since I have only watched gameplay) Black Desert don't really have that same action to that combat since it feels like you are just waving your weapon at an enemy until they fall over with the enemy not actually acting like they are being hit.

ste2000

I think what you meant was "Another flop from the East"

iatesand

time007 said:

iatesand said:

goboygo said:

maydaysos said:

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

If your implying that this game is somehow different than every other Korean MMO out there I'd be amazed. The fact that the video contained samples of everything that annoys me about Eastern developed games I would tend to lean towards the I know I wont like it column.

However, I will try to keep an open mind like I am for Black Desert.

The game is different in some aspects, it has the normal quest line progression, single story but the combat is better, superior to any combat out there.  But the game could be awesome and it wouldn't matter, you made up your mind about the game long before you ever had a chance to play it. Dont fret, there is always other games like WoW  or Everquest. 
They have very slow combat, you can tab all day long. hit your hit keys 1234 1234 1234. 

not every game is for every person
o

wow, missed the whole point of the thread and referred us to even older games than this one. we are talking about how this game is 4 years old and no longer groundbreaking and you refer us to a 15 year old game and a 9 year old game to play.......if you are going to be sarcastic make fun of us for wanting a new current game like "go play your black desert alpha then" heheh.  

I'm sorry Time007   I did respond to your "meh" comment directly. I was more poking fun at goboygo. He was on a Eastern mmo game talking about how he dislikes The clothing, the hair styles, the characters, the over-sized weapons, the spell effects, the combat, the combat sound effects. And how even though he has not played the game it is the exact same game as every other Korean MMO.

I merely pointed out that the game play is irrelevant because he has already made up his mind on the game based on the fact he isn't a fan of  Asian style mmos.  And that's fine, I instantly have a dislike for games with big shoulder pads. We all have our quirks right?

The point about EQ and Wow (and any number of other games) is that age of the game will not always affect the level of enjoyment you get out if it. If you were to go back and play the original EQ you could see some of the aspects of that game as "ground breaking" due to the fact that they are not common in theamparks of this day and age. So ground breaking is objective. 

The combat alone in this game can be seen as ground breaking. There is nothing out there close to it. It likens to a fighting game with combos and reactions. There is a complaint that so many games out there lack diversity in characters at the end game, IE all mages are the same because that's the best build to be. Where that still hold true to some degree here, two blade dancers can be played very differently based upon how they spec. ( it reminds me of the old DAoC feel )  

So long story short  or TLDR, the phrase ground breaking is objective, the age of the game is irreverent. most people gravitate to the games that has the most features they enjoy in the same package. If you are judging a game based upon the date it was released and not upon features it has, or the enjoyment you get playing it then you are missing the point. And I feel bad for you.

(insert sad face here)

time007

yeah i agree, fun, enjoyment, feelings a game is groundbreaking or great, etc, these are all subjective. 

mikuniman

goboygo said:

NorseGod said:

I just can't get past it's stupid name. So cheesy.

Name me ONE thing about an Eastern game that is not way over the top and cheesy, its how they roll.  The clothing, the hair styles, the uni-sex characters, the pedo characters, the over-sized weapons, the nuclear bomb sized spell effects, the spaztic twitchy blurry combat, the absurd combat sound effects and constant yipping with every attack.

I struggle to find one thing in Eastern MMO's that appeal's to me.  If you say, "The character creation screen dude" that's like having a really cool  account creation screen to me, its a one time use process.

I respect them for the shear quantity of games they produce, its unbelievable how big a deal gaming is in say Korea its like a religion.

How can you be open-minded when you generalize all Eastern games so specifically.  If you described Asian food as well I would suspect you would never eat it or like it unless they served hamburger.

Kyleran

mikuniman said:

goboygo said:

NorseGod said:

I just can't get past it's stupid name. So cheesy.

Name me ONE thing about an Eastern game that is not way over the top and cheesy, its how they roll.  The clothing, the hair styles, the uni-sex characters, the pedo characters, the over-sized weapons, the nuclear bomb sized spell effects, the spaztic twitchy blurry combat, the absurd combat sound effects and constant yipping with every attack.

I struggle to find one thing in Eastern MMO's that appeal's to me.  If you say, "The character creation screen dude" that's like having a really cool  account creation screen to me, its a one time use process.

I respect them for the shear quantity of games they produce, its unbelievable how big a deal gaming is in say Korea its like a religion.

How can you be open-minded when you generalize all Eastern games so specifically.  If you described Asian food as well I would suspect you would never eat it or like it unless they served hamburger.

Interesting analogy, pretty much I dislike all Asian food as well.

But I did enjoy Lineage 1/2 to a point, but then I like chicken fried rice and lo mein as well.

mikuniman

Kyleran said:

mikuniman said:

goboygo said:

NorseGod said:

I just can't get past it's stupid name. So cheesy.

Name me ONE thing about an Eastern game that is not way over the top and cheesy, its how they roll.  The clothing, the hair styles, the uni-sex characters, the pedo characters, the over-sized weapons, the nuclear bomb sized spell effects, the spaztic twitchy blurry combat, the absurd combat sound effects and constant yipping with every attack.

I struggle to find one thing in Eastern MMO's that appeal's to me.  If you say, "The character creation screen dude" that's like having a really cool  account creation screen to me, its a one time use process.

I respect them for the shear quantity of games they produce, its unbelievable how big a deal gaming is in say Korea its like a religion.

How can you be open-minded when you generalize all Eastern games so specifically.  If you described Asian food as well I would suspect you would never eat it or like it unless they served hamburger.

Interesting analogy, pretty much I dislike all Asian food as well.

But I did enjoy Lineage 1/2 to a point, but then I like chicken fried rice and lo mein as well.

I  know, and it seems to be when it's comes to mmo's. Funny when it does come to food people have no problem understanding that when they go for Chinese or Indian that they're getting food from another country. With mmo's they seem to expect wow or the na standard with just an Asian bow on it.  That said and in the spirit of keeping an open mind is to understand "our way is not the only way"  

LackingMMO

Lets be honest, outside of a few in development games, MOST western mmos are exactly the same and nothing new. Eastern mmos are actually doing something different, yeah some look wise its the same but a lot are so random it really throws different stuff at you. Age of Wushu wasn't a western mmo and that game is awesome, a bit buggy but very good and unique.

I don't know why people hate eastern games so much, look at the credits in your favorite games and see how many "easterners" are making your game you love so much.

mikuniman

So true, I just wish western mmo's would get out of the cartoon mode getting so old and tired. Steal one of those eastern artists seems like they're years ahead of us with graphics. 

time007

mikuniman said:

So true, I just wish western mmo's would get out of the cartoon mode getting so old and tired. Steal one of those eastern artists seems like they're years ahead of us with graphics. 

well, cartoony holds up better over time.  i've found age of wushu, archeage, and blade and soul to end up looking "boxy" after a few years.  Aion was definitely in that awesome ground in between where it held up well and wasn't particularly cartoony or boxy.  

goboygo

time007 said:

iatesand said:

goboygo said:

maydaysos said:

@goboygo and @time007 has either of you played the game yet?

If your implying that this game is somehow different than every other Korean MMO out there I'd be amazed. The fact that the video contained samples of everything that annoys me about Eastern developed games I would tend to lean towards the I know I wont like it column.

However, I will try to keep an open mind like I am for Black Desert.

The game is different in some aspects, it has the normal quest line progression, single story but the combat is better, superior to any combat out there.  But the game could be awesome and it wouldn't matter, you made up your mind about the game long before you ever had a chance to play it. Dont fret, there is always other games like WoW  or Everquest. 
They have very slow combat, you can tab all day long. hit your hit keys 1234 1234 1234. 

not every game is for every person
o

wow, missed the whole point of the thread and referred us to even older games than this one. we are talking about how this game is 4 years old and no longer groundbreaking and you refer us to a 15 year old game and a 9 year old game to play.......if you are going to be sarcastic make fun of us for wanting a new current game like "go play your black desert alpha then" heheh.  

Agreed, I'm not saying this game sucks, though I don't like Eastern F2P games in general. I'm just questioning the whole "Groundbreaking" thing when the video just showed me more of the same.  And I think some of you are misunderstanding my idea of action combat, fast passed combat is fun as hell but its rarely done in a way that creates anything more than an open world Mortal Combat arcade experience, which is hardly new and exciting.

time007

ste2000 said:

I think what you meant was "Another flop from the East"

i dont think this game will flop as there would have to be big expectations to begin with.  also there has to be a significant investment of cash etc i.e. AAA MMO.  So I dont think this is the next Tera or Wildstar or Warhammer or Shadowbane as its small scale here in the u.s. and f2p.  its already a success for years in the East.

I think there will be lots of players and many of these might be from other westernized countries besides the u.s.  i predicting its success level will be somewhere between Archeage and Age of Wushu levels.  Probably won't be as high as Archeage for sure though, but will probably get more attention than Age of Wushu.