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Better than Archeage?

snicolsnicol Member UncommonPosts: 55
On the surface and from what I can ascertain this game seems quite similar to archeage. I played archeage from the inception till about 6 mos after launch and like it to a degree.  Loved the thunderstruck tree farming

So can anyone tell me is this game better/worse/same??


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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Are there any MMO that aren't better than ArcheAge?
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    edited November 2015
    The similarities is in the endgame- both revolve around open world pvp and seiges.

    It looks like the midgame in Black Desert is much more complex and interesting, the combat system is a million times better, and the graphics are much better.

    I'm not sure if there's anything like thunderstruck farming, which admittedly was kind of fun.

    The main issue will be if Black Desert can avoid all the problems that doomed Archeage- like hacking, exploiting and p2w.

    From what I've read, the engine is much more secure than the one used for Archeage.  Black Desert will be B2P here, so one would expect the p2w aspect should be much less than in Archeage.

    All in all it appears Black Desert will be the vastly superior game [mod edit]
    Post edited by Vaross on
  • KilmaulKilmaul Member UncommonPosts: 121
    It'd be really tough for it to be a worse game than AA, but you never know. ;)
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    New type of model, going have to wait and see and not spend any money in yet, if that is many truthful bad marks on the game.
  • nationalcitynationalcity Member UncommonPosts: 501
    The problem is people are tired of pvp only endgame just look at the populations of said games......
  • TheJodaTheJoda Member UncommonPosts: 605
    No Trion , so yes better by default 

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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    If you live in the Southern hemisphere Archage is better, if you live in the Northern hemisphere Black Desert is better.
    ....
  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    Much better then ArcheAge.  =)
  • KayAndroidKayAndroid Member UncommonPosts: 59
    It seems more solo-friendly than Archeage, but I would have to argue with those how say it has better graphics.
    Archeage was made with the CryEngine, and looks great when played on the maximum settings, meanwhile Black Desert looks only looks okay, because the animations are terrible, and the pop-in is crazy.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    edited November 2015
    It seems more solo-friendly than Archeage, but I would have to argue with those how say it has better graphics.
    Archeage was made with the CryEngine, and looks great when played on the maximum settings, meanwhile Black Desert looks only looks okay, because the animations are terrible, and the pop-in is crazy.
    You are literally the only person I've seen that thinks Archeage has better graphics.
  • wormedwormed Member UncommonPosts: 472
    edited November 2015
    Daum has already started to move on changes voiced by the community. Trion continued to ignore everyone and pushed through their shitty p2w agenda.

    BDO will, without a doubt, be a million times better than AA.
  • time007time007 Member UncommonPosts: 1,062
    black desert looks a bit better than archeage.  archeage was a bit boxy.  the environments were not very detailed. 

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    I am honestly not sure if Black Desert is better than Arche Age.

    I am honestly taking a look at getting the game however this is what concerns me and why it likely won't feel any different than Arche Age.

    . If the game is coded better around housing areas, and farms there will be a lot less lag compared to Arche Age right now Combat will also be more fun compared to Arche Age that is one aspect of the game I would like.

    . The Graphics, and Character creation is also much better however this is my concerns about the game.

    1.) The crafting system how does it work currently if its similar to Arche Age with myhthic items, I already know Black Desert uses "Vigor" similiar to Labor points, but does  it limit them does a user gain these while offline, and are they required to farm / craft with can't I just get some over time like Arche Age with no cap?

    2.) I don't trust the game won't become pay to win, if you take a look at the game its already Pay 2 Enjoy model, runs around cosmetics, and even paying $99 doesn't get you unlimited character customization like rift.

    . I also expect that later down the road after launch they will add things to the cash shop like "Vigor Potions" and other items that do impact the game-play.

    3.) The game uses Game Guard, which is Considered a Rootkit, doesn't work, and can compromise a computer and its security, there is a reason Arche Age removed this, but I was reading online on posts that say this game uses it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NProtect_GameGuard

    Perhaps I have some of this info wrong but I read it online, and while "Black Desert" does look like a better game there are so many unanswered questions, it might honestly just be worth sticking with Arche Age.
  • snicolsnicol Member UncommonPosts: 55

    Thanks for all the well thought out answers, and the even the few that were not. I think I will definitely try it out, although I wont make the same mistake of paying in advance just to get into the beta, and some in game items that were obsolete in a few levels and everyone had them anyhow.

    I love housing in MMO's and I do not like the fact that BDO housing is instanced, but hopefully there will be tradeoffs that make it worth the time.

    Also Renaoku I will look into that root-kit item, pretty disconcerting.


    thanks

  • snicolsnicol Member UncommonPosts: 55
    Forgot to mention that I just read that they are instituting a tamer class also, which I played in UO and SWG and have yet to find a game that comes close to the tamer game play of that era. So I have some very high hopes which im sure will be crushed shortly
  • LeiloniLeiloni Member RarePosts: 1,266
    edited December 2015
    Renoaku said:
    I am honestly not sure if Black Desert is better than Arche Age.

    I am honestly taking a look at getting the game however this is what concerns me and why it likely won't feel any different than Arche Age.

    . If the game is coded better around housing areas, and farms there will be a lot less lag compared to Arche Age right now Combat will also be more fun compared to Arche Age that is one aspect of the game I would like.

    . The Graphics, and Character creation is also much better however this is my concerns about the game.

    1.) The crafting system how does it work currently if its similar to Arche Age with myhthic items, I already know Black Desert uses "Vigor" similiar to Labor points, but does  it limit them does a user gain these while offline, and are they required to farm / craft with can't I just get some over time like Arche Age with no cap?

    2.) I don't trust the game won't become pay to win, if you take a look at the game its already Pay 2 Enjoy model, runs around cosmetics, and even paying $99 doesn't get you unlimited character customization like rift.

    . I also expect that later down the road after launch they will add things to the cash shop like "Vigor Potions" and other items that do impact the game-play.

    3.) The game uses Game Guard, which is Considered a Rootkit, doesn't work, and can compromise a computer and its security, there is a reason Arche Age removed this, but I was reading online on posts that say this game uses it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NProtect_GameGuard

    Perhaps I have some of this info wrong but I read it online, and while "Black Desert" does look like a better game there are so many unanswered questions, it might honestly just be worth sticking with Arche Age.
    It does not use Gameguard it uses XIGNCODE3 in KR. Regarding crafting, you earn your gear via mob grinding to both get the gear and the stones to enchant it. It's much better than ArcheAge and vigor hasn't been an issue for the crafting I have done so far. It's done pretty well in KR.
  • MMOreaverMMOreaver Member UncommonPosts: 75
    Leiloni said:
    It does not use Gameguard it uses XIGNCODE3 in KR. Regarding crafting, you earn your gear via mob grinding to both get the gear and the stones to enchant it. It's much better than ArcheAge and vigor hasn't been an issue for the crafting I have done so far. It's done pretty well in KR.

    the problematic word is GRINDING ;(
    no thx, I pass.
  • jesteralwaysjesteralways Member RarePosts: 2,560
    edited December 2015
    wormed said:
    Daum has already started to move on changes voiced by the community. Trion continued to ignore everyone and pushed through their shitty p2w agenda.

    BDO will, without a doubt, be a million times better than AA.
    Daum is the original publisher and owner of BD in korea, they can do whatever they feel necessary to keep customers. In korea BD is f2p but in west B2P, they are making a hefty sum before they let players in, so they can lay off some items in cash shop although i am pretty much sure later they will resurface.
    While in case of AA, Trion is foreign publisher with contract to share profit, they can not just decide to change up cash shop to suit player need on a whim, not when the game is as niche as AA. Despite all the hoo-ha, AA is a pvp centric game with crap PvE, they don't have many people spending money on the game. And the way AA has been designed it was always going to be a game where players who spend a lot will have more "chances", that is about it.
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  • aRtFuLThinGaRtFuLThinG Member UncommonPosts: 1,387
    All Black Desert needs is 1 non-messy launch to be better than Archeage.

    Archeage has none. The bar is low.
  • snicolsnicol Member UncommonPosts: 55

    Ya that whole Co-publishing thing with trion was a nightmare....the entire community was crying out for change and they did the absolute minimum or less to keep the hounds at bay


    Does BDO have buddy keys for the beta or is that merely invite only. I know you can also buy the conquerors package, but Im determined not to go this route with BDO.

  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 664
    DMKano said:
    Cake vs pie.

    Which one is better?

    If you like solo and action combat - Black Desert is good for a few weeks before you get to end game and then it's PvP. 

     - prettier graphics
     - solo centric action combat 
     - solo automated crafting via instanced housing
     - developer forced pricing on in game goods
     - fixed classes
     - crap PvE

    If you like to play with an active guild where you share land and do trade runs and PvP with guild all the time, Archeage all the way.

     - open world housing
     - tab targeted combat
     - cutthroat economy 
     - better class system 
     - awesome naval combat system
     - crap PvE

    Just my 2c

    So basically better graphics

    solo action combat as opposed to solo tab target!

    same crafting just by yourself as opposed to by yourself with other afk people!

    dev forced pricing as opposed to dev cash shops!

    Static class as opposed to options of many but stuck with few classes!

    crap pve for both!

    Doesn't sound promising for BD then cause AA was fun for a time but got boring. Did you do much pvp in BD? That's more so what I want to see than the early stuff in the game. Any group/contested dungeons? how are sieges, AA had some pretty lame sieges.


  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    snicol said:
    Forgot to mention that I just read that they are instituting a tamer class also, which I played in UO and SWG and have yet to find a game that comes close to the tamer game play of that era. So I have some very high hopes which im sure will be crushed shortly
    Sounds good but all I've seen so far is someone setting on a fighting pet just like in Archage.  Hopefully there's more to it then that.

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  • snicolsnicol Member UncommonPosts: 55
    snicol said:
    Forgot to mention that I just read that they are instituting a tamer class also, which I played in UO and SWG and have yet to find a game that comes close to the tamer game play of that era. So I have some very high hopes which im sure will be crushed shortly
    Sounds good but all I've seen so far is someone setting on a fighting pet just like in Archage.  Hopefully there's more to it then that.
    Ya I agree, I am giving the benefit of the doubt, and hoping they have givin some thought to bio-engineering, or at least some sort of DNA mixes.
  • bullymaysbullymays Member UncommonPosts: 17
    It's the same thing. Linear Eastern MMO that claims sandbox.  Run down a path, do quests, run to next path, some cosmetic sandbox crap, grind, anime....If thats your thing, good game.  Archeage sandbox is non existant, I dont play ESO, but for all the hate, ESO is 100x the sandbox Archeage is...just because you can build a house and farm, has nothing to do with NPC interaction, looting random objects, stealing, pickpocketing, and the actual linear world.  To think these Eastern AAA Titles are sandbox or something new is a joke.  Doing random crap to be "busy" in a game is not sandbox or fun.
  • brihtwulfbrihtwulf Member UncommonPosts: 975
    Archeage STATED out well, and honestly the best time was during the testing phases.  After you got too many bots and hacking as well as the botched updates it turned south REALLY fast.  I love the game in concept and enjoyed quite a bit of my time there, but I don't know that I'd ever bother going back to AA.

    From what I've seen (second hand) of Black Desert, it has some similar elements, but promises B2P which should help stem a lot of those botting issues.  Visually it's stunning.  And the developers do seem to take community statements to heart.
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