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f2p MMOs grow in 2015, but not p2p MMOs (not really surprising)

nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

and I quote, "In the lead-up to the holiday season, total digital games sales hit their highest point for the year so far. With the exception of pay-to-play MMOs, all segments managed to grow their revenue."


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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    edited December 2015
    As expected. 


    MMO games market 2015
  • CecropiaCecropia Member RarePosts: 3,985
    edited December 2015

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  • arakkunearakkune Member UncommonPosts: 24
    Wow didnt expect gw 2 to be so high on the pc list because there was a calm and the xpac shouldnt have made that much money since it only had 8 days in october
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,507
    But sales of Windows 10 machines grew much faster than either P2P or F2P MMORPGs, so both classes of MMORPGs are doomed and Windows 10 is going to dominate the world.  Right?

    Some of the comparisons that you could make are complete nonsense.  In the case of this post, it depends heavily on how you categorize games as what qualifies as P2P versus F2P.  After all, there are not two business models, but hundreds or more.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited December 2015
    The fact they categorize League of Legends  and Crossfire as MMO, disqualifies anything they write.

    LoL is a MOBA, Crossfire a standard FPS, neither is an MMO.

     
  • KarahandrasKarahandras Member UncommonPosts: 1,703
    Superdata release a list of made up numbers again.

    Let the games begin!
  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,150
    So gw2 is third on pc games but doesn't qualify as an MMO, swtor is third on P2P MMO while being a F2P game. Counter-strike Global Offensive and crossfire are very similar but one is a PC game while the other one is an MMO. Destiny isn't an MMO.

    Let's establish this as the truth because Superdata said so.
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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Shaigh said:
    So gw2 is third on pc games but doesn't qualify as an MMO, swtor is third on P2P MMO while being a F2P game. Counter-strike Global Offensive and crossfire are very similar but one is a PC game while the other one is an MMO. Destiny isn't an MMO.

    Let's establish this as the truth because Superdata said so.
    I think its time people accept that the 'data' from Superdata, is probably less reliable than the data  obtained from Xfire and Raptr, as its based on guesstimates, or at least, data obtained largely from the mobile market. It makes for fun arguments but, not much else.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited December 2015
    Superdata release a list of made up numbers again.

    Let the games begin!
    But they use wordpress and have a site.......it has to be legitimate.




    Post edited by Kiyoris on
  • bone15bone15 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    Kiyoris said:
    The fact they categorize League of Legends  and Crossfire as MMO, disqualifies anything they write.

    LoL is a MOBA, Crossfire a standard FPS, neither is an MMO.

     
    come again.. MMO stands for massive multiplayer game like Lol.. and Crossfire etc.since u league there are millions of people online at the same time.. same for crossfire. the word MMO is wrongly used..
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    bone15 said:
    since u league there are millions of people online at the same time.. the word MMO is wrongly used..
    You're really not the person who should be telling others how words should be used.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Quizzical said:
    But sales of Windows 10 machines grew much faster than either P2P or F2P MMORPGs, so both classes of MMORPGs are doomed and Windows 10 is going to dominate the world.  Right?


    Windows 10 pretty much is dominating the PC world. Of course. 

    And p2p MMOs (not MMORPGs) are "more dommed" than f2p ones. At least the f2p MMOs are growing. 
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    In other news... "Apple pie sales have shown a remarkable increase in 2015 mostly due to the new varieties of apple pies available. Apple pies made out of pecans, pumpkins, bananas, key lime and cherries were the biggest contributors to the apple pie industry boom."
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  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,402
    edited December 2015
    bone15 said:
    Kiyoris said:
    The fact they categorize League of Legends  and Crossfire as MMO, disqualifies anything they write.

    LoL is a MOBA, Crossfire a standard FPS, neither is an MMO.

     
    come again.. MMO stands for massive multiplayer game like Lol.. and Crossfire etc.since u league there are millions of people online at the same time.. same for crossfire. the word MMO is wrongly used..
    Then why is call of duty and battlefield not listed on this?

    Those are technically mmo games as well arent they ? they didnt outsell tera?

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  • NephethNepheth Member RarePosts: 473
    edited December 2015
    You guys really serious? I mean.. really? Superdata lists games with mostly their payment system. P2P MMO means you have to pay monthly fee for to play that game. F2P MMO means you can play that game for free. They're listing games with box fee on their Console  and PC section. That's why you see Gw2 on PC and that's why you don't see Battlefield or CoD on P2P or F2P section. Is it really this hard to understand or are you especially ignoring the facts just because you can bash them?

    Now before you say why Swtor on the P2P list etc. You all know exactly that Swtor actually a P2P game and the F2P is basically a trial like Gw2 with its F2P system. And yes LoL IS an MMO. If you can call any multiplayer fps game with MMOFPS title you can easily say that LoL is an MMO. It is massive, it is multiplayer and yes it is online. Get over it...
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    edited December 2015
    Oh look, another cherry picked, non-comprehensive list of incorrectly categorized games pitted against another cherry picked, non-comprehensive list of incorrectly categorized games.

    I wonder who wins?

    Maybe next time we can compare apples to toilet plungers.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    GeezerGamer said:


    Maybe next time we can compare apples to toilet plungers.
    The gaming industry already do. You don't think Blizz decides not to make new MMORPGs, and turned to MOBA, shooters, and card games without doing *some* market comparisons?
  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    edited December 2015
    Is that right? tera one the top f2p mmo? and there making all this money and still gender lock lol. lazy......

    Edit Oh wait why is it under the P2P for the west? is that list little off?
  • anhtuvpanhtuvp Member CommonPosts: 2
    thank you? very much
  • anhtuvpanhtuvp Member CommonPosts: 2
    I'm lazy monkey anhtuvp
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    edited December 2015


    Maybe next time we can compare apples to toilet plungers.
    The gaming industry already do. You don't think Blizz decides not to make new MMORPGs, and turned to MOBA, shooters, and card games without doing *some* market comparisons?
    Which is why all these threads mean nothing. Why do you keep posting this crap?
    I'm fairly certain, if I cherry picked my comparisons and created category lists regardless of accuracy, I could easily present "facts" that showed the the best P2P games pitted against the worst performers in the F2P market. And create a "factual" info-graphic depicting very opposite of what you posted.
  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    edited December 2015
    Let's see....

    Tera = P2P mmo...Strike 1.
    SWTOR = P2P mmo...Strike 2.
    League of Legends = F2P mmo...Strike 3.

    Disregard, nothing to see here.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    GeezerGamer said:


    Maybe next time we can compare apples to toilet plungers.
    The gaming industry already do. You don't think Blizz decides not to make new MMORPGs, and turned to MOBA, shooters, and card games without doing *some* market comparisons?
    Which is why all these threads mean nothing. Why do you keep posting this crap?
    I'm fairly certain, if I cherry picked my comparisons and created category lists regardless of accuracy, I could easily present "facts" that showed the the best P2P games pitted against the worst performers in the F2P market. And create a "factual" info-graphic depicting very opposite of what you posted.
    Because it is interesting discussion to me. 

    You care enough to post. If you think it means nothing to you, you can simply ignore the topic. I am sure lots of topics means little to some people. You can't please everyone. 
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    nariusseldon said:
    GeezerGamer said:


    Maybe next time we can compare apples to toilet plungers.
    The gaming industry already do. You don't think Blizz decides not to make new MMORPGs, and turned to MOBA, shooters, and card games without doing *some* market comparisons?
    Which is why all these threads mean nothing. Why do you keep posting this crap?
    I'm fairly certain, if I cherry picked my comparisons and created category lists regardless of accuracy, I could easily present "facts" that showed the the best P2P games pitted against the worst performers in the F2P market. And create a "factual" info-graphic depicting very opposite of what you posted.
    Because it is interesting discussion to me. 

    You care enough to post. If you think it means nothing to you, you can simply ignore the topic. I am sure lots of topics means little to some people. You can't please everyone. 
    Santa Claus vs. The Easter Bunny in a deathmatch (Who would win?) could be an interesting discussion too.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    GeezerGamer said:
    nariusseldon said:
    GeezerGamer said:


    Maybe next time we can compare apples to toilet plungers.
    The gaming industry already do. You don't think Blizz decides not to make new MMORPGs, and turned to MOBA, shooters, and card games without doing *some* market comparisons?
    Which is why all these threads mean nothing. Why do you keep posting this crap?
    I'm fairly certain, if I cherry picked my comparisons and created category lists regardless of accuracy, I could easily present "facts" that showed the the best P2P games pitted against the worst performers in the F2P market. And create a "factual" info-graphic depicting very opposite of what you posted.
    Because it is interesting discussion to me. 

    You care enough to post. If you think it means nothing to you, you can simply ignore the topic. I am sure lots of topics means little to some people. You can't please everyone. 
    Santa Claus vs. The Easter Bunny in a deathmatch (Who would win?) could be an interesting discussion too.
    If it has anything to do with MMOs, why not start a topic on it? People who find it interesting will participate, those not, not. 
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