I have no respect for people who will never give Trion another chance or won't even try the game before adding feedback.
Then, playing and paying for how many bad or mediocre or cash shop ripoff games will it take for you?
I learned my lesson, and other have as well, after one or two timed getting "borderline" scammed, especially from pre-reelase versions.
But if you want to keep going back to see if fire is still hot, more power to you.
(And for myself, Trion is not the only one on my "not giving them any more money list", Cryptic and the no-longer SOE get the same treatment, and all have EARNED it, from what they have done.)
I've played Trove and Devilian, despite the Trion haters telling me I shouldn't. And guess what, i have no problem with the shops in those games and have found enjoyment in both.
I think you're just being petty and closed minded. But that's better than you logging in and poisoning the community of those games.
I have no idea if I'll stick around, but if I enjoy it long enough then I'll support as I've done with Marvel Heroes, Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm. And ARPGs are grindfests by nature so I don't see your point.
The game could look like solid gold and I wouldn't touch it. I don't support companies that have the gall to lie to me directly through forums, on the phone, and in person. The company is rotten and it started when Hartsman left and has not changed upon his return. I don't know what happened in the eight months he was gone, but instead of him keeping Trion in check, Trion just further changed him. He now has a very different focus than he had with Rift and EQ/EQ2.
and as for the quote "cutting off the nose to spite the face" - learn what it actually means before using it.
Choosing not to do business with a company that you feel has ripped you off is not an over-reaction, it's the appropriate reaction. You may want to be abused spouses but I prefer my relationships to be healthier than that.
and as for the quote "cutting off the nose to spite the face" - learn what it actually means before using it.
He used it correctly. It means doing something that will cause you more harm than the person you have an issue with.
In this context (and that's the point, you have to take it in context) the player isn't trusting trion and therefore will miss out on a good game playing experience (the harm) and will not really cause Trion any grief.
Obviously this is his opinion as some might not think the game experience is a good one.
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I have no respect for people who will never give Trion another chance or won't even try the game before adding feedback.
Then, playing and paying for how many bad or mediocre or cash shop ripoff games will it take for you?
I learned my lesson, and other have as well, after one or two timed getting "borderline" scammed, especially from pre-reelase versions.
But if you want to keep going back to see if fire is still hot, more power to you.
(And for myself, Trion is not the only one on my "not giving them any more money list", Cryptic and the no-longer SOE get the same treatment, and all have EARNED it, from what they have done.)
I've played Trove and Devilian, despite the Trion haters telling me I shouldn't. And guess what, i have no problem with the shops in those games and have found enjoyment in both.
I think you're just being petty and closed minded. But that's better than you logging in and poisoning the community of those games.
I have no idea if I'll stick around, but if I enjoy it long enough then I'll support as I've done with Marvel Heroes, Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm. And ARPGs are grindfests by nature so I don't see your point.
Calling us "Trion haters" is crap. The majority of people who have a distaste for Trion were personally affected by them. To be a "hater" you have to hate success someone is having, typically out of jealousy. Hate for a company because you feel it ripped you off is by no means "hating". Propping up your opinion by attempting to discredit others' opinions is lame. If you want to support this company that is your business, but don't lecture us.
Viper482 said:
Was tempted to try it, I just can't trust Trion anymore.
*pokes* That's what my mom used to call "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Give it a go! You might be pleasantly surprised!
I wrote 15 pages to my bank last time to get my money back after the bait and switch with ArcheAge. Maybe you should write and warn people about these things too as journalists!
Fool me once, you don't fool me twice.
I would say shame on you for paying money before committing to a free game. It has nothing to do with journalists. Cant blame others for your actions.
What part of "bait and switch" did you not understand? Why is it people like you do not consider gamers customers? If this were any other service or product it would be legit, yet because it is a game people defend the company.
Viper482 said:
Was tempted to try it, I just can't trust Trion anymore.
*pokes* That's what my mom used to call "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Give it a go! You might be pleasantly surprised!
I wrote 15 pages to my bank last time to get my money back after the bait and switch with ArcheAge. Maybe you should write and warn people about these things too as journalists!
Fool me once, you don't fool me twice.
I would say shame on you for paying money before committing to a free game. It has nothing to do with journalists. Cant blame others for your actions.
What part of "bait and switch" did you not understand? Why is it people like you do not consider gamers customers? If this were any other service or product it would be legit, yet because it is a game people defend the company.
rojoArcueid had a crystal ball and saw the bait and switch coming but did not have the decency to tell us.
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Here are some of those 35 that have great meaning for journalists:
Thinking independently
Exercising fair-mindedness
Exploring thoughts underlying feelings and feelings underlying thoughts
Refining generalizations and avoiding simplifications
Clarifying issues, conclusions, or beliefs
Clarifying and analysing the meanings of words and phrases
Developing criteria for evaluation; clarifying values and standards
Evaluating the credibility of sources of information
Analyzing or evaluating arguments, interpretations, beliefs or theories
Generating or assessing solutions
Reading critically
Listening critically
Examining or evaluating assumptions
Distinguishing relevant from irrelevant facts
Making plausible inferences, predictions or interpretations
As I read that list, it reminded me how important those skills are to
the role of the journalist. I also realized that the list demonstrates
the difference between serious reporting and the infotainment
twist-and-shout delivered via some cable news programs, talk radio shows
and blogs, where critical thinking is missing in action.
As leaders, how can we talk about important critical thinking skills
to our own staff members? How can we take those lofty-sounding skills
and values and turn them into our daily conversation?
I think we can do it through questions, which can be far more powerful than statements.
To that end, I offer some questions that could help encourage critical thinking in the newsroom:
What assumptions do you have about the issues or individuals in your story?
Is there another plausible explanation we should look at in this case?
Have you worked as hard to disprove as to prove your hypothesis?
What’s missing here? Are we asking the right questions?
Are we really challenging ourselves? Are we falling in love with our story as we see it now?
Why is this information relevant to the story?
Are we assuming that correlation is causation?
How closely did we listen to all voices?
Are we letting fear drive our thinking?
Just because it has always been done this way before, is that a reason not to question?
Just because we had a difficult time getting this information, does it make it particularly important or interesting?
Do we have the expertise in this subject to form an appropriate conclusion? Is there more we need to learn?
Are we oversimplifying or overgeneralizing?
How’s our logic? Are we falling prey to ad hominem arguments
(personal attacks) or false dichotomies (mistaken belief that there are
only these two options) instead of examining the issue more completely?
Is this really fair?
As newsroom leaders pray that their staffs develop better critical
thinking skills, they should be prepared to fully embrace another aspect
of it: independence and courage. That means your critical thinkers will
be more likely to question authority.
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We are always in a race what our intelligence can do for us and what our intelligence does to us.
Well that was quick. Played for about 2 hours then uninstalled. There are MUCH better ARPGs out there than this, such as D3, PoE, Marvel Heroes and Albion Online. Don't waste your time or bandwidth.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
arunasme said:
I dont see how its worth keeping this game alive if the original devs have closed doors, so who will provide them with updates?
Ehm Bluehole is very much alive, the only thing that happend is a publisher switching their priorities so Bluehole cancelled their contract witht them.
Bluehole works on this game and TERA.
You don't really believe that nonsense? The game tanked in Korea THAT is why the publisher dumped it.
This is one of those games that might be fun initially to play, but long term play just dies on the vine. There are far better games out there to occupy my time and I don't have to worry about Trion draining the wallet doing it.
I'd say it's actually pretty principled (you know, a good thing) if you stop supporting and giving money to a company that has treated you and others absolutely terribly, and in many countries illegally, even if it means missing out on a potentially good game (which this certainly is not).
Well that was quick. Played for about 2 hours then uninstalled. There are MUCH better ARPGs out there than this, such as D3, PoE, Marvel Heroes and Albion Online. Don't waste your time or bandwidth.
Marvel Hereos is top my list if it was not me downloading and playing marvel hereos then letting people tell me don't downloading it's a waste I would never knew that I would like the game then over D3 or PoE. People want to try they can as I think with trion pass I'm sure not many people want to sink there time in it.
Hahaha, people lost hundreds of items and are told to name them in a support ticket? Some players who did that got an ingame mail with 2 items ?? Looks like alot of players got trioned AGAIN. Stay away from this horrible company!
PS: Of course stuff like this is again not making it into the news on this page. Doesn't fit into the Trion hype scheme.
And they compensated folks for it.... amazing isn't it?
No.. they atempted to compensate (or are attempting) its still quite a mess.. , lotsa folks poed at there meager attempts , .. But thats ok serves them right ..
I see the Trion-Autodefense-System of this forum is in full force already again.
/tinfoil_on
I'd say 5 posts per page, incl. even several after another in which you try to proof that everyone speaking out against Trion is wrong has nothing to do with "/tinfoil_on", but is someone's sad reality here.
I have no respect for people who will never give Trion another chance or won't even try the game before adding feedback.
Then, playing and paying for how many bad or mediocre or cash shop ripoff games will it take for you?
I learned my lesson, and other have as well, after one or two timed getting "borderline" scammed, especially from pre-reelase versions.
But if you want to keep going back to see if fire is still hot, more power to you.
(And for myself, Trion is not the only one on my "not giving them any more money list", Cryptic and the no-longer SOE get the same treatment, and all have EARNED it, from what they have done.)
I've played Trove and Devilian, despite the Trion haters telling me I shouldn't. And guess what, i have no problem with the shops in those games and have found enjoyment in both.
I think you're just being petty and closed minded. But that's better than you logging in and poisoning the community of those games.
I have no idea if I'll stick around, but if I enjoy it long enough then I'll support as I've done with Marvel Heroes, Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm. And ARPGs are grindfests by nature so I don't see your point.
So people that paid $150 for Devilian early access that was then opened up just a few weeks later for a much cheaper price didn't get shafted?
So people that paid $150 for access to AA didn't get totally shafted when they put in patch 1.2 or whatever it is, that took out item decay and put in labor points?
And there are plenty of other such examples of "Trion being Trion".
What you call "closed minded" I call learning my lesson. By extension, that makes being "open-minded" equal being a sucker as far as Trion goes.
(And what do you know, people JUST lost a couple days of items in Devilian and Trion's response has been the typical inadequate, ham-fisted, and unpopular we have come to expect.)
I see the Trion-Autodefense-System of this forum is in full force already again.
/tinfoil_on
I'd say 5 posts per page, incl. even several after another in which you try to proof that everyone speaking out against Trion is wrong has nothing to do with "/tinfoil_on", but is someone's sad reality here.
For sad reality might want to check your post history
People speaking against Trion are not wrong, they just have wrong information in many cases
There's a difference.
Yea i hate it when people post wrong information .. Like in this thread..
guy says that only 6 articles since June have been posted here.. but when you check the news its 33
or when someone here says that the players that lost all there progress and items in Devilian on 12/13 update ... That quote "and they compensated folks for it " When the truth is they have done very little .. When not one player from Seadrift(check the forums and Steam forums ) is claiming to have been compensated adiquitly yet , and most not at all , and havent heard back from Trion at all in 24 hours ..
At 1pm today the thread of players that were affected by this on Seadrift is 150 pages long , and Trion locked it ..
yes .. thats what i call compensation
Dont let yer perceived truth get in the way of the facts
I see the Trion-Autodefense-System of this forum is in full force already again.
/tinfoil_on
I'd say 5 posts per page, incl. even several after another in which you try to proof that everyone speaking out against Trion is wrong has nothing to do with "/tinfoil_on", but is someone's sad reality here.
For sad reality might want to check your post history
People speaking against Trion are not wrong, they just have wrong information in many cases
There's a difference.
Yea i hate it when people post wrong information .. Like in this thread..
guy says that only 6 articles since June have been posted here.. but when you check the news its 33
or when someone here says that the players that lost all there progress and items in Devilian on 12/13 update ... That quote "and they compensated folks for it " When the truth is they have done very little .. When not one player from Seadrift(check the forums and Steam forums ) is claiming to have been compensated adiquitly yet , and most not at all , and havent heard back from Trion at all in 24 hours ..
Dont let yer perceived truth get in the way of the facts
People who got compensated don't post on the forums... fact
People do post on forums when problems are fixed , i have seen countless responses over the years , from folks .. Problem Solved :Thx Dev name here .. so another of you facts is myth
What % of people post of forums and steam? Hmm so out of those who posted which is like what 20% none of them got compensated? so 100% of 20% never got compensated.... heh
Pullin numbers out of the proverbial but to make an arguemenet .. Doesnt work .. fact complaint is at 150 pages at 1pm today when Trion shut it down .. Thousands without compemsation .. fact
6 featured articles - fact since june, I don't count little paragraph blurbs as articles
I am sure the wrtiers of these articles feel differently ..
Read what burnt vent said about labor points above
"So people that paid $150 for access to AA didn't get totally shafted when they put in patch 1.2 or whatever it is, that took out item decay and put in labor points?" - pure made up stuff, Labor points never got put in by Trion, they existed since Korean Alpha before Trion even knew what ArcheAge was.
Your erhmmm facts are no better than his ......................have a good day sir
Anyway, back to the game. I'm definitely feeling a little bit bored with the leveling (only at 34). Every zone is linear with a dungeon or two. Each NPC says the same thing over and over again. This game could definitely use a lot of polish, but I've seen this type of design in many Asian MMOs. Maybe they're fine with it. The inventory limitations are really off putting, especially considering they have all types of crafting mats and pots to fill it up with as you play.
I won't really judge the game until I see what the end game is like. But I have a feeling it won't be any more rewarding than D3.
I just noticed that the only way to get more inventory space as a login reward is to pay $15 a month. I can't say that's exactly a cool thing. Being so stingy that even one character doesn't have enough inv space is pretty crummy imo. I never felt that way in marvel heroes or poe. That alone could be a reason for me to quit.
I just noticed that the only way to get more inventory space as a login reward is to pay $15 a month. I can't say that's exactly a cool thing. Being so stingy that even one character doesn't have enough inv space is pretty crummy imo. I never felt that way in marvel heroes or poe. That alone could be a reason for me to quit.
Everything should be free! You can buy inventory slot for fairly cheap. It's a f2p game without some limitations cheapskates like yourself would take advantage.
Inventory limits really put me off games. The reason Neverwinter online really bugged me was the ridiculous way they would fill your inventory each day with so much stuff and I got really afraid of which items I could throw away I ended up leaving the game I actually enjoyed.
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I think you're just being petty and closed minded. But that's better than you logging in and poisoning the community of those games.
I have no idea if I'll stick around, but if I enjoy it long enough then I'll support as I've done with Marvel Heroes, Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm. And ARPGs are grindfests by nature so I don't see your point.
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and as for the quote "cutting off the nose to spite the face" - learn what it actually means before using it.
Choosing not to do business with a company that you feel has ripped you off is not an over-reaction, it's the appropriate reaction. You may want to be abused spouses but I prefer my relationships to be healthier than that.
In this context (and that's the point, you have to take it in context) the player isn't trusting trion and therefore will miss out on a good game playing experience (the harm) and will not really cause Trion any grief.
Obviously this is his opinion as some might not think the game experience is a good one.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
rojoArcueid had a crystal ball and saw the bait and switch coming but did not have the decency to tell us.
\Sarcasm
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Here are some of those 35 that have great meaning for journalists:
As I read that list, it reminded me how important those skills are to the role of the journalist. I also realized that the list demonstrates the difference between serious reporting and the infotainment twist-and-shout delivered via some cable news programs, talk radio shows and blogs, where critical thinking is missing in action.
As leaders, how can we talk about important critical thinking skills to our own staff members? How can we take those lofty-sounding skills and values and turn them into our daily conversation?
I think we can do it through questions, which can be far more powerful than statements.
To that end, I offer some questions that could help encourage critical thinking in the newsroom:As newsroom leaders pray that their staffs develop better critical thinking skills, they should be prepared to fully embrace another aspect of it: independence and courage. That means your critical thinkers will be more likely to question authority.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I know .. i know .. its not there fault again .. lol
you cant make this stuff up ...
incompitent greedy hos
http://forums.deviliangame.com/showthread.php?6694-Seadrift-Server-Loss-of-Progress-and-Items
Looks like alot of players got trioned AGAIN.
Stay away from this horrible company!
PS: Of course stuff like this is again not making it into the news on this page. Doesn't fit into the Trion hype scheme.
So people that paid $150 for access to AA didn't get totally shafted when they put in patch 1.2 or whatever it is, that took out item decay and put in labor points?
And there are plenty of other such examples of "Trion being Trion".
What you call "closed minded" I call learning my lesson. By extension, that makes being "open-minded" equal being a sucker as far as Trion goes.
(And what do you know, people JUST lost a couple days of items in Devilian and Trion's response has been the typical inadequate, ham-fisted, and unpopular we have come to expect.)
guy says that only 6 articles since June have been posted here.. but when you check the news its 33
or when someone here says that the players that lost all there progress and items in Devilian on 12/13 update ... That quote "and they compensated folks for it "
When the truth is they have done very little .. When not one player from Seadrift(check the forums and Steam forums ) is claiming to have been compensated adiquitly yet , and most not at all , and havent heard back from Trion at all in 24 hours ..
At 1pm today the thread of players that were affected by this on Seadrift is 150 pages long , and Trion locked it ..
yes .. thats what i call compensation
Dont let yer perceived truth get in the way of the facts
I won't really judge the game until I see what the end game is like. But I have a feeling it won't be any more rewarding than D3.
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