Also, you are assuming that a bunch of bots/fake users are getting keys but I don't see any proof of that - I just spent about 10 minutes browsing through the list of users that got the first 1250 keys and nothing stood out like past bot/cheat activity we have seen - no large groups of similar IPs, no masses of usernames with no thought. etc. Once we upgraded to the Google captcha system we saw this kind of activity fall off - because our old captcha was far from bot-proof.
Just because you see keys on eBay does not mean that they came from here - many other websites are giving out beta keys for Black Desert Online today.
No system will be 100% locked down to stop someone from getting multiple keys if they are determined enough but we do feel we have done everything we can for an open key giveaway.
When we kicked this event off today we instantly were showing 1000+ people online in our real time stats and 80% of this traffic was coming from Facebook and Twitter - so I do think that most of the 1250 keys went to legit people.
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Alomar said:
Did you not learn from the Alpha BDO keys, and yet you still made these first come first serve? If 1/20th of the keys got to your actual member's I'd be surprised.
Very shameful display.
We don't have another way to distribute 2500 keys. We used to have the method of users posting in a thread to get a key but since we migrated the forums off the main site to a hosted solution we cannot tie them together anymore.
Holy snots! 2500 keys were gone that fast! How about send some keys via pm. Like to the folks in this thread:)
Also, you are assuming that a bunch of bots/fake users are getting keys but I don't see any proof of that - I just spent about 10 minutes browsing through the list of users that got the first 1250 keys and nothing stood out like past bot/cheat activity we have seen - no large groups of similar IPs, no masses of usernames with no thought. etc. Once we upgraded to the Google captcha system we saw this kind of activity fall off - because our old captcha was far from bot-proof.
Just because you see keys on eBay does not mean that they came from here - many other websites are giving out beta keys for Black Desert Online today.
No system will be 100% locked down to stop someone from getting multiple keys if they are determined enough but we do feel we have done everything we can for an open key giveaway.
Alomar said:
Did you not learn from the Alpha BDO keys, and yet you still made these first come first serve? If 1/20th of the keys got to your actual member's I'd be surprised.
Very shameful display.
We don't have another way to distribute 2500 keys. We used to have the method of users posting in a thread to get a key but since we migrated the forums off the main site to a hosted solution we cannot tie them together anymore.
Holy snots! 2500 keys were gone that fast! How about send some keys via pm. Like to the folks in this thread:)
No we still have 1250 left to go. Keep an eye on the site in about 45 minutes ;-)
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Also, you are assuming that a bunch of bots/fake users are getting keys but I don't see any proof of that - I just spent about 10 minutes browsing through the list of users that got the first 1250 keys and nothing stood out like past bot/cheat activity we have seen - no large groups of similar IPs, no masses of usernames with no thought. etc. Once we upgraded to the Google captcha system we saw this kind of activity fall off - because our old captcha was far from bot-proof.
Just because you see keys on eBay does not mean that they came from here - many other websites are giving out beta keys for Black Desert Online today.
No system will be 100% locked down to stop someone from getting multiple keys if they are determined enough but we do feel we have done everything we can for an open key giveaway.
When will the next batch be released?
Guy with 1st post... I... am... not... suspicious! Nope, not at all!
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Also, you are assuming that a bunch of bots/fake users are getting keys but I don't see any proof of that - I just spent about 10 minutes browsing through the list of users that got the first 1250 keys and nothing stood out like past bot/cheat activity we have seen - no large groups of similar IPs, no masses of usernames with no thought. etc. Once we upgraded to the Google captcha system we saw this kind of activity fall off - because our old captcha was far from bot-proof.
Just because you see keys on eBay does not mean that they came from here - many other websites are giving out beta keys for Black Desert Online today.
No system will be 100% locked down to stop someone from getting multiple keys if they are determined enough but we do feel we have done everything we can for an open key giveaway.
When will the next batch be released?
Guy with 1st post... I... am... not... suspicious! Nope, not at all!
Long time lurker. I feel like I'd get into a pointless heated discussion if I were to actually post on most topics here, so yeah. EDIT: If you don't believe me look at the date I joined.
Alomar said:
Did you not learn from the Alpha BDO keys, and yet you still made these first come first serve? If 1/20th of the keys got to your actual member's I'd be surprised.
Very shameful display.
We don't have another way to distribute 2500 keys. We used to have the method of users posting in a thread to get a key but since we migrated the forums off the main site to a hosted solution we cannot tie them together anymore.
I agree with others on this MMORPG.com - this is on YOU.
Your "SYSTEM" is garbage. It is necroing old (expired) competitions. It is necroing old reviews and articles. It's making the site a joke.
Alomar said:
Did you not learn from the Alpha BDO keys, and yet you still made these first come first serve? If 1/20th of the keys got to your actual member's I'd be surprised.
Very shameful display.
We don't have another way to distribute 2500 keys. We used to have the method of users posting in a thread to get a key but since we migrated the forums off the main site to a hosted solution we cannot tie them together anymore.
Is that really an official answer, it sounds like we're talking to a couple of teenagers managing their first site with a budget of $50 a month. That's nothing more than an excuse, if no one at mmorpg.com has an answer to solve this issue contact a site who does or hire a contractor who can teach you. This isn't rocket science here.
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So what is your solution to distribute thousands of keys and guarantee that no one is able to sell their key on ebay? We limit by IP, we use Google's captcha and we constantly purge suspicious accounts. The Internet is more or less anonymous, especially to those that know how to manipulate things.
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Personally I would tie it in to site participation. People opt in.. they get 1 ticket per post, or 1 ticket per year on the site.. something like that. Then after X time the tickets are drawn and keys handed out.
Does it give long time or active users an edge? Sure, but those are also the folks that are helping to create the content that draws folks here, it also would still be possible for a day one person to win a key, just less likely.
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Stop letting IP's x3 of the same for starters, sure you may quickly use a vpn or whatever but that takes time to click to get a good one for most people these days, and you only need one IP for one key because the release of the IP to give to another person does not happen often enough to warrant what you said earlier about it.
one key one IP is fair thats it... At least you could say you did that part to limit the problems then.
Drawing a conclusion from Admin's statement that about 80% of the activity came from Facebook and Twitter. If you want a better chance at getting these giveaways then you need to monitor Facebook or Twitter.
For me it's not worth it and I accept the results of my choice to not monitor Facebook and Twitter.
Thank you for these opportunities MMORPG.com.
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Really guys? It's not like you pay to be members here and the content you add is voluntary and not all that great to begin with. Give administration a break. We missed our shots and now we can drown in our tears and rant and bitch about it all we like... but it's not going to really change anything. To all of you that snagged one. Congrats. To those of us who didn't. Better luck next time.
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Stop letting IP's x3 of the same for starters, sure you may quickly use a vpn or whatever but that takes time to click to get a good one for most people these days, and you only need one IP for one key because the release of the IP to give to another person does not happen often enough to warrant what you said earlier about it.
one key one IP is fair thats it... At least you could say you did that part to limit the problems then.
It does happen a lot actually. When we limit to even 2 IPs then our support email is full of angry (and legit long time members) that want to know why they are getting the IP already used error.
We do hundreds of key events every year and we have found that 3-per for most events is the sweet spot. It is the lowest we can go without getting complaints from people not being able to get keys. We could probably get away with 2 per on this event since it is only 1250 keys so I will go ahead and set it to that for the next round.
For example on the Wizard101 giveaways we have to set it to 5 per IP to prevent this...largely because a lot of people in one household play together in addition to ISPs putting a lot of users behind the same IP address.
I wish we could see MAC addresses - but sadly that info is not available to the web server.
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So what is your solution to distribute thousands of keys and guarantee that no one is able to sell their key on ebay? We limit by IP, we use Google's captcha and we constantly purge suspicious accounts. The Internet is more or less anonymous, especially to those that know how to manipulate things.
These guys are just raging because they didn't get a free key. I know as a admin you feel duty bound to make them all feel better. But there's honestly not really anything you could have done to make this "fair" in their eyes.
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All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Just because you see keys on eBay does not mean that they came from here - many other websites are giving out beta keys for Black Desert Online today.
No system will be 100% locked down to stop someone from getting multiple keys if they are determined enough but we do feel we have done everything we can for an open key giveaway.
When we kicked this event off today we instantly were showing 1000+ people online in our real time stats and 80% of this traffic was coming from Facebook and Twitter - so I do think that most of the 1250 keys went to legit people.
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
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The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
So black desert doesn't work on windows 10?
I've had zero issues running it on Windows 10
Your "SYSTEM" is garbage. It is necroing old (expired) competitions. It is necroing old reviews and articles.
It's making the site a joke.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
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Is that really an official answer, it sounds like we're talking to a couple of teenagers managing their first site with a budget of $50 a month. That's nothing more than an excuse, if no one at mmorpg.com has an answer to solve this issue contact a site who does or hire a contractor who can teach you. This isn't rocket science here.
21 year MMO veteran
PvP Raid Leader
Lover of The Witcher & CD Projekt Red
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
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Does it give long time or active users an edge? Sure, but those are also the folks that are helping to create the content that draws folks here, it also would still be possible for a day one person to win a key, just less likely.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
one key one IP is fair thats it... At least you could say you did that part to limit the problems then.
For me it's not worth it and I accept the results of my choice to not monitor Facebook and Twitter.
Thank you for these opportunities MMORPG.com.
We do hundreds of key events every year and we have found that 3-per for most events is the sweet spot. It is the lowest we can go without getting complaints from people not being able to get keys. We could probably get away with 2 per on this event since it is only 1250 keys so I will go ahead and set it to that for the next round.
For example on the Wizard101 giveaways we have to set it to 5 per IP to prevent this...largely because a lot of people in one household play together in addition to ISPs putting a lot of users behind the same IP address.
I wish we could see MAC addresses - but sadly that info is not available to the web server.
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.