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If this game gets hacked, there will be a lot of tears.

KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
in Star Citizen
They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,093
    edited December 2015
    They have no value now, people are making donations to see the kind of game made they want to play.

    Or so the story goes.

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  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 566
    Probably for the same reason people spend so much time trying to discredit a game that they (allegedly) won't play.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,093
    DirtyDozen said:
    Funny, like anything bought in a GAME ever had any value beyond the time spent playing the game itself.

    Why do people go spend a $100 bucks to take the family to the movies?  Only to have nothing to show for it 2 hours later other than the memory of having been there.

    Why do people go out to eat at an expensive place only to crap out the food next day (hopefully)?  Nothing to show for it other than the memory of having been there.

    So the point is, don't judge people for how they spend their entertainment budget, it's none of your business.
    Really bad analogies, in both cases people received something of value at the time of purchase, which fed or entertained them, and not the promise of something in the distant future.

    Lottery tickets would have been more appropriate, though even those guarantee a payout to someone, not so with SC, all may get nothing.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
    all people spend most of their money on things that end up valueless as it turns out.

    Including their entire game collection

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • SephirosoSephiroso Member RarePosts: 2,020
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
    all people spend most of their money on things that end up valueless as it turns out.

    Including their entire game collection
    pretty sure most people spend most of their money on things they need to survive. Like rent, food, other bills, like car note, and paying off other debt.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited December 2015
    Sephiroso said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
    all people spend most of their money on things that end up valueless as it turns out.

    Including their entire game collection
    pretty sure most people spend most of their money on things they need to survive. Like rent, food, other bills, like car note, and paying off other debt.
    which...

    ends up valueless.

    games...ROI = 0 or near 0
    food...ROI = 0
    cars....ROI less than original value

    see the pattern yet?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    If.....? That is adorable. 

    My guess it will be some hectic work for the CS people and they will sell a ton of insurance. 

    Or you just adopt the old EvE moniker of not flying what you can not pay for. =P 

    This have been a good conversation

  • BrenelaelBrenelael Member UncommonPosts: 3,821
    edited December 2015
    I guess it's a real good thing that they rewrote the net code from the ground up than isn't it? I'm not saying that it's more secure just that it isn't the net code that comes stock with CryEngine. Using other CryEngine games as a reference really doesn't apply here. We don't really know how secure the net code is. We shall have to wait and see.

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  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    They all get hacked.  It's their response and contingencies that's gonna be key.

    I self identify as a monkey.

  • Xeno.phonXeno.phon Member UncommonPosts: 350
    Someone knows nothing about the development of the game they are trolling. They rewrote the entire netcode and are not using the package supplied with cryengine.

    But hey troll on, its not like we actually thought you knew what you were talking about anyway.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.

    So if they don't get hacked, how much will those $25,000 ships be worth in real life?  hahahaha!
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,093
    DirtyDozen said:
    Kyleran said:
    DirtyDozen said:
    Funny, like anything bought in a GAME ever had any value beyond the time spent playing the game itself.

    Why do people go spend a $100 bucks to take the family to the movies?  Only to have nothing to show for it 2 hours later other than the memory of having been there.

    Why do people go out to eat at an expensive place only to crap out the food next day (hopefully)?  Nothing to show for it other than the memory of having been there.

    So the point is, don't judge people for how they spend their entertainment budget, it's none of your business.
    Really bad analogies, in both cases people received something of value at the time of purchase, which fed or entertained them, and not the promise of something in the distant future.

    Lottery tickets would have been more appropriate, though even those guarantee a payout to someone, not so with SC, all may get nothing.

    Wrong, any analogy will do when someone is spending THEIR entertainment budget they way the willingly choose to.

    It's disposable income, and I'm a fully lucid adult capable of taking care of myself.  I spend my money on video games knowing full well it's usually very wasteful in most people's eyes. 
    And we are free to mock you for it.

    It only stings because you know we are right.

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    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • SinakuSinaku Member UncommonPosts: 552
    This can basically be the same for any game out there. You can lose any investment of money, time, or whatever else you put into online video games in a second for any number of reasons (hackers, rollbacks, server issues). I feel like this is baiting people with an empty "(insert game here) is going to fail because I said so" tag line.
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sephiroso said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
    all people spend most of their money on things that end up valueless as it turns out.

    Including their entire game collection
    pretty sure most people spend most of their money on things they need to survive. Like rent, food, other bills, like car note, and paying off other debt.
    which...

    ends up valueless.

    games...ROI = 0 or near 0
    food...ROI = 0
    cars....ROI less than original value

    see the pattern yet?
    I see a pattern but can't say it unless I want a mod coming down on me.
  • 13lake13lake Member UncommonPosts: 719
    edited December 2015
    If the anti-Star Citizen crowd is getting this loud and this impatient this early in the development, i cannot fathom how volatile they're gonna get closer to release :)

    The "pls stop wasting money on things i think are wasteful" rhetoric has literally exploded since CIG showed procedural planets, coincidence ?

    And in a few weeks/months when we get closer to next big release the above rhetoric will just morph into "what they say they are going to release soon is impossible" and then a fine print "in the scope, form and quality that is acceptable".

    Which in turns morphs into "Haha, look at that, the not so impossible thing is so bugged and bad, nobody can get 5 min out of it"

    And that then morphs into the wasteful rhetoric so we make a full circle.

    There's also my favourite : "this part is wasteful thus they run out of money", but if it doesn't get shown then its "the same part is missing, thus they are wasting your money".

    The cyclical nature of the arguments is priceless and extremely predictable.

    And not mention the quasi-altruistic ROI argument is nothing but hypocritical, and would require a person to go and "mentor" someone for each and every piece of  anything bought with money with bad ROI to not be hypocritical, which would in turn make that person do the exact opposite just in spite, because of the excessive nagging, thus making the whole endeavor fruitless from the very start.
  • bruevitzbruevitz Member UncommonPosts: 57
    13lake said:
    If the anti-Star Citizen crowd is getting this loud and this impatient this early in the development, i cannot fathom how volatile they're gonna get closer to release :)

    The "pls stop wasting money on things i think are wasteful" rhetoric has literally exploded since CIG showed procedural planets, coincidence ?

    And in a few weeks/months when we get closer to next big release the above rhetoric will just morph into "what they say they are going to release soon is impossible" and then a fine print "in the scope, form and quality that is acceptable".

    Which in turns morphs into "Haha, look at that, the not so impossible thing is so bugged and bad, nobody can get 5 min out of it"

    And that then morphs into the wasteful rhetoric so we make a full circle.

    There's also my favourite : "this part is wasteful thus they run out of money", but if it doesn't get shown then its "the same part is missing, thus they are wasting your money".

    The cyclical nature of the arguments is priceless and extremely predictable.

    And not mention the quasi-altruistic ROI argument is nothing but hypocritical, and would require a person to go and "mentor" someone for each and every piece of  anything bought with money with bad ROI to not be hypocritical, which would in turn make that person do the exact opposite just in spite, because of the excessive nagging, thus making the whole endeavor fruitless from the very start.
    Well this is a forum, an outlet for people to vent their thoughts to other people. Given that it is contained, why should you or any other complain about it?

    The irony of your statement is: 'neither your insight or opinion on what other's think may or may not happen is also may or may not happen'. The game is not out. It can still still go in any directions. And like you have said, an officially completed game can also fail.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    edited December 2015
    Kyleran said:
    Kyleran said:
    Funny, like anything bought in a GAME ever had any value beyond the time spent playing the game itself.

    Why do people go spend a $100 bucks to take the family to the movies?  Only to have nothing to show for it 2 hours later other than the memory of having been there.

    Why do people go out to eat at an expensive place only to crap out the food next day (hopefully)?  Nothing to show for it other than the memory of having been there.

    So the point is, don't judge people for how they spend their entertainment budget, it's none of your business.
    Really bad analogies, in both cases people received something of value at the time of purchase, which fed or entertained them, and not the promise of something in the distant future.

    Lottery tickets would have been more appropriate, though even those guarantee a payout to someone, not so with SC, all may get nothing.

    Wrong, any analogy will do when someone is spending THEIR entertainment budget they way the willingly choose to.

    It's disposable income, and I'm a fully lucid adult capable of taking care of myself.  I spend my money on video games knowing full well it's usually very wasteful in most people's eyes. 
    And we are free to mock you for it.

    It only stings because you know we are right.
    Mocking can go both ways in these situations... no reason to be jealous others can afford things some can't. I'll patiently await the "I'm not" that's inevitably coming... and pre-serve it a sure.......

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
    from my understanding all the ships people have been spending money on during beta will be pretty much worthless once the game goes live. That is my understanding from CR himself.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • DaikuruDaikuru Member RarePosts: 797
    I wonder what happen if you buy a car for $100 000 in real life and it gets stolen...hmm.
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  • 13lake13lake Member UncommonPosts: 719
    edited December 2015
    bruevitz said:
    Well this is a forum, an outlet for people to vent their thoughts to other people. Given that it is contained, why should you or any other complain about it?
    If you are considering that i'm complaining(I will neither confirm,deny or abstain that i am or am not complaining, or that what i wrote can be considered a complaint or not), then u have already answered your own question :

    if  (forum = outlet for people to vent their thoughts to other people)
          then (my or someone else's complaint about it)
          is (venting thoughts to other people)
          on an outlet(forum)

    Or is venting thoughts to other people on a forum constrained by other variables u didn't define ?
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Daikuru said:
    I wonder what happen if you buy a car for $100 000 in real life and it gets stolen...hmm.
    to be fair cars are insured, hard to 'stay' stolen, and is for more people a need.

    Having said that from my understanding all these ships really will not be worth much when the game goes live from my understanding. I am not exactly sure the plan but from what I have heard they are fully aware of the pay to win problem 

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • DaikuruDaikuru Member RarePosts: 797
    edited December 2015
    SEANMCAD said:
    Daikuru said:
    I wonder what happen if you buy a car for $100 000 in real life and it gets stolen...hmm.
    to be fair cars are insured, hard to 'stay' stolen, and is for more people a need.

    Having said that from my understanding all these ships really will not be worth much when the game goes live from my understanding. I am not exactly sure the plan but from what I have heard they are fully aware of the pay to win problem 
    Well, if your Acc or the game gets hacked and your ship gets stolen, no matter if it has any value in game anymore, you will get, normally, a compensation from the developer, just like the insurance work in real life. If you can prove it of course.
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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Kiyoris said:
    They are using the cryengine. If you look at the history of games based on the Cryengine, and how leaky the network code is. The games tend to be hacked from top to bottom on day one, the hack is developed during beta and launched and sold on launch.

    So those $25,000 ships will not only be worth nothing in real life, they will be worth nothing in the virtual word either once the game is hacked.

    Why are people buying things that could instantly go valueless.
    The engine powering 2.0 and 2.1 has very little in common with CE3. It is a heavily modified, almost rebuild, version of CE by CryEngine specialists who where hired and provided with a base in Frankfurt to do just that.

    Nice try though.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Daikuru said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Daikuru said:
    I wonder what happen if you buy a car for $100 000 in real life and it gets stolen...hmm.
    to be fair cars are insured, hard to 'stay' stolen, and is for more people a need.

    Having said that from my understanding all these ships really will not be worth much when the game goes live from my understanding. I am not exactly sure the plan but from what I have heard they are fully aware of the pay to win problem 
    Well, if your Acc or the game gets hacked and your ship gets stolen, no matter if it has any value in game anymore, you will get, normally, a compensation from the developer, just like the insurance work in real life. If you can prove it of course.
    what you will get is a ship, not $100,000

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • GrumpyHobbitGrumpyHobbit Member RarePosts: 1,220
    Fuck life.

    Just found out all those years of work, saving up, and now I find out I am gonna die.

    What is the point!!!!


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