WTF is wrong with people? With all the nonsense from complete failures like Chris Roberts and Brad McQuaid trying to reinvent themselves after being one hit wonders (both of which get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too much credit for the 'hits' they produced) and getting people to support them for a few years you have games like ARK that all the did was MAKE a game and RELEASE it. I never saw any crowdfunding or kickstarter bullshit from those guys. They actually MADE something and offered it for people to actually PLAY. At a very reasonable box price (which with sale prices is ridiculously low).
If ANYONE wants to see what MAKING and actual game for people to PLAY takes look at ARK. Everything else is basically people trying to fleece supporters' and skim money from the budget to pad their pockets with.
Pretty sure ARK and Wild Card studios has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt you can produce a playable game WITHOUT payer funds, and if it is fun enough you will sell a shitload of copies and actually EARN the money you get.
I also dont think ARK is some Svengali, nor it is a unique circumstance. They do, as I have said for years, the SINGLE most simplistic thing to be a 'success', MAKE a game (that actually needs to be said now in this day and age for obvious reasons) and make it fun to play and one that people can put some time into.
All this noise about needing funding or how much a "AAA" MMO costs or 'should' cost is all bullshit made to help separate more people from more money.
Someone can go right now and spend 17 or 18 bucks and have a game that will give you hundreds (thousands actually) of hours of game play in any medium you want. All available NOW not months or years or if ever from now.
Brad was forced by a large company to implement bad decisions with Vanguard. He may not have been perfect.
Have to agree with @Hercules "how uninformed you are" comment.
Brad + Jeff Butler = Sigil Games; Sigil Games = Brad + Jeff Butler.
Microsoft were to be the publisher of Vanguard; they were not involved in development. After numerous delays they pulled out and:
Sigil published the game all by themselves.
So will other companies be worried by Pantheon? Nope. It is just one more game vying for consumer's money. Along with books, films, football and other sports, gardening and other hobbies, holidays and yes ....... even other games - on mobile, console, PC. It won't even be noticed specifically.
Brad was forced by a large company to implement bad decisions with Vanguard. He may not have been perfect.
Have to agree with @Hercules "how uninformed you are" comment.
Brad + Jeff Butler = Sigil Games; Sigil Games = Brad + Jeff Butler.
Microsoft were to be the publisher of Vanguard; they were not involved in development. After numerous delays they pulled out and:
Sigil published the game all by themselves.
So will other companies be worried by Pantheon? Nope. It is just one more game vying for consumer's money. Along with books, films, football and other sports, gardening and other hobbies, holidays and yes ....... even other games - on mobile, console, PC. It won't even be noticed specifically.
Hmm.. how informed indeed.
You do realize that MS changed up teams that had an agreement with Brad on his development goals and that new team moved the goal posts, changed up the directions and demanded he adjust to fit it?
How much knowledge about the gaming industry do you even have if you don't realize the very powerful control a publisher (ie those holding the purse strings) has on a development studio?
Maybe spend a bit more time educating yourself on the facts rather than parroting off gossip?
Brad was forced by a large company to implement bad decisions with Vanguard. He may not have been perfect.
Have to agree with @Hercules "how uninformed you are" comment.
Brad + Jeff Butler = Sigil Games; Sigil Games = Brad + Jeff Butler.
Microsoft were to be the publisher of Vanguard; they were not involved in development. After numerous delays they pulled out and:
Sigil published the game all by themselves.
So will other companies be worried by Pantheon? Nope. It is just one more game vying for consumer's money. Along with books, films, football and other sports, gardening and other hobbies, holidays and yes ....... even other games - on mobile, console, PC. It won't even be noticed specifically.
Hmm.. how informed indeed.
You do realize that MS changed up teams that had an agreement with Brad on his development goals and that new team moved the goal posts, changed up the directions and demanded he adjust to fit it?
How much knowledge about the gaming industry do you even have if you don't realize the very powerful control a publisher (ie those holding the purse strings) has on a development studio?
Maybe spend a bit more time educating yourself on the facts rather than parroting off gossip?
Nah... "Polly want a cracker!" Carrroaaack!
There is a perfect saying for this post...
"Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind.
All you did was parrot gossip from the pro-Brad crowd. But of course you think it's ok for you to do to but not others if they don't argue with your parroting right?
Brad was forced by a large company to implement bad decisions with Vanguard. He may not have been perfect.
Have to agree with @Hercules "how uninformed you are" comment.
Brad + Jeff Butler = Sigil Games; Sigil Games = Brad + Jeff Butler.
Microsoft were to be the publisher of Vanguard; they were not involved in development. After numerous delays they pulled out and:
Sigil published the game all by themselves.
So will other companies be worried by Pantheon? Nope. It is just one more game vying for consumer's money. Along with books, films, football and other sports, gardening and other hobbies, holidays and yes ....... even other games - on mobile, console, PC. It won't even be noticed specifically.
Hmm.. how informed indeed.
You do realize that MS changed up teams that had an agreement with Brad on his development goals and that new team moved the goal posts, changed up the directions and demanded he adjust to fit it?
How much knowledge about the gaming industry do you even have if you don't realize the very powerful control a publisher (ie those holding the purse strings) has on a development studio?
Maybe spend a bit more time educating yourself on the facts rather than parroting off gossip?
Nah... "Polly want a cracker!" Carrroaaack!
That's just nonsense. MS bailed when they found out Vanguard was a good 1.5 to 2 years behind schedule and would need millions more to finish.
Brad was forced by a large company to implement bad decisions with Vanguard. He may not have been perfect.
Have to agree with @Hercules "how uninformed you are" comment.
Brad + Jeff Butler = Sigil Games; Sigil Games = Brad + Jeff Butler.
Microsoft were to be the publisher of Vanguard; they were not involved in development. After numerous delays they pulled out and:
Sigil published the game all by themselves.
So will other companies be worried by Pantheon? Nope. It is just one more game vying for consumer's money. Along with books, films, football and other sports, gardening and other hobbies, holidays and yes ....... even other games - on mobile, console, PC. It won't even be noticed specifically.
Exactly. On top of that, Pantheon's target audience is niche; those seeking gameplay/systems found in 1999 Everquest with a new can of paint (while ignoring many improvements from the last decade and a half of MMOs). And not only in the target audience niche, it's filled with those seeking nostalgia (which will never be satisfied).
Maybe the game will be fantastic at what's its aiming to do, but the target audience is so limited that no big game company will feel jealous of Pantheon.
Well the game doesn't have pvp and they went to the basics of pve. Well the basics of pve didn't work that's why all the new games are called "themepark". This game sounds good to idealists but realists see it will probably not work. You can't make normal pve so hard it requires groups. The majority of mmorpg players are not running around in groups. Unless they have a really good matchmaking system like Rift had. I'm not saying its impossible. But I am saying the average developer lacks the sense to make such a thing happen effectively.
I'm looking forward to some good old fashion dungeon crawling with a group of like minded players, and helping that poor guy over their next to the tree kill that hard to kill monster.
Maybe will make friends and play a few hours. Maybe I'll add him to my long friends list I plan on having
That guy next to the tree will not be there. Because he quit and went to play another game. Because he died 2 times and the penalty was too harsh and he didn't want to stand around for 5 hours waiting for some dude to show up.
Yet as you can see, a number of people are still reminiscing about that experience and wanting to enjoy it again 15 years later. That's a market deserving of being serviced.
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That's just nonsense. MS bailed when they found out Vanguard was a good 1.5 to 2 years behind schedule and would need millions more to finish.
Prove it. What I stated was what Brad explained about the issue. If you want to object, please, by all means, provide us with some information that can properly support your claim.
So again, we need to see evidence to support your claim that says they were 1-2 years behind schedule and needed millions more to finish.
Common now... Carrroaaack! you can Carrroaaack! Provide that can't you?
All you did was parrot gossip from the pro-Brad crowd. But of course you think it's ok for you to do to but not others if they don't argue with your parroting right?
Really? Lets logically evaluate this shall we?
The people claiming otherwise have no evidence, like the poster I mentioned above, they are "parroting" gossip from the internet. no verifiable sources, no evidence to support their claim.
So, since we are operating on "belief", lets see what we have. We can take Brad's word that the teams changed on him and started changing the terms (not unreasonable if you know anything about the publisher vs developer issues of the gaming market) and him also admitting he made mistakes as well...
Or... we can take the word of some random person on the internet claiming otherwise, defending the solid and honest name of Microsoft as a publisher (you have to be a complete idiot to accept this one, I have personally dealt with MS on a professional capacity and they are not the saints some laymen think they are) even though there are numerous other dealings with MS as a publisher that are less than savory.
So go on, tell me I am "the pot calling the kettle black" and all that while you defend to support the attacks of random anonymous people. Maybe when those cowards step up and name themselves and stand by their claims, then.,.. maybe we can accept such. until then, random idiots with unsupported claims mean absolutely nothing.
OP, this is a stupid thread. Honestly, I question your motives that you made it. Why on earth would you start such a stupid infantile thread with a taunt to the idiots who don't even give a crap about this game? What did you hope to accomplish? Why do you do such? WE don't need these idiots here, they don't help the game, they don't give a flying flip about the game.
If you think people like me are going to sit here and defend your ridiculous points, forget it. You argue with these idiots and keep in mind the old saying "Do not argue with fools lest you be mistaken for one", enjoy this idiotic thread, I am done with it.
That's just nonsense. MS bailed when they found out Vanguard was a good 1.5 to 2 years behind schedule and would need millions more to finish.
Prove it. What I stated was what Brad explained about the issue. If you want to object, please, by all means, provide us with some information that can properly support your claim.
So again, we need to see evidence to support your claim that says they were 1-2 years behind schedule and needed millions more to finish.
Common now... Carrroaaack! you can Carrroaaack! Provide that can't you?
All you did was parrot gossip from the pro-Brad crowd. But of course you think it's ok for you to do to but not others if they don't argue with your parroting right?
Really? Lets logically evaluate this shall we?
The people claiming otherwise have no evidence, like the poster I mentioned above, they are "parroting" gossip from the internet. no verifiable sources, no evidence to support their claim.
So, since we are operating on "belief", lets see what we have. We can take Brad's word that the teams changed on him and started changing the terms (not unreasonable if you know anything about the publisher vs developer issues of the gaming market) and him also admitting he made mistakes as well...
Or... we can take the word of some random person on the internet claiming otherwise, defending the solid and honest name of Microsoft as a publisher (you have to be a complete idiot to accept this one, I have personally dealt with MS on a professional capacity and they are not the saints some laymen think they are) even though there are numerous other dealings with MS as a publisher that are less than savory.
So go on, tell me I am "the pot calling the kettle black" and all that while you defend against the attacks of random anonymous people. Maybe when those cowards step up and name themselves and stand by their claims, then.,.. maybe we can accept such. until then, random idiots with unsupported claims mean absolutely nothing.
The development history of Vanguard, including the 4.5 years under MS, has been reported repeatedly.
After 4.5 years, they were behind schedule, over-budget (and needed a lot more of both), the demos being shown MS executives turned out to be fabricated and rarely what they were shown ended up being in the actual game, and the beta was a trainwreck with people generally saying it was awful. They were notorious for spending weeks developing something completely scrapping it and did this repeatedly with little overall direction from Sigil leadership.
And Sigil did the same thing under SOE: wanted more time, money, programmers, and spent their time at E3 in 2006 discussing things that never made it into the game (with Brad showing little interest in the product). And the game was still a huge mess when it was finally released under SOE.
This is all well documented and trying to claim the problems were 'the big bad MS' is completely bogus. The problems were with Sigil and Brad regardless of who was writing the checks.
Surely you can point us to all this documentation other than that one angry guy that got fired and started a blog talking about how Brad never showed up to work and was busy doing drugs.
Regardless, it doesn't matter, Mr McQuaid himself has explained all the problems many times over, and carries the weight of the blame. The buck ultimately stopped at him, and he acknowledged it and decided to move on and try to continue doing what he loves (making MMOs) with those experiences, both positive and negative.
To prevent those issues that happened in the past, Visionary Realms has brought on people to manage the project and the money so Brad, Chris, John and their other talented coders and artists can focus on making the game.
Is this thread ridiculous? Of course. This does not represent what the average fans of Pantheon believe. We are happy to see someone making a game we have longed to play. If its success does encourage other companies or people to "follow their heart" and make games they are passionate about rather than imitating the big games of the past, thats great.
Honestly, this has already occurred for those who are paying attention, because almost all the big names from first generations MMORPGs have already gone indie and are helping create games they love. Mark Jacobs, J Todd Coleman, Richard Garriott, Blair, Koster, McQuaid... the list goes on and on.
the beta was a trainwreck with people generally saying it was awful.
I was in the Vanguard beta. While there are always criticisms (it's part of what a beta is for), there certainly was no "general" feeling that the game was awful. I can't speak to those other allegations you list, but this one is not accurate.
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OP, this is a stupid thread. Honestly, I question your motives that you made it. Why on earth would you start such a stupid infantile thread with a taunt to the idiots who don't even give a crap about this game? What did you hope to accomplish? Why do you do such? WE don't need these idiots here, they don't help the game, they don't give a flying flip about the game.
If you think people like me are going to sit here and defend your ridiculous points, forget it. You argue with these idiots and keep in mind the old saying "Do not argue with fools lest you be mistaken for one", enjoy this idiotic thread, I am done with it.
Your right Sinist, I apologize, I really do.
" The larger companies will be mad " heading is DEFENETLY over the top.
And I wasn't expecting everyone to start a war on Brad's part in managing games.
My motives........Well, I really hate all the crap games we have now. In my opinion their not mmos. I love everything Pantheon stands for " Old school done with a modern twist ". What else motivates me is I'm part crazy for the fact that I'm extremely passionate with things I believe in.
I push issues to the point I'm irritating " again part crazy "....So I'm sorry, I am who I am
That's just nonsense. MS bailed when they found out Vanguard was a good 1.5 to 2 years behind schedule and would need millions more to finish.
Prove it. What I stated was what Brad explained about the issue. If you want to object, please, by all means, provide us with some information that can properly support your claim.
So again, we need to see evidence to support your claim that says they were 1-2 years behind schedule and needed millions more to finish.
Common now... Carrroaaack! you can Carrroaaack! Provide that can't you?
All you did was parrot gossip from the pro-Brad crowd. But of course you think it's ok for you to do to but not others if they don't argue with your parroting right?
Really? Lets logically evaluate this shall we?
The people claiming otherwise have no evidence, like the poster I mentioned above, they are "parroting" gossip from the internet. no verifiable sources, no evidence to support their claim.
So, since we are operating on "belief", lets see what we have. We can take Brad's word that the teams changed on him and started changing the terms (not unreasonable if you know anything about the publisher vs developer issues of the gaming market) and him also admitting he made mistakes as well...
Or... we can take the word of some random person on the internet claiming otherwise, defending the solid and honest name of Microsoft as a publisher (you have to be a complete idiot to accept this one, I have personally dealt with MS on a professional capacity and they are not the saints some laymen think they are) even though there are numerous other dealings with MS as a publisher that are less than savory.
So go on, tell me I am "the pot calling the kettle black" and all that while you defend to support the attacks of random anonymous people. Maybe when those cowards step up and name themselves and stand by their claims, then.,.. maybe we can accept such. until then, random idiots with unsupported claims mean absolutely nothing.
Haha why "can we take Brads word"? Like I said you are parroting the pro-Brad garbage thinking he's going to tell the whole story.
I never said he was correct either just calling you out for doing THE EXACT thing you are crying he is doing.
If it's good, it'll garner those wanting a game for what it offers. Time will tell what it will become. As for big companies, I highly doubt they'll fear anything. There is room for expansion in the Mmo genre. Only players will show the industry how 'successful' PTO will/won't be.
OP, this is a stupid thread. Honestly, I question your motives that you made it. Why on earth would you start such a stupid infantile thread with a taunt to the idiots who don't even give a crap about this game? What did you hope to accomplish? Why do you do such? WE don't need these idiots here, they don't help the game, they don't give a flying flip about the game.
If you think people like me are going to sit here and defend your ridiculous points, forget it. You argue with these idiots and keep in mind the old saying "Do not argue with fools lest you be mistaken for one", enjoy this idiotic thread, I am done with it.
It's poison like this that could kill this game. The community should be inviting, not calling passers by idiots. Drive everyone off and you'll have no one to play with or support the game and it will die. Maybe you should reconsider your tone if you really believe in community building, because it sure doesn't sound like it.
Yes, and taunting those who do not share the enthusiasm for this game is what really brings about success! Considering your responses, I would say you are part of the crowd who is looking for it to fail. Inviting those who would harm the game is idiocy, the OP has been fanatic, wild and uncertain in their support of this game. That is, a passerby, someone whose enthusiasm is challenging and that is not what is good for a "community", but you go ahead and tell me how we should embrace people who attempt to troll those who have no interest in this game. I think the OP is a troll, and they are shown to be such by the content of their discussions here (ie ignorant of EQ basics, challenging to those who do not conform, etc...).
I don't buy into it, but then I am an non-trusting sort. I do find it quite amusing that a you of all people are here trying to defend in such. Seems like you are just adding fuel to the fire. How about you bugger off? Find another game to troll?
Well the game doesn't have pvp and they went to the basics of pve. Well the basics of pve didn't work that's why all the new games are called "themepark". This game sounds good to idealists but realists see it will probably not work. You can't make normal pve so hard it requires groups. The majority of mmorpg players are not running around in groups. Unless they have a really good matchmaking system like Rift had. I'm not saying its impossible. But I am saying the average developer lacks the sense to make such a thing happen effectively.
I'm looking forward to some good old fashion dungeon crawling with a group of like minded players, and helping that poor guy over their next to the tree kill that hard to kill monster.
Maybe will make friends and play a few hours. Maybe I'll add him to my long friends list I plan on having
That guy next to the tree will not be there. Because he quit and went to play another game. Because he died 2 times and the penalty was too harsh and he didn't want to stand around for 5 hours waiting for some dude to show up.
Yet as you can see, a number of people are still reminiscing about that experience and wanting to enjoy it again 15 years later. That's a market deserving of being serviced.
Except you'll never have the experience you had in those games 15 years ago. It will never have the same type of population as there is just to wide a market now a days. People have to many choices and will just leave and go elsewhere instead of tolerating the "harshness" that was common then. If it was something people wanted in games now it would be there. As you can see it's not and your argument is very flawed.
Late to the party on this thread, and before I comment on the affect this game may have, first convince me that it is going to release at all. The last I heard they were trying to produce a good enough prototype to attract the big funding they need to complete the project. Has this changed at all?
Except you'll never have the experience you had in those games 15 years ago. It will never have the same type of population as there is just to wide a market now a days. People have to many choices and will just leave and go elsewhere instead of tolerating the "harshness" that was common then. If it was something people wanted in games now it would be there. As you can see it's not and your argument is very flawed.
Many choices? Maybe across multiple genres, but not across MMOs.
Too harsh? I didn't feel that way, and neither did most of the millions, perhaps 10s of millions of people who played EQ.
There are plenty of people who want harder games with a greater focus on challenge, multiplayer gameplay, and immersion instead of the convenience and accessibility that has replaced them. It doesn't have to draw millions, or even 100s of thousands to be success, and we are OK with that.
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WTF is wrong with people? With all the nonsense from complete failures like Chris Roberts and Brad McQuaid trying to reinvent themselves after being one hit wonders (both of which get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too much credit for the 'hits' they produced) and getting people to support them for a few years you have games like ARK that all the did was MAKE a game and RELEASE it. I never saw any crowdfunding or kickstarter bullshit from those guys. They actually MADE something and offered it for people to actually PLAY. At a very reasonable box price (which with sale prices is ridiculously low).
If ANYONE wants to see what MAKING and actual game for people to PLAY takes look at ARK. Everything else is basically people trying to fleece supporters' and skim money from the budget to pad their pockets with.
Pretty sure ARK and Wild Card studios has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt you can produce a playable game WITHOUT payer funds, and if it is fun enough you will sell a shitload of copies and actually EARN the money you get.
I also dont think ARK is some Svengali, nor it is a unique circumstance. They do, as I have said for years, the SINGLE most simplistic thing to be a 'success', MAKE a game (that actually needs to be said now in this day and age for obvious reasons) and make it fun to play and one that people can put some time into.
All this noise about needing funding or how much a "AAA" MMO costs or 'should' cost is all bullshit made to help separate more people from more money.
Someone can go right now and spend 17 or 18 bucks and have a game that will give you hundreds (thousands actually) of hours of game play in any medium you want. All available NOW not months or years or if ever from now.
Brad + Jeff Butler = Sigil Games; Sigil Games = Brad + Jeff Butler.
Microsoft were to be the publisher of Vanguard; they were not involved in development. After numerous delays they pulled out and:
Sigil published the game all by themselves.
So will other companies be worried by Pantheon? Nope. It is just one more game vying for consumer's money. Along with books, films, football and other sports, gardening and other hobbies, holidays and yes ....... even other games - on mobile, console, PC. It won't even be noticed specifically.
You do realize that MS changed up teams that had an agreement with Brad on his development goals and that new team moved the goal posts, changed up the directions and demanded he adjust to fit it?
How much knowledge about the gaming industry do you even have if you don't realize the very powerful control a publisher (ie those holding the purse strings) has on a development studio?
Maybe spend a bit more time educating yourself on the facts rather than parroting off gossip?
Nah... "Polly want a cracker!" Carrroaaack!
"Pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind.
All you did was parrot gossip from the pro-Brad crowd. But of course you think it's ok for you to do to but not others if they don't argue with your parroting right?
Maybe the game will be fantastic at what's its aiming to do, but the target audience is so limited that no big game company will feel jealous of Pantheon.
Yet as you can see, a number of people are still reminiscing about that experience and wanting to enjoy it again 15 years later. That's a market deserving of being serviced.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
So again, we need to see evidence to support your claim that says they were 1-2 years behind schedule and needed millions more to finish.
Common now... Carrroaaack! you can Carrroaaack! Provide that can't you?
Polly want a cracker?
Really? Lets logically evaluate this shall we?
The people claiming otherwise have no evidence, like the poster I mentioned above, they are "parroting" gossip from the internet. no verifiable sources, no evidence to support their claim.
So, since we are operating on "belief", lets see what we have. We can take Brad's word that the teams changed on him and started changing the terms (not unreasonable if you know anything about the publisher vs developer issues of the gaming market) and him also admitting he made mistakes as well...
Or... we can take the word of some random person on the internet claiming otherwise, defending the solid and honest name of Microsoft as a publisher (you have to be a complete idiot to accept this one, I have personally dealt with MS on a professional capacity and they are not the saints some laymen think they are) even though there are numerous other dealings with MS as a publisher that are less than savory.
So go on, tell me I am "the pot calling the kettle black" and all that while you defend to support the attacks of random anonymous people. Maybe when those cowards step up and name themselves and stand by their claims, then.,.. maybe we can accept such. until then, random idiots with unsupported claims mean absolutely nothing.
If you think people like me are going to sit here and defend your ridiculous points, forget it. You argue with these idiots and keep in mind the old saying "Do not argue with fools lest you be mistaken for one", enjoy this idiotic thread, I am done with it.
After 4.5 years, they were behind schedule, over-budget (and needed a lot more of both), the demos being shown MS executives turned out to be fabricated and rarely what they were shown ended up being in the actual game, and the beta was a trainwreck with people generally saying it was awful. They were notorious for spending weeks developing something completely scrapping it and did this repeatedly with little overall direction from Sigil leadership.
And Sigil did the same thing under SOE: wanted more time, money, programmers, and spent their time at E3 in 2006 discussing things that never made it into the game (with Brad showing little interest in the product). And the game was still a huge mess when it was finally released under SOE.
This is all well documented and trying to claim the problems were 'the big bad MS' is completely bogus. The problems were with Sigil and Brad regardless of who was writing the checks.
Regardless, it doesn't matter, Mr McQuaid himself has explained all the problems many times over, and carries the weight of the blame. The buck ultimately stopped at him, and he acknowledged it and decided to move on and try to continue doing what he loves (making MMOs) with those experiences, both positive and negative.
To prevent those issues that happened in the past, Visionary Realms has brought on people to manage the project and the money so Brad, Chris, John and their other talented coders and artists can focus on making the game.
Is this thread ridiculous? Of course. This does not represent what the average fans of Pantheon believe. We are happy to see someone making a game we have longed to play. If its success does encourage other companies or people to "follow their heart" and make games they are passionate about rather than imitating the big games of the past, thats great.
Honestly, this has already occurred for those who are paying attention, because almost all the big names from first generations MMORPGs have already gone indie and are helping create games they love. Mark Jacobs, J Todd Coleman, Richard Garriott, Blair, Koster, McQuaid... the list goes on and on.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Your right Sinist, I apologize, I really do.
" The larger companies will be mad " heading is DEFENETLY over the top.
And I wasn't expecting everyone to start a war on Brad's part in managing games.
My motives........Well, I really hate all the crap games we have now. In my opinion their not mmos. I love everything Pantheon stands for " Old school done with a modern twist ". What else motivates me is I'm part crazy for the fact that I'm extremely passionate with things I believe in.
I push issues to the point I'm irritating " again part crazy "....So I'm sorry, I am who I am
I never said he was correct either just calling you out for doing THE EXACT thing you are crying he is doing.
As for big companies, I highly doubt they'll fear anything.
There is room for expansion in the Mmo genre. Only players will show the industry how 'successful' PTO will/won't be.
On a side note, it looks like Donald Trump will be the next President... proof that media attention sells anything.
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I don't buy into it, but then I am an non-trusting sort. I do find it quite amusing that a you of all people are here trying to defend in such. Seems like you are just adding fuel to the fire. How about you bugger off? Find another game to troll?
Too harsh? I didn't feel that way, and neither did most of the millions, perhaps 10s of millions of people who played EQ.
There are plenty of people who want harder games with a greater focus on challenge, multiplayer gameplay, and immersion instead of the convenience and accessibility that has replaced them. It doesn't have to draw millions, or even 100s of thousands to be success, and we are OK with that.