So, I almost purchased 315P to get me into SC. I didn't due to LTI concerns. What do you all think?

sgel

Star Citizen is a religion.

Righteous_Rock

sgel said:

Star Citizen is a religion.

Star Citizen is about 5 years away from being relevant to those that want to actually play the game.

Turrican187

Xeno.phon said:

@Wizardy you can legally buy ISK in EVE [...]

You can buy Plex and sell them for ISK but you can not direct buy ISK legally

Yakuto

Well, its prolly hard to compare eve to this. Eve doesn't give you back a ship or any equipment. It only gives you back some money toward the purchase of a new ship. Also, since we don't know how long it takes to earn x amount of credits, or how much X insurance costs for X ship. Its sorta moot. Honestly I was just venting concerns but there really isn't anyone who can answer the question in a way with any real certainty. We can only speculate and wait.

Kefo

Xeno.phon said:

@Wizardy you can legally buy ISK in EVE and buy any ship you want, the top fleet ready titan amounting to 7500$.... so what are you on about?

And yes the ships are earned, once the game launches, right now is a testing phase so why grind away in a one system game for a ship. That just wouldnt be logical  to the testing phase they are in. So instead of selling in game money they sell the ships directly, in effect 0 difference than the system currently employed by EVE, except the purchase goes to the company to help make the game, instead of to the players that build the ships, at least until launch and we know if players can build ships or not in SC.

Either way redundant comment is redundant, there are plenty of successful games with similar and even worse monetization.

CCP doesn't just create the ship themselves with a click of a button to sell for cash though. Someone had to get all the materials, the skills and spend the time in order to construct that titan. So 100% different then what EVE does.

Yakuto

Well the most significant difference, would be that all ships in eve are player made for the most part except a few turney ships. The only reason I even referenced it would be that I think it is the closest thing to this that I could compare it to, even though how the insurance pays out is different, its still x - insurance for x return. Just on the one hand they give you a ship, and on the other, they give you some money toward a ship.

Talonsin

Erillion said:

4) Big ships are NOT instantly replaced in SC. Delivery times will depend on general demand and how often you "lost" your ship before. Insurance fraud will void your insurance. Including LTI. 

Could you share the source of this information please?

Thanks

Erillion

Talonsin said:

Erillion said:

4) Big ships are NOT instantly replaced in SC. Delivery times will depend on general demand and how often you "lost" your ship before. Insurance fraud will void your insurance. Including LTI. 

Could you share the source of this information please?

Thanks

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/faq/Insurance-FAQ


Have fun

Talonsin

I dont see where it says the delivery time varies by general demand, can you point me to that?  I did find where it says there will be a delay depending on how many times you have lost your ship in a given time period but the amount of times to lose a ship before this is triggered or the timeframe for losing multiple ships before this kicks in is not listed yet.  I guess we will have to wait and see.

Octagon7711

My answer to the OP's question would be to just wait till launch or final beta before launch.  If you really can't wait I would buy the cheapest package and just login from time to time to check it out.  You can always upgrade later.  Plus a game goes through so many changes during development , you seldom get the same game when it's done.

Redsalt

Wait until  launch if undecided. The ships will be in game when it launches.

 I have the mustang package and play the arena commander module. Personally I am just waiting for Squadron 42.

Slapshot1188

Redsalt said:

 Personally I am just waiting for Squadron 42.

Same here!

bcbully

Erillion said:

My personal opinion (based on a lot of information from CIG and Chris Roberts, als well as years of playtime in EVE Online and now Elite:Dangerous):

1) Insurance stops being a concern after a short playing time in the game (e.g. 2 weeks). You will have more than enough in game money to pay for insurance. Most pledge packages start with several months insurance anyway. 

2) Insurance cost in SC will be low. LTI is not in any way a "better" form of insurance than normal insurance. Just prepaid. 

3) LTI would only be a concern for zergling suicide attackers. But the permadeath mechanic in SC makes zerging much more difficult as you need to make a new character after maybe 8 deaths (thats one hour zerging in EVE for example). And after "death" 4-7 you have to recover as a cripple with augmetic cybernetics. 

4) Big ships are NOT instantly replaced in SC. Delivery times will depend on general demand and how often you "lost" your ship before. Insurance fraud will void your insurance. Including LTI. 

5) Known fugitives and pirates need to find alternative "shady" insurance brokers in lawless systems. Rates will be "different" ;-)

Have fun

Permadeath? What? Really?

Yakuto

Octagon7711 said:

My answer to the OP's question would be to just wait till launch or final beta before launch.  If you really can't wait I would buy the cheapest package and just login from time to time to check it out.  You can always upgrade later.  Plus a game goes through so many changes during development , you seldom get the same game when it's done.

Eah, I went ahead and purchased the ship I wanted. Its a little more than the 60$ i normally spend on titles that interest me. 75 gets me the ship and the game. 315P, Ill try to fly it some time soon. lol

Slapshot1188

sgel said:

Star Citizen is a religion.

For some.  Seems to be par for the course for fans of any game now-a-days.  Most of it is intentionally driven by developers who create an Us vs Them mentality.

goboygo

Wizardry said:

The mere fact that the most important part of the game,your ship is not earned or anything,you just buy it,is good enough reason to stay away from such a shallow monetary system.

Good job Chris Roberts on taking away the most important immersion of the game and just selling it ,good job on taking away gaming from the game.

Huh?  I don't think you understand how it works.

nepulas

i think it was your worst idea to ask this on these forums.

Spiraldeath

If LTI is such a massive concern (which it really shouldn't be but I can understand wanting it) wait till they release a ship with LTI then use it to upgrade to what you want.

I purchased 2 of the recent P-72's with LTI with the intention of using them to upgrade to something more expensive with LTI when my funds allow it. Think this will only work for standalone ships though at this point.

Colt47

LTI is only worth it on the ships that are above 100 usd.  Below that most of the ships are fairly common, going to be low cost in the verse, and you'll likely go through a few of them pretty quick.   My jump in ship was a Mustang omega with 2 month insurance.  You should be getting a much better deal with the Avenger starting package or the 315p starting package.  

Volkmar

So first of all LTI is not very important, just one of MANY gold sink included in the game (others include landing fees, repair fees, hangar fees, refuelöng et .)

Second, I have seen many here thinking insurance works like on EVE, but as far as I know, it does not, it works like in real life: you pay a premium of X each "Month" and if your ship get rekt, you get a new one. You do not need to pay again, you already paid for X months. Your premium might get a bit higher if you crash your ship all the time and your insurance might get invalid if you are ramming people all the time like a Goon, but beside that... You will be good for the X months you paid and the game will warn you if you are trying to fly with no insurance on your ship.

However, if you REALLY want LTI, here is how you can do it (but does not work for a game package, just a stand alone ship). Buy now the ship you want and wait until CIG release a new concept sale ship for a cheaper price than yours, like the Reliant or the Archimedes-72 were very cheap (50 and 30 bucks respectively). Concept ship comes with LTI, then use the upgrade ship system in the shop to go from your cheap lti ship to what ypu want, it will keep the LTI on it and doooone!

Yakuto

Volkmar said:

So first of all LTI is not very important, just one of MANY gold sink included in the game (others include landing fees, repair fees, hangar fees, refuelöng et .)

Second, I have seen many here thinking insurance works like on EVE, but as far as I know, it does not, it works like in real life: you pay a premium of X each "Month" and if your ship get rekt, you get a new one. You do not need to pay again, you already paid for X months. Your premium might get a bit higher if you crash your ship all the time and your insurance might get invalid if you are ramming people all the time like a Goon, but beside that... You will be good for the X months you paid and the game will warn you if you are trying to fly with no insurance on your ship.

However, if you REALLY want LTI, here is how you can do it (but does not work for a game package, just a stand alone ship). Buy now the ship you want and wait until CIG release a new concept sale ship for a cheaper price than yours, like the Reliant or the Archimedes-72 were very cheap (50 and 30 bucks respectively). Concept ship comes with LTI, then use the upgrade ship system in the shop to go from your cheap lti ship to what ypu want, it will keep the LTI on it and doooone!

Well, that makes ships a lot harder to loose. I guess it is very hard to compare this to eve, since you cant buy ships from corporations (npc) and everything is produced by players in the game, where as SC is going to have all ships available in station for in game credits.

Erillion

SC also allows players to manufacture anything up to ships. See the SC design notes on economy.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/13128-The-Star-Citizen-Economy


Have fun 

sgel

Erillion said:

SC also allows players to manufacture anything up to ships. See the SC design notes on economy.

You mean it plans to allow to. It currently doesn't allow you anything even remotely like that.

Yakuto

sgel said:

Erillion said:

SC also allows players to manufacture anything up to ships. See the SC design notes on economy.

You mean it plans to allow to. It currently doesn't allow you anything even remotely like that.

Chuckles. Ambitious project for sure. Honestly if they even deliver half of what they are hoping to, I think ill be mostly satisfied. If the persistent universe never happens (since I have spent so little) and the single player 42 was as stellar as the old wing commander games, well I wouldn't feel bad about the 75 I spent for the game.

Slapshot1188

Yakuto said:

. If the persistent universe never happens (since I have spent so little) and the single player 42 was as stellar as the old wing commander games, well I wouldn't feel bad about the 75 I spent for the game.

That's my take as well!