Like I said they're not the same systems. I was just saying both are hybrid neither is all one way or the other.
I would have to disagree with that.
Based on two points.
1. in the history of Elder Scrolls the skill based approach is nearly a sacred canon that has a long history of not being thought of as a 'hybrid' but rather something distinctly different.
2. embedding a skill based feature into a game aspect that is far from its focus and often completely and totally overlooked by most players is not really 'a hybrid'
Elder scrolls games have levels and also have leveling up of skills = hybrid.
ESO is the mmo that feels most like a single player elder scrolls game, not only in terms of the lore and world but in how the game systems are constructed.
Just because Elder scrolls games has some level buried deep in its system that nobody pays attention while ESO online has no skill based system at all and to compare those as similar is just asine.
as a point of reference. Morrowind and Skyrim are two of my favorite games of all time. top 10 at least and top 1 and 2 of ALL multiplat games ever. I am a big Elder Scrolls fan and yet there is nothing about ESO that interests me. I havent bought it and I have no interest in doing so.
Do you honestly think its because I dont understand levels?
Elder scrolls is what brought be back into gaming honestly, I didn't enjoy many games at all back then until I played Morrowind. So I don't think fandom has much to do with anything here on this topic (they are my favorite games as well as studio, they're essentially my home team :P I know folks who work there, maryland pride and all that jazz).
To say it's buried deep down is a bit disingenuous IMO. It's right there on your character page :P... And to say ESO has "no skill based system at all", again you're being disingenuous.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Elder scrolls is what brought be back into gaming honestly, I didn't enjoy many games at all back then until I played Morrowind. So I don't think fandom has much to do with anything here on this topic (they are my favorite games as well as studio, they're essentially my home team :P I know folks who work there, maryland pride and all that jazz).
To say it's buried deep down is a bit disingenuous IMO. It's right there on your character page :P... And to say ESO has "no skill based system at all", again you're being disingenuous.
really?
so tell me what is the skill list in ESO.
and please answer me this quesiton
Why do you think although I am a huge fan of ES (and yes 'fandom' matters in my point) and I often thought that the perfect game ever could be ESO online and yet as soon as I heard about it I was instantly turned off and never looked back.
Is it because I am just stupid and I misunderstood the game description?
really?
Thrid question: How is it possible for me to have played my favorite games Morrowind and Skyrim for hunderns of hours and never have any clue whatsoever what my 'level' was?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Like I said they're not the same systems. I was just saying both are hybrid neither is all one way or the other.
I would have to disagree with that.
Based on two points.
1. in the history of Elder Scrolls the skill based approach is nearly a sacred canon that has a long history of not being thought of as a 'hybrid' but rather something distinctly different.
2. embedding a skill based feature into a game aspect that is far from its focus and often completely and totally overlooked by most players is not really 'a hybrid'
Elder scrolls games have levels and also have leveling up of skills = hybrid.
ESO is the mmo that feels most like a single player elder scrolls game, not only in terms of the lore and world but in how the game systems are constructed.
Just because Elder scrolls games has some level buried deep in its system that nobody pays attention while ESO online has no skill based system at all and to compare those as similar is just asine.
as a point of reference. Morrowind and Skyrim are two of my favorite games of all time. top 10 at least and top 1 and 2 of ALL multiplat games ever. I am a big Elder Scrolls fan and yet there is nothing about ESO that interests me. I havent bought it and I have no interest in doing so.
Do you honestly think its because I dont understand levels?
oh and putting classes and making it a large focus in an Elder Scrolls game is like putting a striper pole in a church and calling it 'close enough'
Levels are hardly "buried" in Skyrim, the whole game revolves around leveling and leveling skills. Indeed the game scales to character level.
Compared to other mmos, ESO's leveling system is similar to other elder scrolls games. For example, you get better at fighting with a weapon by using it, or improve a skill's effectiveness by using it.
Even the class system is quite open, especially compared to many other mmos. The classes in ESO really give more of a flavor- you can use any weapon or armor and have access to many other skills no matter what class you choose. Personally I would prefer no classes, but I wouldn't write the whole game off just because they went with something a bit different.
Levels are hardly "buried" in Skyrim, the whole game revolves around leveling and leveling skills. Indeed the game scales to character level.
Compared to other mmos, ESO's leveling system is similar to other elder scrolls games. For example, you get better at fighting with a weapon by using it, or improve a skill's effectiveness by using it.
Even the class system is quite open, especially compared to many other mmos. The classes in ESO really give more of a flavor- you can use any weapon or armor and have access to many other skills no matter what class you choose. Personally I would prefer no classes, but I wouldn't write the whole game off just because they went with something a bit different.
yes...leveling SKILLS
that is what is refered to as a 'skill based system' a 'level based system' does not have skills it has levels for your entire character and I personally do not recall either of those games having it which leads me to believe it was NOT integral to the game play decisions.
Bottom line here is that you seem to suggest I have a MASSIVE and LARGE misunderstanding of how ESO works which lead me to be completely uninterested in that title despite my fandom of ES.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Elder scrolls is what brought be back into gaming honestly, I didn't enjoy many games at all back then until I played Morrowind. So I don't think fandom has much to do with anything here on this topic (they are my favorite games as well as studio, they're essentially my home team :P I know folks who work there, maryland pride and all that jazz).
To say it's buried deep down is a bit disingenuous IMO. It's right there on your character page :P... And to say ESO has "no skill based system at all", again you're being disingenuous.
really?
so tell me what is the skill list in ESO.
and please answer me this quesiton
Why do you think although I am a huge fan of ES (and yes 'fandom' matters in my point) and I often thought that the perfect game ever could be ESO online and yet as soon as I heard about it I was instantly turned off and never looked back.
Is it because I am just stupid and I misunderstood the game description?
really?
Thrid question: How is it possible for me to have played my favorite games Morrowind and Skyrim for hunderns of hours and never have any clue whatsoever what my 'level' was?
I don't think much of it to be honest, it didn't appeal to you, why that is I have no idea.
As for you not thinking in terms of levels, again I have no idea, I could guess ( maybe you were distracted by focusing on skill leveling).
WHy do I know there are levels if they're hidden :P?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Levels are hardly "buried" in Skyrim, the whole game revolves around leveling and leveling skills. Indeed the game scales to character level.
Compared to other mmos, ESO's leveling system is similar to other elder scrolls games. For example, you get better at fighting with a weapon by using it, or improve a skill's effectiveness by using it.
Even the class system is quite open, especially compared to many other mmos. The classes in ESO really give more of a flavor- you can use any weapon or armor and have access to many other skills no matter what class you choose. Personally I would prefer no classes, but I wouldn't write the whole game off just because they went with something a bit different.
yes...leveling SKILLS
that is what is refered to as a 'skill based system' a 'level based system' does not have skills it has levels for your entire character and I personally do not recall either of those games having it which leads me to believe it was NOT integral to the game play decisions.
Bottom line here is that you seem to suggest I have a MASSIVE and LARGE misunderstanding of how ESO works which lead me to be completely uninterested in that title despite my fandom of ES.
I have no idea of your understanding of ESO and no interest in whether you like it or not.
I have no idea of your understanding of ESO and no interest in whether you like it or not.
I would suggest you ponder it.
here is a guy who adores the ES series but as soon as he heard the details of ESO he went ballastic and had no desire to play it. According to you the games are remarkably similar which leaves this guy completely insane.
whateverz.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The OPs question was: buy ESO for c. $20 or re-sub to WoW for a month for $15.
Guess all the people saying how bad ESO is must be suggesting you sub to WoW!
Is ESO for everyone? No. Is ESO perfect? No. Should ZoS have released the PC version with the bugs they knew it had? Absolutely expletive not - and companies that do rightfully reap what they sow.
If the OP question was buy WoW or buy ESO ..... different question. If the question was: thinking about a re-sub to WoW or buying ESO are there any other options ..... it wasn't.
Is ESO so bad a game that the OP should instead re-subscribe to WoW for a month having already left more than once? Really?
The OPs question was: buy ESO for c. $20 or re-sub to WoW for a month for $15.
Guess all the people saying how bad ESO is must be suggesting you sub to WoW!
Is ESO for everyone? No. Is ESO perfect? No. Should ZoS have released the PC version with the bugs they knew it had? Absolutely expletive not - and companies that do rightfully reap what they sow.
If the OP question was buy WoW or buy ESO ..... different question. If the question was: thinking about a re-sub to WoW or buying ESO are there any other options ..... it wasn't.
Is ESO so bad a game that the OP should re-subscribe to WoW for a month having already left more than once? Really?
If one wants a ES experience I would suggest Fallen Earth, Darkfall 1 (which isnt possible anymore ) or maybe Wurm although Wurm is a skill based system it offers a ton more than any ES game ever did so its not exactly a good match but its close in intent i think
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The OPs question was: buy ESO for c. $20 or re-sub to WoW for a month for $15.
Guess all the people saying how bad ESO is must be suggesting you sub to WoW!
Is ESO for everyone? No. Is ESO perfect? No. Should ZoS have released the PC version with the bugs they knew it had? Absolutely expletive not - and companies that do rightfully reap what they sow.
If the OP question was buy WoW or buy ESO ..... different question. If the question was: thinking about a re-sub to WoW or buying ESO are there any other options ..... it wasn't.
Is ESO so bad a game that the OP should re-subscribe to WoW for a month having already left more than once? Really?
If one wants a ES experience I would suggest Fallen Earth, Darkfall 1 (which isnt possible anymore ) or maybe Wurm although Wurm is a skill based system it offers a ton more than any ES game ever did so its not exactly a good match but its close in intent i think
Let me get this straight ....
You never played ESO. Watched some Youtube, read some reviews, but never actually played it.
Yet here you are sharing opinion on something you have no first hand experience with ?
Then you go so far as to compare ES experience to be better in second rate F2P MMO-s ?
I see how you`r opinion is based on facts and experience ....
Im holding out for f2p on this one....They will hit a point where sales dry up, the player base starts to leave, and they need a new influx of players.
Fallen Earth is a great F2P game.
just FYI, which ironically is more true to the elder scrolls skill/no class model...ha!
terrible advice, that game is straight trash.
the hate in this thread is kind of funny, a lot of misinformation by people who obviously have not played since beta. keep on fighting the good fight lol
The problem with the game was a failed release because of major bugs and bots. I also believe the megaserver was a bad idea. They should of had pvp/pve/pvp rp/pve rp servers. Also this game was made for roleplaying, yet the people in charge of ESO turned their backs on these players and would not help them at all when the anti-rp goons hit. Believe it or not they lost a lot of players because of this.
Not leveling with the PC/MAC crowd also hurt them. You don't allow gamers that believe you actually are fixing the game and tell them the game will never go F2P. That you would rather close the game down than go F2P. Granted they went B2P but also never told us they were working on consoles when they lead us to believe they were working on bugs and the #1 issue lag.
Now we are at the crown store is more important than fixing major issues still in game. Yet after all that I still believe this game has so much potential. So in my opinion I believe the game has one chance (yeah I don't believe their player numbers are that high). They need to make major changes from the top on down.
Yep still sub and yep still hope they make the changes they need to do.
I would recommend it for sure. Even if you get to endgame and don't care for it, at least along the way you played an elder scrolls game and you got to do it with other people Personally I really enjoy it.
In your situation OP you should probably give ESO a shot. I personally find the game exceedingly boring, as I do not like questing. If you don't mind questing, all the time, give it a shot.
Im holding out for f2p on this one....They will hit a point where sales dry up, the player base starts to leave, and they need a new influx of players.
ESO is actually a perfectly disguised P2P game. Or call it a hybrid B2P/P2P game whatever really. The sales can dry, but it won't matter because the DLCs just keep coming (80$ worth of them every year), and the crown store offerings are also of a very high quality.
There is a reason why ESO+ (ESO's Optional Subscription ) has been a top-selling Addon on PS4 for 8 months straight. It wouldn't surprise me if ESO is easily 2nd MMO by subscription numbers. Well it easily outsold FFXIV on pretty much all platforms, so that shouldn't come as a big surprise.
The OPs question was: buy ESO for c. $20 or re-sub to WoW for a month for $15.
Guess all the people saying how bad ESO is must be suggesting you sub to WoW!
Is ESO for everyone? No. Is ESO perfect? No. Should ZoS have released the PC version with the bugs they knew it had? Absolutely expletive not - and companies that do rightfully reap what they sow.
If the OP question was buy WoW or buy ESO ..... different question. If the question was: thinking about a re-sub to WoW or buying ESO are there any other options ..... it wasn't.
Is ESO so bad a game that the OP should instead re-subscribe to WoW for a month having already left more than once? Really?
In the end, it is really up to the OP. If he is burnt out on MMORPGs, as many people are at this point... ESO is not really going to change that.
ESO merges some of the worst parts of WoW (heavy instancing, focus on quick instances runs and instanced raids), and merges them with some of the worst parts of EQ (XP Grind for VR Levels, Champion Points) and FPS games (Clunky PC controls); bolts on a "let's make everyone happy" lazy archetype system (every class can be every role) and kind of eschews multi-player for a decent amount of the game (game feels predominantly single-player).
I find it odd that so many people desperately try to defend this game by comparing it favorably to WoW, when in reality it is very similar to WoW. WoW just has way more players and content, more classes with more diverse play styles, and a lot more content.
Also, $20 for ESO is laughably inaccurate since you're going to at least want a mount (otherwise have fun running across the world and back at molasses speed, their quest design is absolutely horrendous) and that costs the difference between Digital and Imperial Edition. The DLC also is going to cost you about a ton if you don't subscribe. If you do subscribe, you are paying the same price as WoW. If you subscribe for the free Crowns for later, you're basically paying double for them...
The OPs question was: buy ESO for c. $20 or re-sub to WoW for a month for $15.
Guess all the people saying how bad ESO is must be suggesting you sub to WoW!
Is ESO for everyone? No. Is ESO perfect? No. Should ZoS have released the PC version with the bugs they knew it had? Absolutely expletive not - and companies that do rightfully reap what they sow.
If the OP question was buy WoW or buy ESO ..... different question. If the question was: thinking about a re-sub to WoW or buying ESO are there any other options ..... it wasn't.
Is ESO so bad a game that the OP should re-subscribe to WoW for a month having already left more than once? Really?
If one wants a ES experience I would suggest Fallen Earth, Darkfall 1 (which isnt possible anymore ) or maybe Wurm although Wurm is a skill based system it offers a ton more than any ES game ever did so its not exactly a good match but its close in intent i think
Not to subvert the topic, but for what its worth, Darkfall 1 rights were sold(?) and are being re-released by two different companies each with their own vision: Darkfall: Rise of Agon and Darkfall: New Dawn.
We need to start thinking of MMO's as we do music or literature or the movies. There is not one MMO or one game that will be universally satisfactory to everyone's taste. MMO's don't come in one genre just as books or music doesn't come in one genre. Change and innovation is a good thing in the MMO industry just as it is in literature and music, but every MMO doesn't need to push the envelope or be cutting edge to be "good" or fun. It just needs to be good. The same is true for music. The same is true for books or for movies. Music evolves. MMO's evolve. Storytelling evolves. And in doing so, it doesn't make obsolete or not enjoyable everything that's been done before.
I'm guessing the ESO didn't end up like Skyrim Online like many had hoped
Some expected Skyrim Online; some didn't; some expected an Elder Scrolls game online. Some feel they got Skyrim Online; some an Elder Scrolls game online. Some just feel they got a good game.
It's one of the best MMORPG's out right now. It's the cream of the crop.
WoW, GW2, Black Desert, FF14 - it's on the same level as all these. ESO has its own strengths and weaknesses, but it's certainly worth the money. Just the shear size of the world is worth $40 bucks.
as a point of reference. Morrowind and Skyrim are two of my favorite games of all time. top 10 at least and top 1 and 2 of ALL multiplat games ever. I am a big Elder Scrolls fan and yet there is nothing about ESO that interests me. I havent bought it and I have no interest in doing so.
Same here, I am still modding Balmorra in old Morrowind, as well as modding Skyrim. LOVE the games.
ESO did not feel like Elder Scrolls to me, other then the UI (a bit).
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
It's quite excellent, if you can get past the fact that just like any other game with build/weapon/skill freedom there's a constant rotation of skills that are abused/exploited into a meta use and makes for homogenized boring builds. Other than min/max it is actually quite an open game, you can complete nearly every bit of PvE with any build, it's again only when min/max becomes a thing that it becomes boring/pointless to have the open skill system.
It's the only game I've played since FFXI to have a continual progression system as well through the Champion system. Also, its ES so the quests are good, if a bit repetitive (After you hit level 50 you do the equivalent zones in the other two alliances, can get boring). You can always break it up with PvP, Craglorn, one of the DLC zones, etc. The crafting is interesting, typical menu-based (sorry, nothing ffxiv awesome in that regard) but the trait and research system is very intriguing. Overall I've been playing for 3 months and im still not v16 (current cap) and I love that. I'm gaining levels, gaining champion points, researching traits, etc etc and all after I've hit the first or "soft" cap.
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To say it's buried deep down is a bit disingenuous IMO. It's right there on your character page :P...
And to say ESO has "no skill based system at all", again you're being disingenuous.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
so tell me what is the skill list in ESO.
and please answer me this quesiton
Why do you think although I am a huge fan of ES (and yes 'fandom' matters in my point) and I often thought that the perfect game ever could be ESO online and yet as soon as I heard about it I was instantly turned off and never looked back.
Is it because I am just stupid and I misunderstood the game description?
really?
Thrid question: How is it possible for me to have played my favorite games Morrowind and Skyrim for hunderns of hours and never have any clue whatsoever what my 'level' was?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Compared to other mmos, ESO's leveling system is similar to other elder scrolls games. For example, you get better at fighting with a weapon by using it, or improve a skill's effectiveness by using it.
Even the class system is quite open, especially compared to many other mmos. The classes in ESO really give more of a flavor- you can use any weapon or armor and have access to many other skills no matter what class you choose. Personally I would prefer no classes, but I wouldn't write the whole game off just because they went with something a bit different.
that is what is refered to as a 'skill based system' a 'level based system' does not have skills it has levels for your entire character and I personally do not recall either of those games having it which leads me to believe it was NOT integral to the game play decisions.
Bottom line here is that you seem to suggest I have a MASSIVE and LARGE misunderstanding of how ESO works which lead me to be completely uninterested in that title despite my fandom of ES.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
As for you not thinking in terms of levels, again I have no idea, I could guess ( maybe you were distracted by focusing on skill leveling).
WHy do I know there are levels if they're hidden :P?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I have no idea of your understanding of ESO and no interest in whether you like it or not.
here is a guy who adores the ES series but as soon as he heard the details of ESO he went ballastic and had no desire to play it. According to you the games are remarkably similar which leaves this guy completely insane.
whateverz.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Guess all the people saying how bad ESO is must be suggesting you sub to WoW!
Is ESO for everyone? No. Is ESO perfect? No. Should ZoS have released the PC version with the bugs they knew it had? Absolutely expletive not - and companies that do rightfully reap what they sow.
If the OP question was buy WoW or buy ESO ..... different question. If the question was: thinking about a re-sub to WoW or buying ESO are there any other options ..... it wasn't.
Is ESO so bad a game that the OP should instead re-subscribe to WoW for a month having already left more than once? Really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Let me get this straight ....
You never played ESO.
Watched some Youtube, read some reviews, but never actually played it.
Yet here you are sharing opinion on something you have no first hand experience with ?
Then you go so far as to compare ES experience to be better in second rate F2P MMO-s ?
I see how you`r opinion is based on facts and experience ....
the hate in this thread is kind of funny, a lot of misinformation by people who obviously have not played since beta. keep on fighting the good fight lol
The problem with the game was a failed release because of major bugs and bots. I also believe the megaserver was a bad idea. They should of had pvp/pve/pvp rp/pve rp servers. Also this game was made for roleplaying, yet the people in charge of ESO turned their backs on these players and would not help them at all when the anti-rp goons hit. Believe it or not they lost a lot of players because of this.
Not leveling with the PC/MAC crowd also hurt them. You don't allow gamers that believe you actually are fixing the game and tell them the game will never go F2P. That you would rather close the game down than go F2P. Granted they went B2P but also never told us they were working on consoles when they lead us to believe they were working on bugs and the #1 issue lag.
Now we are at the crown store is more important than fixing major issues still in game. Yet after all that I still believe this game has so much potential. So in my opinion I believe the game has one chance (yeah I don't believe their player numbers are that high). They need to make major changes from the top on down.
Yep still sub and yep still hope they make the changes they need to do.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I would recommend it for sure. Even if you get to endgame and don't care for it, at least along the way you played an elder scrolls game and you got to do it with other people
Personally I really enjoy it.
There is a reason why ESO+ (ESO's Optional Subscription ) has been a top-selling Addon on PS4 for 8 months straight. It wouldn't surprise me if ESO is easily 2nd MMO by subscription numbers. Well it easily outsold FFXIV on pretty much all platforms, so that shouldn't come as a big surprise.
ESO merges some of the worst parts of WoW (heavy instancing, focus on quick instances runs and instanced raids), and merges them with some of the worst parts of EQ (XP Grind for VR Levels, Champion Points) and FPS games (Clunky PC controls); bolts on a "let's make everyone happy" lazy archetype system (every class can be every role) and kind of eschews multi-player for a decent amount of the game (game feels predominantly single-player).
I find it odd that so many people desperately try to defend this game by comparing it favorably to WoW, when in reality it is very similar to WoW. WoW just has way more players and content, more classes with more diverse play styles, and a lot more content.
Also, $20 for ESO is laughably inaccurate since you're going to at least want a mount (otherwise have fun running across the world and back at molasses speed, their quest design is absolutely horrendous) and that costs the difference between Digital and Imperial Edition. The DLC also is going to cost you about a ton if you don't subscribe. If you do subscribe, you are paying the same price as WoW. If you subscribe for the free Crowns for later, you're basically paying double for them...
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
WoW, GW2, Black Desert, FF14 - it's on the same level as all these. ESO has its own strengths and weaknesses, but it's certainly worth the money. Just the shear size of the world is worth $40 bucks.
Same here, I am still modding Balmorra in old Morrowind, as well as modding Skyrim. LOVE the games.
ESO did not feel like Elder Scrolls to me, other then the UI (a bit).
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Other than min/max it is actually quite an open game, you can complete nearly every bit of PvE with any build, it's again only when min/max becomes a thing that it becomes boring/pointless to have the open skill system.
It's the only game I've played since FFXI to have a continual progression system as well through the Champion system.
Also, its ES so the quests are good, if a bit repetitive (After you hit level 50 you do the equivalent zones in the other two alliances, can get boring). You can always break it up with PvP, Craglorn, one of the DLC zones, etc.
The crafting is interesting, typical menu-based (sorry, nothing ffxiv awesome in that regard) but the trait and research system is very intriguing. Overall I've been playing for 3 months and im still not v16 (current cap) and I love that. I'm gaining levels, gaining champion points, researching traits, etc etc and all after I've hit the first or "soft" cap.