I really don't understand why some people are getting so out of joint about a technology that will have zero effect on them unless they buy the product.
If you are not going to buy the product what does it matter the price?
If you are not going to use the product why question if it will work or become popular?
The first person who used a phone...who did they call?
You start with the people that CAN afford it and CAN use it and eventually price and availability will improve IF the product is viable depending on market forces, competition, demand and support.
Yeah defo agree, that why I posted the specs. Those who like getting the latest bits of tech will get it regardless of price or whats currently out for it.
Still cheaper than a proper TV and in the same range as a quality monitor. What's the problem?
$599 Is not the only problem. Most computers cant handle what this VR headset needs. Low end PC that can handle it is $1000 US but if you really want to get the most out of the headset. Your looking at $1500 to $2000 US for the PC and the headset is another $599. For me being a Canadian, thats just to get in the door is 2k, best case for optimal use $2500-3000. The headset alone for a Canadian is $844 before tax and shipping
I really don't understand why some people are getting so out of joint about a technology that will have zero effect on them unless they buy the product.
If you are not going to buy the product what does it matter the price?
If you are not going to use the product why question if it will work or become popular?
Well, I particularly am a bit out of sorts because you're trying to convince me I don't know what I'm saying or thinking for my own personal interest like you're some jerk used car salesman. I try to give valid examples, take the time to rationally explain perspective and my experience, and you still try to dismiss my side as if I'm some 20 year-old douche in a group home who won't buy your snake oil.
Yeah defo agree, that why I posted the specs. Those who like getting the latest bits of tech will get it regardless of price or whats currently out for it.
I would have no problem being able to use it but I am never really an early adopter although it does intrigue me and I would really like to test it to see just how good it is.
But as I mentioned above it really boggles my mind when people nay say something despite it having no effect on them. A part of me thinks it is just jealousy against people that can afford to be early adopters but who knows.
Whatever the reason, all I know is everyone I have heard speak about it is pretty praiseworthy so I am sure it will do well.
Yup, like I thought, you have no idea what you're talking about, because you have not experienced VR.
Enhanced depth perception is just one of the features of VR, it's not the only one or even the most important.
Nevermind, you seem very comfortable in your illusion of intellectual superiority, I'll leave you be then...
This is like saying, "How do you know you don't like eating offal? Have you ever eaten offal? See, clearly, if you've never eaten offal, you don't know about this you're speaking.". Or I suppose the same could be argued with various sexual alignments, but I won't press that issue. How about fashion? "Have you ever tried dressing in women's clothes to hang out with your friends at a sports pub, Spotty? You don't think you'd enjoy high heels and lipstick with all these drunk, celebratory men around? How do you know, have you tried it?".
Your argument sucks, and if you understood "masked man fallacy", you'd understand why your argument sucks.
Unlike you, my world view is not filled with prejudice and fear of new things.
That's why I can speak from experience when I talk about VR, whereas you are parroting what you read about other people's impressions and their opinions.
Just try a VR demo, then at least you can speak from experience too, instead of clinging to your preconceived notions...
PS: There are many tasty ways to prepare various kinds of offal, some of which I've had the pleasure of tasting, and would gladly eat again at any time.
Unlike you, my world view is not filled with prejudice and fear of new things.
Not even part of the argument.
Also, converse to your earlier statement, for being someone supposedly so disinterested in acquiring this "new revolutionary technology" with immediacy, you seem particularly involved in encouraging everyone to try it, before they make up their minds.
But it's just the principle of the thing, right? Against any polite reason, you're a hold-out of idealism, because that's just the kind of great guy you are.
creepy.
edit: aaaand I'm tired and got replies of 2 different users conflated. Time for bed.
Depends on who is running the show. Watch secrets of super brands the episode about Sony and bluray. And I have a feeling that they are going to do the same with Morpheus.
I won't be buying OR not because of its price. Getting crowdfunded then selling out to Facebook was a bye bye for me.
Gaming Rocks next gen. community for last gen. gamers launching soon.
Still cheaper than a proper TV and in the same range as a quality monitor. What's the problem?
I'll tell you.
TV and Monitors have mass support, they are a proven technology.
VR is not, people spending $600 are taking a huge leap of faith. And it's possible they just wasted $600.
The first tv was $600, in 1939. That's $9,773 today. Spending $600 on an entertainment product that is guaranteed to give you a few months/years of fun regardless of future traction is hardly a "huge leap of faith". That's what people spend on mobile phones for their 8 year old kids.
You start with the people that CAN afford it and CAN use it and eventually price and availability will improve
VR gets one shot this year.
If it fails in 2016, it's over until someone tries it again in 2026.
It's not some gradual process.
Software developers and game developers aren't going to spend billions in development just to cater to a niche market.
This tells me 3 things.
1 Your experience in business development, especially technology, must be close to zero. (Development of a new technology IS a gradual process the same as most products).
2 Your understanding of how investors and R&D budgets work is also close to zero. (most development budgets are spent on failed designs and getting the initial idea/prototype to a point where it can be introduced into the marketplace).
3 You have close to zero understanding of how marketing and sales works. (ANY new product is niche at conception till you develop a marketing plan to target people who 'might' be persuaded to try the new product out. Even established products require the same process. Just because you are making a new pizza doesn't mean you won't have to sell it to all those guys buying Domino's).
Unlike you, my world view is not filled with prejudice and fear of new things.
That's why I can speak from experience when I talk about VR, whereas you are parroting what you read about other people's impressions and their opinions.
Just try a VR demo, then at least you can speak from experience too, instead of clinging to your preconceived notions...
PS: There are many tasty ways to prepare various kinds of offal, some of which I've had the pleasure of tasting, and would gladly eat again at any time.
I still really don't think any of that lifts this implementation above the novelty variety at this point. While it may heighten visual immersion; that is no more important than a slightly higher poly-count in my eyes. It's a pure visual sensation, it doesn't improve the fundamental core of game-play, hence the price point makes it even more unappealing than it was to begin with (to me anyway).
TBH I view the hardcore flight sim peripherals to be far more innovative than this is, and they've been around for years.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well I went in on this one ... I agree the price is very first adopter'ish though . But the support for Vr seems to be real this time and the games supporting it seems good as well ..
So yeah the price is steep but the damn thing is selling fast. I did not make the march quota so I have to wait until April
LOL I mist have forgotten to buy my VR set back in the good old days when everyone was using it...
And you didn't why? Because VR failed.
In fact VR has failed just as many times as stereoscopic 3D has.
The similarities between VR and 3D market failures are shocking.
OK keep thinking VR now is exactly the same is it has always been and nothing new is happening.
Nothing new is happening. There's not a mind-machine interface. There's not even some technical aspect that "tricks the brain" into some sensory illusion of "actually being there". It's a monitor you wear on your face. Touch your nose to the screen you're reading right now, with a blanket over your head. Voila, virtual reality.
Very incorrect.
If you are dying to deconstruct this device, you may call it an "orientation-position sensitive stereoscopic display with integrated audio and controls", but that still isn't telling you what the device "does".
Trying my best not to ad hom here, but your statement really shows a gross lack of understanding. If you kind of want to sort of get a vague idea of 'what it's like', try watching this video doing the "magic eye" thing (probably still missing much of the full effect - the frame rate on the example video is bad), but "nose to the screen"... just... no.
If you recall the last decade ("the aughts"), devices intended to accomplish what the Oculus does were available, however:
-The latency was bad (even more motion-sickness inducing than they might be now)
-The field of view was far narrower
-They were prohibitively expensive ($1000 - $2000 range)
Even so I spent many an hour imagining what it must be like to play my favorite games would they have supported these; toying with the idea of purchasing one of these devices and developing for VR myself if I had that kind of time and disposable income.
$600 is very reasonable, if out of range for many that aren't so-called "enthusiasts". If this is too much and you still want to experience VR, just get a Galaxy 4 and a Samsung Gear VR (it will run you more altogether, but at least you are getting a phone out of the deal).
To me, it's a huge encouragement to see devices that used to be one or two grand or more come down in price to 600 USD. Hate to sound ageist, but those gasping at the price are probably millennials that don't remember what a stereoscopic head-mounted, head-tracking device used to run and was able to accomplish.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
I am sorry this price tag dosent fit a walmart employee's budget, but as it is a high end piece of entertainment, for now... it is probably correctly priced IF YOU WANT ONE!
That's $599 for one person. Forget the price when you start thinking of families that game.
Why would any home need more the 1 TV!!!!!
Really? My whole family can gather around 1 TV. Have 2 or 3 kids that all want to play VR, its one at a time and fights or you need to by more then one headset.
Unlike you, my world view is not filled with prejudice and fear of new things.
Not even part of the argument.
Also, converse to your earlier statement, for being someone supposedly so disinterested in acquiring this "new revolutionary technology" with immediacy, you seem particularly involved in encouraging everyone to try it, before they make up their minds.
But it's just the principle of the thing, right? Against any polite reason, you're a hold-out of idealism, because that's just the kind of great guy you are.
creepy.
edit: aaaand I'm tired and got replies of 2 different users conflated. Time for bed.
Obviously you were getting tired, your reasoning was all over the place.
Fear and prejudice is very common, your earlier examples of eating offal or cross-dressing in a public place are good examples of that.
I've seen people eat certain foods with great enjoyment, only to turn green when told what was in the dish they'd just eaten. Their prejudice overrode their tastebuds.
As for the cross-dressing example, that was so far off-topic that it's better not examined too closely.
I'm not buying a VR set now because I don't believe the value for money is sufficient yet, and I can't financially afford to be an "early adopter" of anything, lol. But I firmly believe it will be in a year or two.
That's $599 for one person. Forget the price when you start thinking of families that game.
Why would any home need more the 1 TV!!!!!
Really? My whole family can gather around 1 TV. Have 2 or 3 kids that all want to play VR, its one at a time and fights or you need to by more then one headset.
1 TV = 1 TV channel.
Have 2 or 3 kids that all want to watch different channels, it's 1 at a time or you need to buy more then 1 TV.....
My point was lost though. People get angry when confronted with new stuff and take the attitude that "I just can't fathom it so it must be wrong/false/not work" (see Bill O'reilly from Fox news for great examples of this sort of stuff).
When TV's came out no one could imagine needing more them 1 TV let alone the first....radio was just fine.
Cars....bah I have my horse to get around, they are just a fad.
Flying is impossible. If man were meant to fly he would have wings...
So yes, people could never see the need for more then 1 TV back when it came out....but it still came out and now look at it!. You can even have TV on your phone
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If you are not going to buy the product what does it matter the price?
If you are not going to use the product why question if it will work or become popular?
MAGA
But as I mentioned above it really boggles my mind when people nay say something despite it having no effect on them. A part of me thinks it is just jealousy against people that can afford to be early adopters but who knows.
Whatever the reason, all I know is everyone I have heard speak about it is pretty praiseworthy so I am sure it will do well.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That's why I can speak from experience when I talk about VR, whereas you are parroting what you read about other people's impressions and their opinions.
Just try a VR demo, then at least you can speak from experience too, instead of clinging to your preconceived notions...
PS: There are many tasty ways to prepare various kinds of offal, some of which I've had the pleasure of tasting, and would gladly eat again at any time.
If it fails in 2016, it's over until someone tries it again in 2026.
It's not some gradual process.
Software developers and game developers aren't going to spend billions in development just to cater to a niche market.
Also, converse to your earlier statement, for being someone supposedly so disinterested in acquiring this "new revolutionary technology" with immediacy, you seem particularly involved in encouraging everyone to try it, before they make up their minds.
But it's just the principle of the thing, right? Against any polite reason, you're a hold-out of idealism, because that's just the kind of great guy you are.
creepy.
edit: aaaand I'm tired and got replies of 2 different users conflated. Time for bed.
You think Mark Zuckerberg will just give up immediately on his $2billion investment ?
Think again...
TV and Monitors have mass support, they are a proven technology.
VR is not, people spending $600 are taking a huge leap of faith. And it's possible they just wasted $600.
I won't be buying OR not because of its price. Getting crowdfunded then selling out to Facebook was a bye bye for me.
I think it's a reasonable price.
This tells me 3 things.
1 Your experience in business development, especially technology, must be close to zero. (Development of a new technology IS a gradual process the same as most products).
2 Your understanding of how investors and R&D budgets work is also close to zero. (most development budgets are spent on failed designs and getting the initial idea/prototype to a point where it can be introduced into the marketplace).
3 You have close to zero understanding of how marketing and sales works. (ANY new product is niche at conception till you develop a marketing plan to target people who 'might' be persuaded to try the new product out. Even established products require the same process. Just because you are making a new pizza doesn't mean you won't have to sell it to all those guys buying Domino's).
TBH I view the hardcore flight sim peripherals to be far more innovative than this is, and they've been around for years.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Why would any home need more the 1 TV!!!!!
So yeah the price is steep but the damn thing is selling fast. I did not make the march quota so I have to wait until April
If you are dying to deconstruct this device, you may call it an "orientation-position sensitive stereoscopic display with integrated audio and controls", but that still isn't telling you what the device "does".
Trying my best not to ad hom here, but your statement really shows a gross lack of understanding. If you kind of want to sort of get a vague idea of 'what it's like', try watching this video doing the "magic eye" thing (probably still missing much of the full effect - the frame rate on the example video is bad), but "nose to the screen"... just... no.
If you recall the last decade ("the aughts"), devices intended to accomplish what the Oculus does were available, however:
-The latency was bad (even more motion-sickness inducing than they might be now)
-The field of view was far narrower
-They were prohibitively expensive ($1000 - $2000 range)
Even so I spent many an hour imagining what it must be like to play my favorite games would they have supported these; toying with the idea of purchasing one of these devices and developing for VR myself if I had that kind of time and disposable income.
$600 is very reasonable, if out of range for many that aren't so-called "enthusiasts". If this is too much and you still want to experience VR, just get a Galaxy 4 and a Samsung Gear VR (it will run you more altogether, but at least you are getting a phone out of the deal).
To me, it's a huge encouragement to see devices that used to be one or two grand or more come down in price to 600 USD. Hate to sound ageist, but those gasping at the price are probably millennials that don't remember what a stereoscopic head-mounted, head-tracking device used to run and was able to accomplish.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Fear and prejudice is very common, your earlier examples of eating offal or cross-dressing in a public place are good examples of that.
I've seen people eat certain foods with great enjoyment, only to turn green when told what was in the dish they'd just eaten. Their prejudice overrode their tastebuds.
As for the cross-dressing example, that was so far off-topic that it's better not examined too closely.
I'm not buying a VR set now because I don't believe the value for money is sufficient yet, and I can't financially afford to be an "early adopter" of anything, lol. But I firmly believe it will be in a year or two.
1 TV = 1 TV channel.
Have 2 or 3 kids that all want to watch different channels, it's 1 at a time or you need to buy more then 1 TV.....
My point was lost though. People get angry when confronted with new stuff and take the attitude that "I just can't fathom it so it must be wrong/false/not work" (see Bill O'reilly from Fox news for great examples of this sort of stuff).
When TV's came out no one could imagine needing more them 1 TV let alone the first....radio was just fine.
Cars....bah I have my horse to get around, they are just a fad.
Flying is impossible. If man were meant to fly he would have wings...
So yes, people could never see the need for more then 1 TV back when it came out....but it still came out and now look at it!. You can even have TV on your phone