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Is MMORPG a useful gaming site?

MmoFan2012MmoFan2012 Member UncommonPosts: 23
edited January 2016 in General Gaming
this site is only useful for tracking lists of MMOs. sadly there are many websites now that provide this feature. 

mmorpg surveys, articles, and news are nothing special anymore and have been poor quality for awhile. 

the website layout is in need of update. the section for forum activity should be a tab. the section for game rating should be removed (my guess is that a group of fanbois and/or marketing reps are fixing the numbers). 

please clean up mmorpg before we take it off our favorites list.
 

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    No

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,353
    This website along with one or two others provide the best coverage on new games. They aren't always MMOs but the landscape of online games is changing these days. Sounds like you are burnt out or living in the past...but, I agree in the past there were some awesome games that the like of which don't exist now. It's not for better or worse but it's just different like I said.
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  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    What makes you an expert with 14 posts ?
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  • danwest58danwest58 Member RarePosts: 2,012
    Well I would go one step farther and say no MMO RPG gaming sites are useful anymore.  There is too much money being thrown at these sites for obviously paid reviews.  I would rather have friends that get me into an MMO or I pull them into an MMO that I like vs players reading reviews that per bought and paid for by the publishers about games that are complete crap.  This is what not only the MMO Genera is crap but the Gaming industry is complete crap.  I remember a time when I just read what a game was, bought the game and decided for myself but today its how great this game is and what features it has like another game then you go play it and the game is complete crap.  I am not talking about trying to get a FPS person to play an MMO, or a casual Farmville gamer to play my flight sim.  I am talking about over rating the game for Day 1 sales and then moving on to something else.  
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. How do you expect a site to provide what you are looking for when it doesn't even exist they way it used to?
  • carotidcarotid Member UncommonPosts: 425
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. 
    In what way?
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    I think it's a problem with the games myself. They're just not as good as they used to be, but that's just my personal definition of "good". There's a lot of people out there who are quite happy with the standard of games today.

    One problem which I think is common to all sites is that reviews can't be trusted in any way. Slamming a new release or a game in development would be suicide for any site these days. The Publishers would just refuse to deal with them any more and they'd have nothing to report until games released.

    The same thing applies with review embargo's which say you can't put out a review until the day the game releases. You might break it once but you'd never get a chance to do it a second time.

    Honest reviews take second place to profits, sad but that's the world we live in.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    carotid said:
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. 
    In what way?
    Really?

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Given the current state of the MMORPG industry, I'm rather glad that this site has expanded it's coverage to other genres.

    If MMORPG.COM only had wall-to-wall coverage of Korean MMO's, I'd take it off my favourites list immediately.
  • carotidcarotid Member UncommonPosts: 425
    carotid said:
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. 
    In what way?
    Really?

    Really what? Which part of "In what way" is giving you trouble?
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    carotid said:
    carotid said:
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. 
    In what way?
    Really?

    Really what? Which part of "In what way" is giving you trouble?
    The question part....
  • carotidcarotid Member UncommonPosts: 425
    carotid said:
    carotid said:
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. 
    In what way?
    Really?

    Really what? Which part of "In what way" is giving you trouble?
    The question part....
    Read it again and again if you have to. One day it will click :-)
  • Andel_SkaarAndel_Skaar Member UncommonPosts: 401
    this site is only useful for tracking lists of MMOs. sadly there are many websites now that provide this feature. 

    mmorpg surveys, articles, and news are nothing special anymore and have been poor quality for awhile. 

    the website layout is in need of update. the section for forum activity should be a tab. the section for game rating should be removed (my guess is that a group of fanbois and/or marketing reps are fixing the numbers). 

    please clean up mmorpg before we take it off our favorites list.
     

    Although i would accuse you of flaming, it seems you have some good ideas but have taken an agressive approach to force devs to notice several things that could possibly be updated to current website possibilities and trend.

    Layout, menu type, and effects could give a go for some reforms, but it also costs time and money :p

    Content amount and community presence is just about right, and that is the core of the site.

    Still game list rating is kind of shady, since we know not how it is determined, and if players actually influence on it and how. In times like these, rating could mean a world to some titles, and wrong numbers would cause confusion.

  • BillMurphyBillMurphy Former Managing EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 4,565
    edited January 2016
    Game Rating is taken directly from casting your own reviews/hype of each game. I'm surprised more people don't do this. See the "Cast Your Review button here - http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/22/view/ratings

    Now, we do monitor the votes cast and the way scores fluctuate and are weighted. When we see something shady, we step in and actively tell companies that if they try to influence the score or scores of other games, we'll lock voting and remove their score altogether. 

    As for the new site layout, yep. It's coming. On track for early this year. Was hoping for last year, but moving a site this old and full of content to a whole new database and content management system takes time, not to mention the effort put forth in the new design.

    For starters? The mobile site will no longer be total crap, so there's that. Literally everything else about the site is being redesigned as well. It won't look the same, except the logo. Plus you'll be able to pick white or black layouts, it'll have a more readable and parse-able front page where content is king, and there will still be things like the hype meter and forum activity on the front page. It's really shaping up nicely, and I can't wait to show you all. But these things take time.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    edited January 2016



    carotid said:
    carotid said:
    carotid said:
    I disagree. The genre itself is in a state of change right now. 
    In what way?
    Really?

    Really what? Which part of "In what way" is giving you trouble?
    The question part....
    Read it again and again if you have to. One day it will click :-)

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+the+MMORPG+genre+changing
  • heerobyaheerobya Member UncommonPosts: 465
    @BillMurphy ;

    Can't wait!
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    Game Rating is taken directly from casting your own reviews/hype of each game. I'm surprised more people don't do this. See the "Cast Your Review button here - http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/22/view/ratings

    Now, we do monitor the votes cast and the way scores fluctuate and are weighted. When we see something shady, we step in and actively tell companies that if they try to influence the score or scores of other games, we'll lock voting and remove their score altogether. 

    As for the new site layout, yep. It's coming. On track for early this year. Was hoping for last year, but moving a site this old and full of content to a whole new database and content management system takes time, not to mention the effort put forth in the new design.

    For starters? The mobile site will no longer be total crap, so there's that. Literally everything else about the site is being redesigned as well. It won't look the same, except the logo. Plus you'll be able to pick white or black layouts, it'll have a more readable and parse-able front page where content is king, and there will still be things like the hype meter and forum activity on the front page. It's really shaping up nicely, and I can't wait to show you all. But these things take time.
    Problem is the ratings are diminished after the game actually gets to where people can actually play it, or changes are made to the game. Or the numbers just become dated. I just clicked through a bunch of games I have played and the ratings numbers are a joke. Yes they might be opinion but overall opinion cant be 'off' that much.

    EvE for example, the only real complaint about that game (other than the learning curve) is the griefing. Yet its community score is an 8.0, and its graphics score is an 8.8? Really?  So either that rating is extremely dated or falsified. Similar to AoC, which at the time did have the best graphics ever, they still sit at 9.9, while ESO (the game with currently the best graphics and 6 years newer) has a 9.3 graphics rating.

    Hype is hype and to claim it cant be bought or manipulated is disingenuous at best. 

    The site is doing its best in a desert but the point is that if its your actual PROFESSION to do this (and not a side hobby) then you go the extra little bit to go indepth on stuff. Puff pieces and advertising are great ways to make a buck and keep people happy, theyre certainly no way to actually REPORT on the issues going on right now with gaming in general.

    But anyone who visits this site see where some games/developers/studios definitely get treated differently and almost protected, while some worthwhile projects go completely unmentioned.

    Lotro released an expansion in Oct and not one single mention of it was made. The excuse was "they didnt release a press package'. Big F-ing deal. Lotro is a staple right now (for better or worse) of the old MMO guard. To not at least have some scrub intern post a blog about it is a joke. Yes Lotro and turbine are basically coasting along right now and nothing special  is being done, so write that in the article/blog. But the expansion WAS Minas Tirith after all a pretty important area of the story.

    I am sure there are other things that go unmentioned in other games (I dont play,  and I dont play Lotro like I used to either) THAT is where the failures of this site are truly noticeable. But theyre too busy hyping all the other shit that is basically preying on gamers desperation for a new great game to come out they forget to write about stuff that you can actually log into and play if you choose to.
  • thunderclesthundercles Member UncommonPosts: 510
    Ummmmm, where else am i going to watch the Star Citizen soap opera unfold. I need my Erillion/Brentics drama! Will they kill each other!? Will they kiss!!??! The tension is almost unbearable! Turn in next week for more!!!
  • BigRamboBigRambo Member UncommonPosts: 191
     Only thing I agree on with the OP is the rating options,  ratings should be left only to those actually working at / for MMORPG.com, since obviously giving power to anyone to rate a game will bring out abuse of power. Especially when MMORPG.com rates a game 5.5 but "players" rates it 8.5 and when you actually try the "8.5" player rated game, it ends up being a uninstalled pile trash after 2-3 hours of game play.  Besides that, MMORPG.com is one of the best MMO sites out there, they got coverage on MMO's that most  sites in it's kind don't even have. Some minor tweaks here and there, but overall #1B)
  • BajsN3rdBajsN3rd Member UncommonPosts: 41
    Ummmmm, where else am i going to watch the Star Citizen soap opera unfold. I need my Erillion/Brentics drama! Will they kill each other!? Will they kiss!!??! The tension is almost unbearable! Turn in next week for more!!!
    Damn, next week? I got work next week.
  • mokkan88mokkan88 Member CommonPosts: 5
    this site is only useful for tracking lists of MMOs. sadly there are many websites now that provide this feature.
    For me, this was always MMORPG's primary function. I've always (I mean, for nearly a decade) been able to hop on this site to find a quick text-based game to play in my down-time. I like the relative simplicity and consistency.
  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    useful? may be not. But certainly it is a fun place if you like to discuss the age old MMO "issues" such as what is a MMO? instanced vs open world? FFA pvp? Harsh death penalty? ... and one of my favorite ... f2p vs sub-only?
  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    I mainly come here to laugh. 
  • Sassy_Gay_UnicornSassy_Gay_Unicorn Member UncommonPosts: 316
    edited January 2016
    I've been on this site in different incarnations since probably its first month of existence. It has its pluses, its minuses, but like an old friend I enjoy visiting every now and then. Reading between the lines of player complaints and praise gives me a lot of info on whether a new game on my radar is worth the investment of time and money. 

    No site is perfect but I believe the staff here over the years have engaged in this endeavor mainly because they are fans of the genre. I doubt any of them are driving Porsches. 

    Edit: And yes, the drama and nerd fights tickle me. But there are also some very insightful posters I have come to enjoy.
  • cameltosiscameltosis Member LegendaryPosts: 3,847
    Some of the articles are worth reading, mainly the preview / reveal type articles as they keep me informed as to upcoming MMOs. The only other gaming site I regularly read is PC gamer and they hardly ever cover MMOs, so this is the best place for me. If I come across an interesting article about an MMO here, I'll generally follow up by researching that game myself. 


    I would like to see more in depth analysis of MMOs on this site. For example, analysis of game features like best questing design, or different types of raids. The vast majority of people I've ever spoken to about MMOs (and who play mmos) really know very little about the genre beyond the game they are playing. It would be good to explore different options for features in MMOs, e.g. quest hubs vs chains vs random vs gw2 style. 


    What I'd like to see less of is promotion of non-MMO games. I know its probably needed to keep up marketing revenue and the like, but the features and discussions of non-mmos make it harder to find something worthwhile to read. 



    As for the forums, yeh, its mostly just a way to kill time whilst I'm at work. I've been floating about here for 10 years but only really started posting in the last 6 months or so. Its just the same 50-100 people posting the same ideas over and over, nobody giving an inch and nobody really learning anything. Its amusing to see some of the stupidity from some posters.
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